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2010-11 Salary Cap/Lineup Discussion (contract chart post #1)

2010-11 SEASON (UPDATED APRIL 6)

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries, and are taken directly from www.capgeek.com. It's an interactive site that lets you tinker with rosters and has a bunch of nifty features. Create your own roster with the Pens' cap calculator and post it here.


Official 2010-2011 salary ceiling: $59,400,000

DAILY CAP TRACKER


PITTSBURGH PENGUINS
Forward..............
Pos.
Age
2010-11
2011-12
2012-13
Alexei Kovalev
RW
38
5,000,000
UFA
 
Jordan Staal
C
22
4,000,000
4,000,000
4,000,000
Chris Kunitz
LW
31
3,725,000
3,725,000
UFA
James Neal
LW
23
2,875,000
2,875,000
RFA
Matt Cooke
LW
32
1,800,000
1,800,000
1,800,000
Pascal Dupuis
LW
31
1,400,000
UFA
 
Maxime Talbot
C
26
1,050,000
UFA
 
Eric Tangradi
LW
21
845,833
845,833
RFA
Mike Rupp
LW
30
825,000
UFA
 
Eric Godard
RW
30
750,000
UFA
 
Tyler Kennedy
RW
24
725,000
RFA
 
Arron Asham
RW
32
700,000
UFA
 
Craig Adams
RW
33
550,000
UFA
 
Chris Conner
RW
26
550,000
UFA
 
Mark Letestu
C
25
500,000
625,000
625,000
Mike Comrie
C
30
500,000
UFA
 
Defense..............
Pos.
Age
2010-11
2011-12
2012-13
Paul Martin
D
29
5,000,000
5,000,000
5,000,000
Zbynek Michalek
D
27
4,000,000
4,000,000
4,000,000
Brooks Orpik
D
30
3,750,000
3,750,000
3,750,000
Kris Letang
D
23
3,500,000
3,500,000
3,500,000
Matt Niskanen
D
24
1,500,000
1,500,000
RFA
Ben Lovejoy
D
26
525,000
525,000
525,000
Deryk Engelland
D
28
500,000
566,700
566,700
Goalie.................
Pos.
Age
2010-11
2011-12
2012-13
Marc-Andre Fleury
G
25
5,000,000
5,000,000
5,000,000
Brent Johnson
G
33
600,000
600,000
UFA
Injured Reserve...
Pos.
Age
2010-11
2011-12
2012-13
Sidney Crosby
C
23
8,700,000
8,700,000
8,700,000
Evgeni Malkin
C
24
8,700,000
8,700,000
8,700,000
Dustin Jeffrey
C
22
508,333
RFA
 
Nick Johnson
RW
24
500,000
RFA
 



WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS
Forward..............
Pos.
Age
2010-11
2011-12
2012-13
Keven Veilleux
C
21
854,167
854,167
RFA
Brian Gibbons
C
23
PTO
665,000
665,000
Paul Thompson
LW
22
PTO
615,000
615,000
Nick Petersen
RW
21
566,667
566,667
566,667
Joey Haddad
LW
21
513,333
RFA
 
Joe Vitale
C
25
512,500
512,500
RFA
Ryan Craig
C
28
500,000
UFA
 
Brett Sterling
LW
26
500,000
UFA
 
Tim Wallace
RW
26
500,000
RFA
 
Defense..............
Pos.
Age
2010-11
2011-12
2012-13
Brian Strait
D
22
861,667
861,667
RFA
Carl Sneep
D
22
850,000
850,000
RFA
Robert Bortuzzo
D
21
535,000
535,000
RFA
Andrew Hutchinson
D
30
500,000
UFA
 
Corey Potter
D
26
500,000
UFA
 
Steve Wagner
D
26
500,000
UFA
 
Goalie.................
Pos.
Age
2010-11
2011-12
2012-13
Brad Thiessen
G
24
875,000
RFA
 
John Curry
G
26
500,000
UFA
 



WHEELING NAILERS
Defense...............
Pos.
Age
2010-11
2011-12
2012-13
Alex Grant
D
21
790,000
790,000
RFA
Goalie..................
Pos.
Age
2010-11
2011-12
2012-13
Mattias Modig
G
23
600,000
600,000
RFA
Patrick Killeen
G
20
548,333
548,333
548,333



SIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Current Team
Contract
Simon Despres
D
19
Saint John (QMJHL)
3 years/900,000 per
Casey Pierro-Zabotel
LW
22
Cincinnati (ECHL)
2 years/850,000 per
Tom Kuhnhackl
F
19
Windsor (OHL)
3 years/610,000 per



UNSIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Current Team (League)
Kenny Agostino
F
18
Yale (ECAC)
Andy Bathgate
F
19
Belleville (OHL)
Beau Bennett
F
18
Denver (WCHA)
Nick D'Agostino
D
20
Cornell (ECAC)
Viktor Ekbom
D
21
Wilkes-Barre/Scranton (AHL)
Ben Hanowski
F
19
St. Cloud State (WCHA)
Reid McNeill
D
18
London (OHL)
Alexander Pechurskiy
G
20
Mississippi (CHL)
Joe Rogalski
D
18
Wilkes-Barre/Scranton (AHL)
Bryan Rust
F
18
Notre Dame (CCHA)
Philip Samuelsson
D
19
Boston College (HEA)
Alex Velischek
D
19
Providence (HEA)



RANDOM SCHMUCKS WHOSE RIGHTS ARE STILL OWNED
Player
Pos.
Age
Current Team (League)
Sergei Anshakov
F
27
None
Patrick Ehelechner
G
26
Nürnberg (DEL)
Evgeni Isakov
F
26
None
Mikhail Kazakevich
F
35
None
Vladimir Malenkykh
D
30
None
Johannes Salmonsson
F
24
Skellefteå (SEL)


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Looking at our defense... wow we need help. I hope Whitney is signed, but dang we really need some defenders.

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Looking at our defense... wow we need help. I hope Whitney is signed, but dang we really need some defenders.
Yeah. I'm not counting on it but I think if we nabbed Volchenkov/Martin/Michalek unless we get totally screwed the rest of the way we're going to be in Cup-mode as much as we possibly can be in a particular year. If they don't get one of those though I still expect the defense to be at least slightly above average with a couple nice pickups back there. Then we still have a nice chunk for wings.

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Yeah, we need to TWEAK the offense and pretty well totally overhaul the defense.

In my humble opinion, of course.

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I think it will look one of these two ways. THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES I DID NOT CRUNCH THE NUMBERS. THEY'RE JUST TO SHOW HOW I THINK THE TEAM COULD SHAPE UP.

Whitney-Crosby-Dupuis
Tanguay-Malkin-Modin
Cooke-Staal-Kennedy
Rupp-Adams-Talbot
Godard

Orpik-Letang
Volchenkov-Lovejoy
Eaton-Goligoski
Hnidy

OR

Whitney-Crosby-Modin
Kunitz-Malkin-Afinogenov
Cooke-Staal-Kennedy
Rupp-Adams-Talbot
Godard

Orpik-Letang
Goligoski-Jurcina
Tallinder-Lovejoy

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Please stop with the Fredrik Modin. He used to be great, but that was when Ruslan Fedotenko was first discovered too. He's a broken down 20-game player now.

I also don't think we need to spend money on Hnidy. Otherwise, I think you're very realistic.

I hope Shero goes unrealistic, though.

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Please stop with the Fredrik Modin. He used to be great, but that was when Ruslan Fedotenko was first discovered too. He's a broken down 20-game player now.

I also don't think we need to spend money on Hnidy. Otherwise, I think you're very realistic.

I hope Shero goes unrealistic, though.
I'm just looking for someone cheap with a good shot that's all. He'll be making somewhere in the $1.5 million range in my opinion. Replace Hnidy with whoever.

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Kunitz-Crosby-Stempniak/Zherdev ($2m)
Tangradi-Malkin-Johnson
Cooke-Staal-Kennedy
Rupp-Adams-Talbot
Godard

Martin-Michalek
Orpik-Letang
Goligoski-Lovejoy
7th D ($750k)

(Martin & Michalek @ 5 & 4 million)

Based on those #s, we'd have just over $200k in cap space. Replace Martin with Hamhuis or Kubina, and we'd save another $500k to $1million. We wouldn't quite get Stempniak for $2 million, but I just wanted to illustrate that we can probably get 2 great Dmen if we get just one UFA forward (which would give us a much better team, IMO).

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Okay can someone give me the straight story on Zherdev? Did his agent tell someone he's looking for an NHL contract or is this just some stupid website saying he may want one and everyone's going along with it because it provides another option for our neat little rosters?

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No one here has any idea what anyone's agent is saying, unfortunately... unless there's a link from a legit source like TSN or a real newspaper (i.e. one not from Edmonton).

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Kunitz-Crosby-Stempniak/Zherdev ($2m)
Tangradi-Malkin-Johnson
Cooke-Staal-Kennedy
Rupp-Adams-Talbot
Godard

Martin-Michalek
Orpik-Letang
Goligoski-Lovejoy
7th D ($750k)

(Martin & Michalek @ 5 & 4 million)

Based on those #s, we'd have just over $200k in cap space. Replace Martin with Hamhuis or Kubina, and we'd save another $500k to $1million. We wouldn't quite get Stempniak for $2 million, but I just wanted to illustrate that we can probably get 2 great Dmen if we get just one UFA forward (which would give us a much better team, IMO).
I don't mind this, but tangradi isn't ready and others questions johnson's ability to play in the nhl. It's decent, but what we need is a better all around team, and this isn't that. What we should do is try to evenly spread out our cap space to forwards and D, without trading people like Kunitz.

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Kunitz-Crosby-Stempniak/Zherdev ($2m)
Tangradi-Malkin-Johnson
Cooke-Staal-Kennedy
Rupp-Adams-Talbot
Godard

Martin-Michalek
Orpik-Letang
Goligoski-Lovejoy
7th D ($750k)

(Martin & Michalek @ 5 & 4 million)

Based on those #s, we'd have just over $200k in cap space. Replace Martin with Hamhuis or Kubina, and we'd save another $500k to $1million. We wouldn't quite get Stempniak for $2 million, but I just wanted to illustrate that we can probably get 2 great Dmen if we get just one UFA forward (which would give us a much better team, IMO).
Fleury would be 1 happy camper. If Tangradi is not ready put Staal there and Letestu can play 3rd line C again, he did an awesome job last season everytime he played.

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A little tight to the cap. Even a small move, like moving Kennedy and bringing up Letestu or Johnson adds another $225K in space.

This adds some skill up front, but concentrates on the D.

2010-11 PITTSBURGH PENGUINS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / * Max Afinogenov ($2.000m)
* Vinny Prospal ($1.850m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($1.400m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Jordan Staal ($4.000m) / Tyler Kennedy ($0.725m)
Michael Rupp ($0.825m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.050m) / Craig Adams ($0.550m)
Eric Godard ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
* Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Kristopher Letang ($3.500m) / * Toni Lydman ($3.250m)
Alex Goligoski ($1.833m) / Ben Lovejoy ($0.525m)
* Freddy Meyer ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m) / Brent Johnson ($0.600m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $59.283m; CAP ROOM: $0.117m BONUSES: $0.000m

If you prefer Afinogenov with Malkin, drop him down, move Dupuis to LW. Then Prospal up to LW1, and slide over Kunitz to RW1.

Really starting to think Prospal is the winger to target up front. Yeah, I know, the every other year thing...but he's going to cost about 1/2 of what Whitney will.

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Really starting to think Prospal is the winger to target up front. Yeah, I know, the every other year thing...but he's going to cost about 1/2 of what Whitney will.
Whitney is a skilled player that is going to make Sid or Geno even better. He grinds, but can put the puck in the net and set up plays. The only worry is his +/-, which is usually right around 0 or negative. However, Carolina has been an up and down team for the past few seasons. If you put him with Sid and Kuni, then I think he has an 80 point season. If you put him with Geno and Staal, then I think he has an 80 point season. Prospal would be a good fit wherever we don't put Whitney, but Afinigenov is someone to look at as well. I'd like to see us get a really big body with some skill (what Poni didn't provide)...but that doesn't seem to be something we want in our system.

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I'd like to see us get a really big body with some skill (what Poni didn't provide)...but that doesn't seem to be something we want in our system.
We had Malone, he got too expensive, but it wasn't as if we didn't want to hang on to him. We now have Tangradi, and we'll see how that develops.
The idea that we don't want a big body with skill in the system... where do you get that? Just look at Staal, Keven Veilleux, Casey Pierro Zabotel, Luca Caputi. Its not as if Shero isn't trying to draft such players. Just like getting in Bill Guerin was at least an attempt at acquiring such qualities for a quick fix (part of winning us a cup too).

But more than that - every team wants a big man with skill. Hence the players who fit the profile are usually hideously expensive, and there aren't that many of them anyway.

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Id really like to see us settle in, fill out our blueline in FA and tweak the offense.
THEN try and get a young forward to specifically be Malkins winger.
Unless Kunitz becomes his winger and Crosby gets the new one.

Either way I see:
Modin Malkin Tanguay and similar rosters and think god Malkins gonna have a breakdown.

Stafford, Wheeler, Kulemin, Pouliot, Cogliano (Ladd or Versteeg obviously would have to be a move right away). Whoever fits best as far as skill set and coming cheap with good upside. I keep thinking we dont have much as far as trade assets then I look at other teams rosters and think what thier really missing are good solid third liners. Oddly what I would have thought of as the easiest type of player to find. Maybe thered be a deal available IDK.

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We had Malone, he got too expensive, but it wasn't as if we didn't want to hang on to him. We now have Tangradi, and we'll see how that develops.
The idea that we don't want a big body with skill in the system... where do you get that? Just look at Staal, Keven Veilleux, Casey Pierro Zabotel, Luca Caputi. Its not as if Shero isn't trying to draft such players. Just like getting in Bill Guerin was at least an attempt at acquiring such qualities for a quick fix (part of winning us a cup too).

But more than that - every team wants a big man with skill. Hence the players who fit the profile are usually hideously expensive, and there aren't that many of them anyway.
I'm not looking for a skill guy with size...I'm saying someone who can stand in front of the net and give our team a different look. Staal does this from time to time, Bill Guerin is basically the same, but I'm referring to Holmstrom/Franzen/Byfulien-esque. Poni didn't provide a body that could cause problems to give Geno space, and it worries me that Kuni can't stay healthy and just doesn't have size. However, if you put Whitney out there with Sid and Kuni...I'm really content.

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Well those guys are skill players with size.
Not your prototypical "skill" player but to be successful in front of the net like Holmstrom especially requires a certain skill set.
We could sign Jurcina and have him stand in front of the net on PPs it doesnt mean its going to do us any good.

Theres few Holmstrom-ish players(who are good at it) and you just named the main ones.

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Looking at our defense... wow we need help. I hope Whitney is signed, but dang we really need some defenders.
Been saying this for the longest with all of the Kovalchuk and crap forwards some have been speaking of. You don't need stars for the forwards. We have two already. We need compentent guys there. We legitmately need a star and a solid player on defense.

Some think that star is Gonchar .... I just don't agree for the amount he supposedly wants.

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With Guerin now gone, a guy like Poni now has an opening to be used on the PP in front of the net, and if they pick up Whitney as well, they can have a PP something like this every now an then.


Poni, Crosby, Malkin

Whitney-----Goligoski



[net]

Poni

Whitney Crosby



Goligoski Malkin

They can swing in any direction with this set up to capitalize using the entire zone better.

They rotate counter clockwise

[net]
Crosby


Poni Malkin




Whitney Goligoski



Whitney & Poni could cycle in an out of the LW & net.



I think this season compared to last season, they are going to live or die by the PP.


This, I can live with, its not flashy, but it gets the job done.IMHO


Kunitz is really having me doubt he will be uninjured the rest of his tenure with the Pens. I don't know how much longer I can watch him always hunched over, laboring up an down the ice. I know he is very valuable to the team, but thats only when he actually plays. He could be the extra cap money for better D-men & other RW forward. Torn groin might hamper him for awhile.

Pittsburgh's - (Kunitz + 1st 20th 2010 & Gonchars rights)

for

Florida's - (1st 15th 2010 & Dvorak)

Whitney, Crosby, Dupuis
Poni, Malkin, Dvorak


Pens Draft 15th overall =

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Pittsburgh's - (Kunitz + 1st 20th 2010 & Gonchars rights)

for

Florida's - (1st 15th 2010 & Dvorak)

Whitney, Crosby, Dupuis
Poni, Malkin, Dvorak


Pens Draft 15th overall =
That's one of the most vile things I've ever seen. You can remove Gonchar's rights (just to get my bias out of the way for those who are checking) and it is still preposterous.
We are a win now team (yes yes, and in the future too), and we're not going to downgrade from Kunitz to Dvorak to jump five friggin places in the draft. Its a total crap shoot and Shero might well end up picking exactly the same guy anyway... a guy who most likely would be two-three years away from making any kind of particular impact anyway.

I know the draft is tomorrow, but some of you exhibit meth craving like disorders with these proposals .

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That's one of the most vile things I've ever seen. You can remove Gonchar's rights (just to get my bias out of the way for those who are checking) and it is still preposterous.
We are a win now team (yes yes, and in the future too), and we're not going to downgrade from Kunitz to Dvorak to jump five friggin places in the draft. Its a total crap shoot and Shero might well end up picking exactly the same guy anyway... a guy who most likely would be two-three years away from making any kind of particular impact anyway.

I know the draft is tomorrow, but some of you exhibit meth craving like disorders with these proposals .
TR, you maybe want to check that schedule, unless you like watching reruns.

It's passing the time on a very boring day.

By the way, 5 spots is a big deal when it can mean getting who you want, or just missing him by a single pick, and having to settle for plan "C".

You mean Kunitz with a torn groin? What if he misses a good part of the season? He seems to becoming a walking wounded, lately.

Last: It's Kunitz to Whitney.

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TR, you maybe want to check that schedule, unless you like watching reruns.

It's passing the time on a very boring day.

By the way, 5 spots is a big deal when it can mean getting who you want, or just missing him by a single pick, and having to settle for plan "C".

You mean Kunitz with a torn groin? What if he misses a good part of the season? He seems to becoming a walking wounded, lately.

Last: It's Kunitz to Whitney.
There's no freaking way in hell I'd trade Kunitz just to move up five spots unless either Nino or Connolly are still on the board and that's who we take. Torn groin or not he's still our only legit winger.

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