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06-23-2010, 09:12 PM
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OH PLEASE YES!

Hawks can trade up big time, shed salary AND get a prospect.

24th, 25th, 30th YES PLEASE!

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Maybe Gillis will flip Raymond to the Wild for the 9th pick and acquire Versteeg for the 25th + prospect.

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Maybe Gillis will flip Raymond to the Wild for the 9th pick and acquire Versteeg for the 25th + prospect.
the thought of that gave me a hard on

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Maybe Gillis will flip Raymond to the Wild for the 9th pick and acquire Versteeg for the 25th + prospect.
I do not like the idea of trading Raymond within the division; though I'm not opposed to trading him he's still a damn good player.

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Maybe Gillis will flip Raymond to the Wild for the 9th pick and acquire Versteeg for the 25th + prospect.
Thats actually quite clever, Canucks would be in the position to draft Derek Forbort or Brandon Gormley.

Two possible scenarios for comparison sakes:
Raymond - Tinordi
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Forbort-Versteeg

The second choice looks a lot more sexier.

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Maybe Gillis will flip Raymond to the Wild for the 9th pick and acquire Versteeg for the 25th + prospect.
This is the only scenario I could think of.

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Sedin - Sedin - Sameulsson
Burrows - Kesler - Versteeg
Free Agent - Hodgson - Grabner
4th line

Volchenkov - Salo
Edler - Ehrhoff
Rome - Bieksa

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Maybe Gillis will flip Raymond to the Wild for the 9th pick and acquire Versteeg for the 25th + prospect.
I could definitely accept that.

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I was actually just joking with the comment.

Problem is I think it would take more than just Raymond to get the 9th pick. Likely the 25th + Raymond, thus making the Versteeg trade undoable.

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Not happening now. DAMN

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Not happening now. DAMN
It was happening before? And why definitely not now, did he get traded?

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Hopefully Bieksa is traded first - Versteeg made him look like a fool...
Any player with an ounce of skill can make Bieksa look like a fool so thats not saying much.

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Do that for Versteeg and trade Raymond for Minny's 9th?

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Bob McKenzie on Team 1040 – No way Canucks will give up their 25th overall pick for Versteeg, and although the Canucks are very interested in Andrew Ladd, the asking price is too much at the moment. (1st round pick and prospect)

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Bob McKenzie on Team 1040 – No way Canucks will give up their 25th overall pick for Versteeg, and although the Canucks are very interested in Andrew Ladd, the asking price is too much at the moment. (1st round pick and prospect)
I'd move the first and a prospect if we get another pick back with Ladd. Hypothetically Grabner + 25 for Ladd plus 43 or something like that. I really like Ladd, and I'd move a good quality prospect for him, but the picks would have to get us another top 60 pick back or no go for me.

I'd also offersheet him if he makes it to July 1. Gillis obviously isn't going to be friends with Bowman anyway.

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I'd move the first and a prospect if we get another pick back with Ladd. Hypothetically Grabner + 25 for Ladd plus 43 or something like that. I really like Ladd, and I'd move a good quality prospect for him, but the picks would have to get us another top 60 pick back or no go for me.

I'd also offersheet him if he makes it to July 1. Gillis obviously isn't going to be friends with Bowman anyway.
No way in hell would I do a top prospect plus a pick for Ladd. He's a bottom-six player, borderline top-six at best.

On the other hand, we'd be giving up our 1st(giving Chicago 3 1sts this year) AND one of our best young prospects in Grabner?

No way. Chicago runs away literally going insane with laughter with that deal.

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No way in hell would I do a top prospect plus a pick for Ladd. He's a bottom-six player, borderline top-six at best.

On the other hand, we'd be giving up our 1st(giving Chicago 3 1sts this year) AND one of our best young prospects in Grabner?

No way. Chicago runs away literally going insane with laughter with that deal.
I don't necessarily see Grabner sticking long term in the NHL. I think Ladd would be a long term fit in Vancouver; he's an RFA, and is from the area.

I think Ladd>Grabner

And obviously 25>43.

I know Grabner is a favourite on these boards, but he's also running out of time as a top prospect, full junior career plus 3 AHL seasons, if he isn't projected by Gillis to make the team out of camp I would definitely move him. Gotta give to get, Ladd would be an important piece who I think is a good fit on a second line, or a third line depending on chemistry etc. Fills a big hole on this roster. If McKenzie is right and the asking price is 1st + prospect, then I think getting Ladd + 2nd back would be a good deal.

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Bob McKenzie on Team 1040 – No way Canucks will give up their 25th overall pick for Versteeg, and although the Canucks are very interested in Andrew Ladd, the asking price is too much at the moment. (1st round pick and prospect)
That's madness. Hopefully teams overrate Chicago players this much when it comes time to offer sheet them Hjalmarssen and Niemi.

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I'd move the first and a prospect if we get another pick back with Ladd. Hypothetically Grabner + 25 for Ladd plus 43 or something like that. I really like Ladd, and I'd move a good quality prospect for him, but the picks would have to get us another top 60 pick back or no go for me.

I'd also offersheet him if he makes it to July 1. Gillis obviously isn't going to be friends with Bowman anyway.
No chance at all. I'd do a 2011 2nd and Bliznak (or equivalent prospect) for Ladd. I'd do the 25th overall and a prospect like Bliznak if they send back Ladd and a 2nd.

If that's the asking price it's lunacy. As such, I fully expect him to be traded to one of the usual culprits within the next three days for said lunatic price.

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No chance at all. I'd do a 2011 2nd and Bliznak (or equivalent prospect) for Ladd. I'd do the 25th overall and a prospect like Bliznak if they send back Ladd and a 2nd.

If that's the asking price it's lunacy. As such, I fully expect him to be traded to one of the usual culprits within the next three days for said lunatic price.
The thing for me is I don't see how Grabner in the lineup next year makes us a better team, I see that with Ladd. That's why I'd pay a higher price. Bliznak is an RFA and pretty much worthless in a trade. Morin alone is worth more than Bliznak + 2nd.

Like I said in my first post though, I'd offer sheet him at 12:01 on July 1 if he's not signed or traded. Gotta think he'd be willing to sign an offer from VAN being a local guy.

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The thing for me is I don't see how Grabner in the lineup next year makes us a better team, I see that with Ladd. That's why I'd pay a higher price. Bliznak is an RFA and pretty much worthless in a trade. Morin alone is worth more than Bliznak + 2nd.

Like I said in my first post though, I'd offer sheet him at 12:01 on July 1 if he's not signed or traded. Gotta think he'd be willing to sign an offer from VAN being a local guy.
I think if he did the trade you suggested, Mike Gillis would look like a fool by next February. I don't even want to think about Michael Grabner as the inexpensive player moving between the top 3 lines in Chicago.

Ladd is the quintessential 7th forward, but I wouldn't trade a player that looks like he's on the verge of becoming a legitimate top 6 winger after investing four years of time developing him. It just doesn't make sense.

I don't see a scenario where Schroeder, Rodin, or Connauton "help" the Canucks next season either, but you won't see me suggesting Gillis should rush to trade any of them for Colin Fraser so we can improve our 4th line. It's just not a realistic way to look at trade value.

The Canucks should find a team in the East that would pay less of a premium for Ladd and work out an under-handed 3-way deal that the Hawks don't know about

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I'd rather sign Armstrong long term in the 2 - 2.5 mill per range.
For our paltry 3rd line LW spot, if we can get rid of Bernier's contract.

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It was happening before? And why definitely not now, did he get traded?
I just think because Byfuglien got traded, chicago would like to keep versteeg?

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I just think because Byfuglien got traded, chicago would like to keep versteeg?
Possible, but I doubt it. Even with trading Byfuglien, Sopel and Eager, the Hawks still badly need to clear out some space unless they want to dress several minimum wage plugs on their team next season. They have only 3 defensemen under contract to go with 9 forwards and a goaltender. And they only have $5.985m in cap space to be able to ice a roster every night(minimum 3 D, 3 F and 1 G needed to be signed).

Long and short, someone(or some other people) have to be moved.

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