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06-23-2010, 11:37 PM
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Dropping Bernier's $2 million would give us ample cap room to sign Volchenkov; hopefully he would NOT cost $5 million per season, but possibly. We're running out of draft picks this year though.

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06-23-2010, 11:39 PM
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high risk if this is true. hes a shot blocking machine. but anton has a history of injuries along with it. i would'nt touch him at 5 mill if thats his asking price.

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God I would love this, even just to free up a roster spot and Bernier's salary. Volchenkov isn't my main suspect because of injury concerns, but I'm on board for a bold move like this. My only concern would be the three round gap in the draft if the Nucks do this.

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That will take some time to really come up with a list of good targets.

Just did a quick peek at capgeek. (just looked a handful of teams)

And some names that come up"

anaheim- wizniewski, 2.75 million, gritty, mean, decent defensively. Paired with niedermayer a lot of the time and puts up about 30 pts.

colorado- ryan wilson- imo the western version of johnny boychuk. Big, mean, fights, hits, and is actually pretty decent defensively for a rookie.
making peanuts i think.

atl- tobias enstrom - already a very good dman. 1 of the best offensive dman, and is a true pp qb (something we don't have). So will take a lot to acquire, but signed at 3 mill +

nyi - travis hamonic - started noticing him at the WJC. Was very good defensively. Heard he had a killer year in junior. Probably will be very hard to acquire, but we also have some big named prospect to offer.

phoenix- sami lepisto- From what i have seen, hes as solid defensively as michalek ( pretty close anyways).
Too lazy to check his salary , but i would assume its cheap.


nashville- cody franson- Nashville the dman factory, franson is tall, long reach, has some offensive upside. And as a rookie didn't look out of place in his own zone.

Thats just by looking at a few teams. Theres lot of choices out there.
Lepisto could have been had for peanuts last year - where's the professional scouting when you need 'em

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Does this have any credability?

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06-24-2010, 12:01 AM
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I dont know, would he worth the 5 million dollars? How is his play compare to Jay Bouwmeester? Volchenkov at 5 million dollars or Bouwmeester at 6 million, who would you choose?

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06-24-2010, 12:02 AM
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Does this have any credability?
Lets just say the same source are saying we are trying to get 3rd overall for pieces involving Raymond.

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I dont know, would he worth the 5 million dollars? How is his play compare to Jay Bouwmeester? Volchenkov at 5 million dollars or Bouwmeester at 6 million, who would you choose?
Apples and oranges.

Bouwmeester is an all around guy, Volchenkov is a primer shutdown defenseman.

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06-24-2010, 12:12 AM
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get rid of bernier aka save 2m in cap and get volchenkov, hell ****ing ya do it

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The #s kind of make sense though - Bernier at $2M has negative value so you'd expect the Sens to ask for more than a 6th or 7th rounder.

If we signed him, I'd want to pay less than 5M, otherwise I suspect some posters and reporters would be reminding everyone that "we signed that guy for 5 friggin' million???" every time he laid an egg.

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The #s kind of make sense though - Bernier at $2M has negative value so you'd expect the Sens to ask for more than a 6th or 7th rounder.
If he's got negative value - shove him on the Moose to help protect our prospects their rather than diminishing the value of any trade proposal. We're not the K-Mart of NHL teams.

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Can't see the Canucks having any interest in Volchenkov. He is a transition killer.

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Suppose you need a defence. You need cap space, too. Isn't this a deal you'd make persuing those goals?

Sending a two million dollar contract out the door and accepting no salary in return is genius in the post cap era.

Preserving the third round pick is a good idea if you are going to offer sheet somebody's RFA. I'd like to poach Mihalik, offering three million and hoping Tampa takes the picks. Of course I'd talk it over with Yzerman before hand.

Having signed Volchenkov would make it easier to attract Michalek, the Pheonix FA.

If I were attempting this I would have done a lot of backdoor research via Shirokov.

Fun to speculate. I hope Artyukhin is part of the Russian movement! lol.

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Can't see the Canucks having any interest in Volchenkov. He is a transition killer.
Can Vancouver trade Volchenkov's rights for Hamhuis' rights?

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If he's got negative value - shove him on the Moose to help protect our prospects their rather than diminishing the value of any trade proposal. We're not the K-Mart of NHL teams.
Might be better for Gillis to keep those cards for later use - its kind of like the World Cup of Soccer - you only have 3 substitutes, a wise man would not use them too early.

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If he's got negative value - shove him on the Moose to help protect our prospects their rather than diminishing the value of any trade proposal. We're not the K-Mart of NHL teams.
Or just take him off the team diet program and let him plump up to morbid obese status and put him on LTIR.

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I can't see Gillis making this deal..Throwing away picks and players for a chance at signing someone.. Stupid.. Let the Flames and the Flyers do it

BTW have the Flyer got a deal done yet with Hamhuis. If not whats the hold up?

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06-24-2010, 12:37 AM
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I can't see Gillis making this deal..Throwing away picks and players for a chance at signing someone.. Stupid.. Let the Flames and the Flyers do it

BTW have the Flyer got a deal done yet with Hamhuis. If not whats the hold up?
we are getting 2m in cap space, if he signs or not, gives us more money 2 sign better players.

I would do this in a heartbeat

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get rid of bernier aka save 2m in cap and get volchenkov, hell ****ing ya do it
I dont know about that, He might going to ask for 5 million dollars. What if he didn't sign with us? Then we will be giving them free asset. Not to mention he seems to be another Sami Salo, we dont need more defenseman who get hurt all the time.

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high risk if this is true. hes a shot blocking machine. but anton has a history of injuries along with it. i would'nt touch him at 5 mill if thats his asking price.
His injuries are actually pretty typical for an NHL defenseman. Over the last 5 years he has averaged 70.4 games per season.

Compare last 5 years games per season to:
  • Willie Mitchell - 68.8 (if you take out this year, Mitchell is 72)
  • Paul Martin - 66.0
  • Robyn Regehr - 76
  • Mattias Ohlund - 74
  • Mike Komisarek - 65.6
  • Dennis Seidenberg - 62.2
  • Jan Hejda (3 years only) - 75.0
  • Zbynek Michalek - 78.6
  • Greg Zanon (4 years) - 76.75

Big physical shutdown defensemen seem to typically play about 70 games per season.

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I want him, but I reallly don't want Gillis overpaying for him.

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i dont get this injury prone bs.....he is not prone... and neither is Willie... look at the stats above

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With the Canucks looking like they could be the top team in the West, I'd hope that whoever comes gives a discount for a chance to win the Cup.

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Interesting if it is true.

Volchenkov brings a lot of what we need in a defender in terms of physicality, shot blocking and defensive play. He isn't a great puck handler but if the team is looking not to bring Mitchell back, he's the right sort of replacement.

As much as I'd thought moving Bernier makes sense, I'm not sure he's the piece I'd be moving for a players rights; we're out our second this year to have him, now we might not have him or the 4th (if we trust the rumour), that doesn't seem like good asset management.

I'm curious as to how this all shakes out.


As to the Ryder comments; I thought the Province had reported that Gillis had a chance to talk to Ryder by offering a conditional pick if he signed. I think that's a different situation than what Gillis was critical of; trading assets for potentially signing someone.

Either way exciting days ahead.

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06-24-2010, 02:26 AM
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If this does go thru, then it is more likely for MG to trade down with the first rounder (for possibly a 2nd and 3rd).

But what happens if Jarred Tinordi is still available at number 25?

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