SHOULDN'T WE LOOK TO KEEP BALLARD AND MOVE ALLEN MCCABE OR (though I don't really want to>)ELLERBY???
Kulikov needs stay, and nobody except someone who noticed the ballard-garrison thing cares about Garrison.
If I were STL I'd try for both of them. and since FL is STOOOOOOPID, they'd probably do it.
Let's get rid of Campbell, Horton, and Ballard! AND KEEP MCCABE OLESZ AND REINPRECHT?
MOTTO IN FLORIDA...YOU WANT EM...WE GIVE EM...................
....................YOU DON'T WANT EM? DOESN'T MATTER, WE WEREN'T GONNA GIVE EM ANYWAY!
This is still just a rumor, you know. And the rumor is that St. Louis is looking to get Ballard and offering Berglund, not that Florida is offering Ballard to get Berglund.
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SHOULDN'T WE LOOK TO KEEP BALLARD AND MOVE ALLEN MCCABE OR (though I don't really want to>)ELLERBY???
Kulikov needs stay, and nobody except someone who noticed the ballard-garrison thing cares about Garrison.
If I were STL I'd try for both of them. and since FL is STOOOOOOPID, they'd probably do it.
Let's get rid of Campbell, Horton, and Ballard! AND KEEP MCCABE OLESZ AND REINPRECHT?
MOTTO IN FLORIDA...YOU WANT EM...WE GIVE EM...................
....................YOU DON'T WANT EM? DOESN'T MATTER, WE WEREN'T GONNA GIVE EM ANYWAY!
You know why they're keeping those 3 guys? BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS THEM AND THEIR CAP HIT!! Jeez some people cant figure something simple like that out. McCabe can be traded at the deadline when his cap hit is more managable for other teams. No one wants Olesz and that contract, including the Panthers. So best thing to do is play him next season and hope he plays well enough that he can be traded next offseason. Reino might have some value but very minimal around the league (heck look what it cost FL to get him in the first place).
If we want a good player, we're going to have to give a good player in return. What's so hard about that to understand??!?
You know why they're keeping those 3 guys? BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS THEM AND THEIR CAP HIT!! Jeez some people cant figure something simple like that out. McCabe can be traded at the deadline when his cap hit is more managable for other teams. No one wants Olesz and that contract, including the Panthers. So best thing to do is play him next season and hope he plays well enough that he can be traded next offseason. Reino might have some value but very minimal around the league (heck look what it cost FL to get him in the first place).
If we want a good player, we're going to have to give a good player in return. What's so hard about that to understand??!?
Nothing about what you said isn't understandable.
What's hard for me to understand is if we weren't good with the GOOD players they're now trading and looking to trade, what makes them think they'll be better getting lesser than what they give, while keeping the ones that no one wants?
If we weren't going for the difference maker, I'd rather just not trade anyone.
Who the is even available July 1st that would not only be willing to come here, but not flop???
This is still just a rumor, you know. And the rumor is that St. Louis is looking to get Ballard and offering Berglund, not that Florida is offering Ballard to get Berglund.
Thanks for tryin to calm me down a little, but just when I thought I couldn't be any less enchanted down here...we got rid of major heart and character in #11, we lost the majority of our offense in #16...
Now we're getting rid of the only brains in the defense department?
I know everyone here thinks I'm a moron, but for people to want to get rid of Ballard for more mediocrity...
Are there people, that didn't think 6'4 260lbs 34 RegSeasPts StanleyCupChamp would help this club, the same people that think getting rid of Ballard (the only D-man besides kuli people actually want) to bring in a 6'4 215lbs 26 RegSeaspts guy would help???????
Thanks for tryin to calm me down a little, but just when I thought I couldn't be any less enchanted down here...we got rid of major heart and character in #11, we lost the majority of our offense in #16...
Now we're getting rid of the only brains in the defense department?
I know everyone here thinks I'm a moron, but for people to want to get rid of Ballard for more mediocrity...
Are there people, that didn't think 6'4 260lbs 34 RegSeasPts StanleyCupChamp would help this club, the same people that think getting rid of Ballard (the only D-man besides kuli people actually want) to bring in a 6'4 215lbs 26 RegSeaspts guy would help???????
Tallon sure as hell seems to be that guy.
Ballard isn't that good. He is signed for way too long. He is a good second pairing defenseman who was exposed like everyone else on D last season. Replacing him is a lot easier than finding a center who 21 goals his rookie season who has a very high cieling. I'm not sure they would even trade him. Someone like Brad Boyes makes more sense for them to move.
Thanks for tryin to calm me down a little, but just when I thought I couldn't be any less enchanted down here...we got rid of major heart and character in #11, we lost the majority of our offense in #16...
Now we're getting rid of the only brains in the defense department?
I know everyone here thinks I'm a moron, but for people to want to get rid of Ballard for more mediocrity...
Are there people, that didn't think 6'4 260lbs 34 RegSeasPts StanleyCupChamp would help this club, the same people that think getting rid of Ballard (the only D-man besides kuli people actually want) to bring in a 6'4 215lbs 26 RegSeaspts guy would help???????
Tallon sure as hell seems to be that guy.
brains?
good one! i'm always on the side of letting guys work through their issues so i don't want to throw ballard overboard just because he had an embarrassingly awful year but if berglund's value is low and he fits the mold, you go for it. ballard is not, in any case, the brains of the D.
Last edited by Acadmus: 06-25-2010 at 12:02 PM.
Reason: mistook his language as an insult - put back one instance of his opening commentary, which was in triplicate
The only "stupid" idea, IMO, is not doing this trade if Berglund is indeed on the table. The kid put up 21 goals his first year in the NHL and was touted as a franchise center before he had a tough year. Ballard is great and all, plays with heart, but he gets beat often and can make some pretty dumb plays. While I would gladly dump Allen and/or McCabe before I'd trade Ballard, that isn't going to happen.
Only Frolik has potential close to what Berglund can do and I think, if given the chance, that Berglund will absolutely shine playing on our top 2 lines and getting lots of PP time.
What's hard for me to understand is if we weren't good with the GOOD players they're now trading and looking to trade, what makes them think they'll be better getting lesser than what they give, while keeping the ones that no one wants?
If we weren't going for the difference maker, I'd rather just not trade anyone.
Who the is even available July 1st that would not only be willing to come here, but not flop???
But if you understood that, then why would you be complaining so dramatically with lotsa capital letters and extra large font?? Kinda sounds like the opposite to me and you're just complaining because you dont like the fact that Tallon may trade a player you like.
This team needs a complete change in locker room chemistry and attitude. A player can be good (like Horton for instance) but just not help a team succeed. So unforutnately, some good guys will need to go to start changing that attitude. The lesser guys that we're keeping around wont be around for very long either. They just have limited value on their own and we're not at a point to start using assets to trade with them to get better value.
By not trading anyone, you're just continuing the trend of that bad chemistry and attitude. Based on the rumors about a d-man who thinks the org is cheap and doesnt seem happy here, I think that kinda sounds like Ballard to me. So rather than keep a guy who wont be happy here or doesnt want to fit with the long term solution, it makes more sense to move him out now and get good value for him.
You guys may not like Berglund based on what he's done so far but he's still a solid enough player and good asset to acquire. If he explodes with more support here than he had in St Louis (support in terms of nurturing), then he would be a steal. I would not be opposed to even acquiring him and then flipping him to Atlanta for the #8 pick. That would make sense for everyone involved to be honest.
But if you understood that, then why would you be complaining so dramatically with lotsa capital letters and extra large font?? Kinda sounds like the opposite to me and you're just complaining because you dont like the fact that Tallon may trade a player you like.
This team needs a complete change in locker room chemistry and attitude. A player can be good (like Horton for instance) but just not help a team succeed. So unforutnately, some good guys will need to go to start changing that attitude. The lesser guys that we're keeping around wont be around for very long either. They just have limited value on their own and we're not at a point to start using assets to trade with them to get better value.
By not trading anyone, you're just continuing the trend of that bad chemistry and attitude. Based on the rumors about a d-man who thinks the org is cheap and doesnt seem happy here, I think that kinda sounds like Ballard to me. So rather than keep a guy who wont be happy here or doesnt want to fit with the long term solution, it makes more sense to move him out now and get good value for him.
You guys may not like Berglund based on what he's done so far but he's still a solid enough player and good asset to acquire. If he explodes with more support here than he had in St Louis (support in terms of nurturing), then he would be a steal. I would not be opposed to even acquiring him and then flipping him to Atlanta for the #8 pick. That would make sense for everyone involved to be honest.
I don't know but I wouldn't think Ballard is the one that thinks the org is cheap. I could be wrong, but regardless of that, when you have the ability to acquire a player like Berglund, you need to pull the trigger if it doesn't set you back much, and trading Ballard doesn't set us back much.
I'd probably do this trade too. While I like Ballard, if he can bring us something we really need like a good-sized center, I'm all for it. Thing that sux is one of the best things about Ballard are his hip-checks. Yet the refs practically called everyone of them for a penalty last season. So if he can't do one of the things he's best at, that puts a damper on things.
Also, acquiring Wideman gives us the option of trading Ballard. I'm guessing we'll draft Guds so our defense might be a bright spot in a year or two.
Ballard for Berglund would be a very very strong move.
I am very excited to hear the Panthers are high on Nick Bjugstad and are considering him at the #15 spot or lower.
I'd really like to see the Panthers trade down, grab Bjugstad, and just accumulate forwards with a bunch of their 2nd and later picks...really need to get that group up to speed with the blue line and net minders.
But if you understood that, then why would you be complaining so dramatically with lotsa capital letters and extra large font?? Kinda sounds like the opposite to me and you're just complaining because you dont like the fact that Tallon may trade a player you like.
This team needs a complete change in locker room chemistry and attitude. A player can be good (like Horton for instance) but just not help a team succeed. So unforutnately, some good guys will need to go to start changing that attitude. The lesser guys that we're keeping around wont be around for very long either. They just have limited value on their own and we're not at a point to start using assets to trade with them to get better value.
By not trading anyone, you're just continuing the trend of that bad chemistry and attitude. Based on the rumors about a d-man who thinks the org is cheap and doesnt seem happy here, I think that kinda sounds like Ballard to me. So rather than keep a guy who wont be happy here or doesnt want to fit with the long term solution, it makes more sense to move him out now and get good value for him.
You guys may not like Berglund based on what he's done so far but he's still a solid enough player and good asset to acquire. If he explodes with more support here than he had in St Louis (support in terms of nurturing), then he would be a steal. I would not be opposed to even acquiring him and then flipping him to Atlanta for the #8 pick. That would make sense for everyone involved to be honest.
Wait a sec... I remember reading this morning that Horton was the only guy who asked Tallon to move him? Regardless, as much as I like Ballard, we could definitely use Berglund more. But, IMO, Ballard is much better than he performed last year, which probably seriously depreciated his value. This trade seems to help both teams.
I'd probably do this trade too. While I like Ballard, if he can bring us something we really need like a good-sized center, I'm all for it. Thing that sux is one of the best things about Ballard are his hip-checks. Yet the refs practically called everyone of them for a penalty last season. So if he can't do one of the things he's best at, that puts a damper on things.
-ghoste
Ballards hip checks are a thing of beauty huh? Who else remembers when he flipped Malkin? That was brooootal
Unless of course we don't get more defensemen in free agency. There's no guarantee any dmen we get in the draft will be NHL ready, and dealing Ballard leaves us with a d-corps of McCabe, Kulikov, Garrison, Ellerby, Wideman, and Allen. But I guess that's as good a corps as we started last season with...and ultimately it doesn't matter.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the notion of having to write off a season even before free agency has begun.
Thanks for tryin to calm me down a little, but just when I thought I couldn't be any less enchanted down here...we got rid of major heart and character in #11, we lost the majority of our offense in #16...
Now we're getting rid of the only brains in the defense department?
I know everyone here thinks I'm a moron, but for people to want to get rid of Ballard for more mediocrity...
Are there people, that didn't think 6'4 260lbs 34 RegSeasPts StanleyCupChamp would help this club, the same people that think getting rid of Ballard (the only D-man besides kuli people actually want) to bring in a 6'4 215lbs 26 RegSeaspts guy would help???????
Tallon sure as hell seems to be that guy.
You obviously have no clue who Berglund is. I would do this trade any day of the week.
Although I would miss Ballard if we traded him, I think landing Berglund would be a great move. Lets keep in mind too that the guy is only 22 years old! I see his numbers getting better for sure.
