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06-25-2010, 06:26 PM
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ugh.... is this confirmed that Grabner has been included in the trade? If so I'm not so stoked on this trade.
Ya, I think it is confirmed. I am not too thrilled about it either.
But we have until the 25th pick to change the deal, or not do it at all.

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Um Schroeder's biggest strength is his skating. He was rated a top 3 skater in the draft last year after Moore and Kreider.
Get out of here with those facts.

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When did Ballard become a "legit #1 dman"?
...nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnow.

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Based on what? Every single stat out there says otherwise.
No they don't. Hes playing on Florida, the worst team in the worst division in hockey. Do you think that players ever got up to play against Florida? Not a chance.

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Grabner was also a Nonis pick so I doubt Gillis really has any attatchment to him. Canucks have Hodgson, Schroeder, and Rodin entering the roster in the next two years. Grabner is good but you have to give to get.

Bernier is as useless as they come with absolutely no value
25th overall in an average draft isn't that appealing. Look how many first rounders getting thrown around like candies this year, it reminds me of the 2007 draft.
Grabner has potential and is probably the center piece of this trade.

However, this is all contigent on if the player Gillis likes is not on the board. I'm thinking Kabanov is high on his list and this gives Canucks flexibility. This is an excellent deal that Gillis controls.

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no need to be conflicted about it, its obviously a bad trade for us. Can you imagine giving up two first round and two second round for a player who never play in the playoff before.
I could imagine that.

However this is a bottom 6 winger making 2 million, a decent but not exactly can't miss prospect, and a late first for a guy who can play 22-23 minutes a game in any situation and is rarely injured.

Quit whining.

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Ballard isn't a legit #1 but he's a guy who can easily play top pairing minutes at EV/PK. He can play on the PP as well but he's not great at that - that's what stops him from being a top end defenceman.

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Schroeder has a higher ceiling then Grabner generally.

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Ballard might not be Duncan Keith, but he instantly becomes our most rounded defenseman and guy most capable of playing huge minutes. As someone else said, him, Ehrhoff, and Edler make up a VERY VERY nice top 3 D core for the next 5 years or so.

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No they don't. Hes playing on Florida, the worst team in the worst division in hockey. Do you think that players ever got up to play against Florida? Not a chance.
Great argument. I'm sure you've also watched him play. (I have, defensively he's our best defenseman, he's the only defenseman we have that will be physical, and he's not completely useless offensively and moves the puck decently.)

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It's easier to fill a bottom 6 forward hole than a top 4 D man hole.
Grabner might even be a top 6 winger on Florida now that Horton is gone.

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I'm confident that Gillis knows what he's doing, but I love Grabner as a player. This is hard to take.

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Oreskovich has got nice ... ah .... shoulder pads.

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I think people are upset about Grabner becuase we've watched him struggle for so long and he finally did something last year. We're all emotionally invested. Now when he may break out we're losing him. If he was the exact same player but the Canucks had just traded for him I don't think the reaction would be as strong.

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How about some realism? While I don't think Ballard is a #1 Dman, he is darn good and you have to give something to get something. Grabner is a good prospect, but the Canucks dealt from an area of strength to help and area of weakness.

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This might turn into a babe thread.

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That's the Oreskovich we traded for? Gillis is a genius.

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Honestly I think Grabner is getting overrated a lot around here. Let's not forget that he's a pretty one-dimensional player, streaky, and small. He's a good offensive player and he will be a good NHLer but he certainly was expendable on this team.

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Look at those hipchecks....he will be liked in Vancouver (pending it goes through).

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Um Schroeder's biggest strength is his skating. He was rated a top 3 skater in the draft last year after Moore and Kreider.
Schroeder is a quick player, not a fast player. Schroeder is a slower Raymond, Grabner is FAST, he can take it outside and burn it. That kind of speed helps you more then does Schroeder/Raymond speed. It can help you gain the zone and back off the defense far better then what Schroeder can.

I like Schroeder but we have no other player that brings the type of skill set that Grabner has. Hes a potential 30 goal scorer which by itself is worth more then Ballard.

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Grabner might even be a top 6 winger on Florida now that Horton is gone.
So? He wasn't going to be here.

We need Ballard FAR more than we need either Grabner OR that draft pick.

People need to realize...We need to win now...Like in the next 1-3 years now. Our window is here.

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Michael Grabner was bound to get traded with Raymond, Hodgson, Schroeder and a bunch others, but Victor Oreskovich?

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I disagree, Grabner has something that neither of those guys have. Blazing speed, and speed kills. bad bad trade.
The canucks are still a very fast team.

Grabner has potential, Ballard can play NOW.

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I think people are upset about Grabner becuase we've watched him struggle for so long and he finally did something last year. We're all emotionally invested. Now when he may break out we're losing him. If he was the exact same player but the Canucks had just traded for him I don't think the reaction would be as strong.
Coupled with the fact that we all went on the emotional ride of releasing of information.

Also we've never been in a position where we have good players on our farm that teams actually want.

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Schroeder is a quick player, not a fast player. Schroeder is a slower Raymond, Grabner is FAST, he can take it outside and burn it. That kind of speed helps you more then does Schroeder/Raymond speed. It can help you gain the zone and back off the defense far better then what Schroeder can.

I like Schroeder but we have no other player that brings the type of skill set that Grabner has. Hes a potential 30 goal scorer which by itself is worth more then Ballard.
We don't need a "potential" 30 goal scorer, that's the problem. We need defensemen who can be physical and defend (and PK). We were the 2nd highest scoring team and have a ton of offensive prospects.

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