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Sharks re-sign Marleau ($6.9m) and Pavelski ($4m) to 4yr deals.

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06-24-2010, 03:26 PM
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and all the Ottawa, maple leafs, NJ fans hearts just broke...

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06-24-2010, 03:36 PM
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That won't work per CBA. $$s can't change more than 50% of like year two in a long deal, so the max change from year 4-5 would be $3.5, not $4.
they are two seperate contracts...

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06-24-2010, 03:52 PM
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Both the deals are fair value, but I was hoping Patty and Pavs would both take a bit more of a discount so that the Sharks could add two top-4 defensemen.

Assuming that Setoguchi signs for ~$3mil and they bring back either Nichol or Malhotra at $1-1.5mil, the Sharks are left with around $5mil for a defenseman and a goalie.

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However, if the Sharks were committed to Marleau, they needed to make it a more cap-friendly deal, i.e. Hossa's deal with Chicago. Even Toews and Kane ($6.3 M each) have more cap-friendly deals, and everyone knows that they are sporting some new hardware.
Both Toews and Kane were signed before they won the cup, and were both RFAs. It's not comparable. And with all the pressure the NHL put on the Flyers and Blackhawks for front-loading Hossa's and Pronger's contracts, I'm not surprised DW doesn't want to go that way, plus, there's always the worry of the guy pulling a DiPietro and you're stuck with a worthless contract for multiple years. $7 million is a home town discount for Marleau, even with a NTC. Good deals, although I agree that in order to get a solid defender, either one of the top 6 is going to have to go.

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06-24-2010, 04:03 PM
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Thank you DW for keeping main pieces of the Sharks core in place!

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06-24-2010, 04:12 PM
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I am glad Pavs and Patty will be back in teal. Never really doubted but still had a bit of fear of seeing Patty go. DW has said he doesn't like long term deals so the years isn't a surprise at all and 10.9cap hit total is about where I thought it would take to get the two of them. Hoped for better but fine with the outcome.

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06-24-2010, 04:15 PM
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Both the deals are fair value, but I was hoping Patty and Pavs would both take a bit more of a discount so that the Sharks could add two top-4 defensemen.

Assuming that Setoguchi signs for ~$3mil and they bring back either Nichol or Malhotra at $1-1.5mil, the Sharks are left with around $5mil for a defenseman and a goalie.
Either Clowe or Seto will be dealt to give more cap room for a defenseman or two and a goalie. Could also move out contracts like Mitchell, Huskins, Murray, etc.

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06-24-2010, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by frozenwater
22 mil for one line! Am I the only one that is concerned here?


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That is very scary, 37% of your salary to three players is never a good thing.
Very scary! Marleau was overpaid by 1.9 mil a season, sure he got 35 goals, but as seen in the playoffs he shows no heart and no grit. Pavs was overpaid by $500,000. For those of you who think Clowe should go, if he goes, we will watch the Sharks get pushed around all year......and so we have how much $$$ left over to build a team that can roll 4 lines and sign some tough mobile defensemen and a capable goalie? A good GM would have trimmed those deals down......

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Thank You DW for keeping Marleau in teal. At least now we will be able to keep trade Marleau rumors alive.

I am surprised that DW didn't overpay "his own guys" this time around both contracts are right where everyone should have realistically expected them. Pavs getting slightly more than Clowe and Patty getting slightly less than Heatley. This also should put JTs next contract at about $7.9million.

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06-24-2010, 04:26 PM
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Marleau was overpaid by 1.9 mil a season, sure he got 35 goals, but as seen in the playoffs he shows no heart and no grit.
Yeah...he definitely wasn't the only one to show up against the Blackhawks...

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Any info on NTC/NMC?

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Yeah...he definitely wasn't the only one to show up against the Blackhawks...
so he scored some goals that just happened to appear on his stick.

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so he scored some goals that just happened to appear on his stick.
lol.

You simply have no idea what your talking about. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude.

He scored 44 goals, not 35, 83 points, while being the best defensive forward on the roster. He's one of the fastest skaters in the NHL, and our most consistent playoff performer in team history.

Frankly, there isn't a player on the team I would not sacrifice before Patty. That includes Boyle, Thornton, and Heatley.

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06-24-2010, 04:39 PM
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so he scored some goals that just happened to appear on his stick.
I'll be the first to admit Marleau was dreadful the first round. But he was the Marleau we saw in the regular season the last portion of the Detroit series and the Chicago series.

Speaking of the regular season, he was by far the best player on the team. He's a complete player which you can't say about many Sharks.

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Since there was no injury report released, I to this day wonder what the **** was wrong with him in Round 1/2.

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06-24-2010, 04:54 PM
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Since there was no injury report released, I to this day wonder what the **** was wrong with him in Round 1/2.
First round exit Jitters probably. And for Round 2 maybe he was having flashbacks to Dallas in 08.

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First round exit Jitters probably. And for Round 2 maybe he was having flashbacks to Dallas in 08.
Frankly I think he was just off. Not sure why, but he figured it out when it mattered, so he's forgiven.

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06-24-2010, 04:58 PM
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The most elite player in the league makes $9.5mil. Wade Redden gets $6.5mil a year. Scott Gomez gets $7.3mil a year. Chris Drury gets $7mil a year. Thomas Vanek gets $7.1mil a year. Vincent Lecavalier gets $7.7mil a year. Only Stamkos, Crosby and Ovechkin scored more goals than Marleau last year. Marleau would have got over $7.5mil if he hit free agency.
This.

To add, Marleau is also a SH threat, solid defender, +50% in face-offs, can play Wing/Center. Marleau provides more tangibles than any other Shark. On top, he's very durable, missing very few games.

The next four years we have Marleau in his prime. Nothing else on the market that matches all these criteria.

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Since there was no injury report released, I to this day wonder what the **** was wrong with him in Round 1/2.
Nothing except for him getting sick for that one game against Detroit. He just wasn't there offensively and the Avs were playing one of the most conservative brands of defensive hockey since before the lockout. He's not going to show up and score goals in every series. People generally look for the guy that has a healthy history of playoff goal production.

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06-24-2010, 04:59 PM
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Pavelski deserved a bit more than 4 million. Guy is in his prime and is only getting better. Outperformed Marleau in the playoffs where it matters. Marleau can't even take a HTD for the sake of the team's chances at winning a cup, but Pavs can? Wow. Really disappointed.

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22 mil for one line! Am I the only one that is concerned here?




Very scary! Marleau was overpaid by 1.9 mil a season, sure he got 35 goals, but as seen in the playoffs he shows no heart and no grit. Pavs was overpaid by $500,000. For those of you who think Clowe should go, if he goes, we will watch the Sharks get pushed around all year......and so we have how much $$$ left over to build a team that can roll 4 lines and sign some tough mobile defensemen and a capable goalie? A good GM would have trimmed those deals down......
Your value of marleau is way off. Also almost every year in the playoff there is a series where he is the only person to show up. And if you think he doesn't show heart or grit go back to 2008 and watch the Calgary series. Where he is boarded and cheepshotted, his face cut and not even a penalty called on the flames. And him not wanting to leave the ice to get sewn up.


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Nothing except for him getting sick for that one game against Detroit. He just wasn't there offensively and the Avs were playing one of the most conservative brands of defensive hockey since before the lockout. He's not going to show up and score goals in every series. People generally look for the guy that has a healthy history of playoff goal production.
It wasn't just goals though. He wasn't finishing checks, not skating hard and was bad defensively. I pray that it is injury related. Don't need **** like that next year.

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http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/...-a-great-team/

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Pavelski deserved a bit more than 4 million. Guy is in his prime and is only getting better. Outperformed Marleau in the playoffs where it matters. Marleau can't even take a HTD for the sake of the team's chances at winning a cup, but Pavs can? Wow. Really disappointed.
Pavelski outperformed Marleau in one round against the Avs. Marleau and him were even in round two as Pavs was the driving force behind the first two wins and Marleau closed out the other two wins. Pavelski was just as invisible against Chicago as Marleau was against the Avs and Marleau was the ONLY skater to show up as he accounted for 5 of the 7 goals and assisted on a sixth which is just as productive as Pavs was in Colorado except Pavs had the benefit of two extra games.

If Marleau hit free agency, he's easily getting a 7.5 mil contract. Taking 6.9 is a hometown discount and if there's no NTC/NMC attached to it, that's an even larger perk to give up for the team at this point in his career. Also, for the situation, Pavelski is actually the same thing but on a smaller scale. Pavs is a 2nd liner coming into his own. Not a top line player. 4 mil for 2nd liners is quite fair.

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Pavelski outperformed Marleau in one round against the Avs. Marleau and him were even in round two as Pavs was the driving force behind the first two wins and Marleau closed out the other two wins. Pavelski was just as invisible against Chicago as Marleau was against the Avs and Marleau was the ONLY skater to show up as he accounted for 5 of the 7 goals and assisted on a sixth which is just as productive as Pavs was in Colorado except Pavs had the benefit of two extra games.

If Marleau hit free agency, he's easily getting a 7.5 mil contract. Taking 6.9 is a hometown discount and if there's no NTC/NMC attached to it, that's an even larger perk to give up for the team at this point in his career. Also, for the situation, Pavelski is actually the same thing but on a smaller scale. Pavs is a 2nd liner coming into his own. Not a top line player. 4 mil for 2nd liners is quite fair.
yeah, but it's doubtful Marleau duplicates this past season. I really doubt he'll be able to put up the same numbers for four more years.

pavelski on the other hand is only going to get better.

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