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Do you like the (1st round) pick?

View Poll Results: Do you like the pick of McIlrath?
Yes 63 25.71%
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06-26-2010, 12:11 PM
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There's a common misconception on HFBoards: While for GMs the most valuable asset is what helps the team most, here on HFBoards most valuable asset means either most potential or highest trade value. And this dissonance in perception leads to all those trades and picks being so surprising for so many here.
No. Its clearly a logical strategy. If you have the players with the most value, regardless of position, you will be able to build a better team. Its a pretty simple concept to grasp. You draft for the best talent and trade for organizational need. That is how you get the most out of your resources. Its a pretty easy concept to grasp.

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06-26-2010, 12:15 PM
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Where did ISS have Hugh Jessiman and Pavel Brendl? Jamie Lundmark? Al Montoya?
How is this relevant to last nights decision? It has zero impact on whether the Rangers drafted Fowler or McI.

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06-26-2010, 12:16 PM
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god. im still not over this pick..

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06-26-2010, 12:34 PM
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No. Its clearly a logical strategy. If you have the players with the most value, regardless of position, you will be able to build a better team. Its a pretty simple concept to grasp. You draft for the best talent and trade for organizational need. That is how you get the most out of your resources. Its a pretty easy concept to grasp.
I don't agree with that at all. It's nice to have trade chips but you're assuming that by taking the highest "value", that player will retain that value and be valued that highly by all other teams, and that you can make a trade at will. You're better off just picking the player you think helps your team the most. Montoya is a good example of taking the highest value, but ending up with a player who doesn't help your team. By the time we found a trade for him his value was much different than it was on draft day.

Based on that, and what I've read about our pick, I like it. This guy seems like exactly the kind of player we haven't had on our blue line in forever. How many times over the years have we complained about our soft D, and about opponents getting garbage goals around the net because guys (like Rozsival) can't or won't clear the crease.

Yea, we need top line talent too, but we only have 1 first round pick. The last time we draft a "top line" talent around 10th overall was Jessiman and that was a disaster. I'm happy at least we got a player who brings something to the table that we're lacking.


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06-26-2010, 12:38 PM
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No. Its clearly a logical strategy. If you have the players with the most value, regardless of position, you will be able to build a better team. Its a pretty simple concept to grasp. You draft for the best talent and trade for organizational need. That is how you get the most out of your resources. Its a pretty easy concept to grasp.
You usually can't trade for organizational need at will because this isn't NHL10 or EHM. If a player isn't actually on the block you usually have to pay more than he is actually worth. There is no common chart of value for players as if they were a currency...

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06-26-2010, 12:48 PM
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For what its worth, Dobber said this about him:

McIlrath, Dylan (D)- Moose Jaw Warriors, WHL
The exact kind of player you wish the WHL would produce every year, McIlrath is a ton of fun to watch. Remember
Milan Lucic's dominant Memorial Cup performance? McIlrath can do that from the blueline. Watching the 6'5, 215
lbs rearguard run down two or three forecheckers by himself is like a kung fu movie- you expect that the others will
jump in and help, but before they can, the nasty rearguard has put them on their rear-end and cleared the puck.
McIlrath is a wild stallion at this point. His base hockey skills- surprisingly agile, quick feet and hard, crisp passes
that almost always find their way north- get overshadowed by his style, but he wouldn't be a plus-18 if he ran around
recklessly. Oh, did we mention he's also a great fighter? Nevertheless, with just 24 points during the regular season
and a sole assist in the playoffs, McIlrath doesn't get to touch the puck as much as one would like in the offensive
zone. If he can find a balance between playing his position and moving the puck, he could be the most feared
defender in the league since Dion Phaneuf.
Potential: Top-pairing defender, 5-40-45, 120+ PIM

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06-26-2010, 12:55 PM
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For what its worth, Dobber said this about him:

McIlrath, Dylan (D)- Moose Jaw Warriors, WHL
The exact kind of player you wish the WHL would produce every year, McIlrath is a ton of fun to watch. Remember
Milan Lucic's dominant Memorial Cup performance? McIlrath can do that from the blueline. Watching the 6'5, 215
lbs rearguard run down two or three forecheckers by himself is like a kung fu movie- you expect that the others will
jump in and help, but before they can, the nasty rearguard has put them on their rear-end and cleared the puck.
McIlrath is a wild stallion at this point. His base hockey skills- surprisingly agile, quick feet and hard, crisp passes
that almost always find their way north- get overshadowed by his style, but he wouldn't be a plus-18 if he ran around
recklessly. Oh, did we mention he's also a great fighter? Nevertheless, with just 24 points during the regular season
and a sole assist in the playoffs, McIlrath doesn't get to touch the puck as much as one would like in the offensive
zone. If he can find a balance between playing his position and moving the puck, he could be the most feared
defender in the league since Dion Phaneuf.
Potential: Top-pairing defender, 5-40-45, 120+ PIM



Sounds like Clark knows what the **** hes doing folks.

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06-26-2010, 01:49 PM
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No. Its clearly a logical strategy. If you have the players with the most value, regardless of position, you will be able to build a better team. Its a pretty simple concept to grasp. You draft for the best talent and trade for organizational need. That is how you get the most out of your resources. Its a pretty easy concept to grasp.
Haha, you're the gm of which team again? I can't wait to see you guys win the cup this year - you really seem to have it all figured out.


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06-26-2010, 03:07 PM
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The thing that shouldn't be lost about this kid is his character. Watch the interviews with him, he's a great kid with a strong personality and the ability to learn. His coaches had never seen anyone like him improve as much as he did over the year. The scouts saw the same things.

He was one of the main reasons the Calgary Hitmen were almost upset by the Moose Jaw Warriors. Come playoff time this guy is lights out, tough to play against, and able to do all the intangibles you wish you had.

He wasn't exactly a nobody by any means, he was in the Top Prospects game ... as well was coveted by many of the teams between 11 and 15 (with other teams trying to trade up to get him).

Yes, it will be forever tied with picking McIlrath OVER Fowler / Gormley, but I think the Rangers have those guys already.

This is definitely NOT the pedigree of player you can get in the later rounds of a draft. This is a hard hitting (Dion Phaneuf), crease clearing bruiser (Derian Hatcher) who isn't a bad skater. It's probably very underrated (and yes, many scouts wanting this guy that high is a sign that they knew how good he was).

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06-26-2010, 03:34 PM
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The last time Ranger fans hated a pick this much was when they drafted a guy named Derek Stepan.
I don't remember it being quite this bad.

That being said, we also didn't draft Stepan 10th overall.

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06-26-2010, 05:07 PM
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That is absolutely the pick we need, in the slot that was worth getting him at.

We needed a younger Donald Brashear when there were pure snipers available that could have much better addressed this teams needs. But as long as we got "attitude" now, and someone that could be the **** out of you, but we sure as hell know that that helps put the puck in the net. The most disgusting pick of the already horrid organization. I hate this pick by all means, even if he becomes Tyler Myers or Shea Weber, this organization has no idea how to draft to team needs.
What??? If this kid becomes a meaner version of either one of those guys I would be doing back-flips. Obviously they do if we as fans know this team needs toughness on the blue line and the just addressed it. The draft isn't all about offensive talent.

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