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06-27-2010, 11:42 AM
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I'm fine with this. I'm glad Homer isn't overpaying anyone. We can always hold out with the current team and have Leighton start. We can always sign UFA's or make a move at the deadline.

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06-27-2010, 12:22 PM
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Just get Mason.

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06-27-2010, 12:26 PM
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RT @RealKyper: Flyers/ Nabokov talks appear to be over. Asking price was way too rich.
I said several times in the first few pages of this topic that if he's asking for like 5 mil (like some expected us to sign him for) then he's likely going to get himself Biron'd. That or he'll end up going to Russia. One or the other.

Us and San Jose are really the only teams with a pressing need for a starter and San Jose won't take Nabokov back. Tampa can just stick with Smith/Niitty if they want to. He really doesn't have many options here. In fact, we're probably his best option.

What I don't understand though is how in the hell do Nabokov and his agent not see what kind of market they're in when armchair GMs can?
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I'm fine with this. I'm glad Homer isn't overpaying anyone. We can always hold out with the current team and have Leighton start. We can always sign UFA's or make a move at the deadline.
God no. That's such a horrible idea.

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06-27-2010, 12:28 PM
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06-27-2010, 12:32 PM
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God no. That's such a horrible idea.
Why is it such a horrible idea? Leighton is still young and his big bodied style of play fits our team well. He can continue to grow as a goalie with this team.

Trust me, I don't even like Leighton, but I'd MUCH rather have him as our starter in the regular season then overpay an old player like Nabby.

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06-27-2010, 12:33 PM
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I said several times in the first few pages of this topic that if he's asking for like 5 mil (like some expected us to sign him for) then he's likely going to get himself Biron'd. That or he'll end up going to Russia. One or the other.

Us and San Jose are really the only teams with a pressing need for a starter and San Jose won't take Nabokov back. Tampa can just stick with Smith/Niitty if they want to. He really doesn't have many options here. In fact, we're probably his best option.

What I don't understand though is how in the hell do Nabokov and his agent not see what kind of market they're in when armchair GMs can?
Hell, ESPN had an article in which Ellis basically said you have to worry a bit more about finding a job than maximizing your contract. So, even the players are aware of this.

I would suspect Nabokov and his agent are aware of this, but maybe he just wants to actually see what the market is... and/or stay in the west. Hell, maybe he's even interested in playing in the KHL.

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06-27-2010, 12:33 PM
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Trust me, I don't even like Leighton, but I'd MUCH rather have him as our starter in the regular season then overpay an old player like Nabby.
I'd take almost anyone over Leighton.

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06-27-2010, 12:36 PM
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I'd take almost anyone over Leighton.
You'd overpay a goalie and put our team in a bad cap situation not only this year, but for coming years rather than Leighton? You people blow my mind.

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You'd overpay a goalie and put our team in a bad cap situation not only this year, but for coming years rather than Leighton? You people blow my mind.
...why would you assume we'd "overpay?" The goalie market will be very modest contractually this year (or at least should be if the GMs aren't idiots).

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06-27-2010, 12:43 PM
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Why is it such a horrible idea? Leighton is still young and his big bodied style of play fits our team well. He can continue to grow as a goalie with this team.

Trust me, I don't even like Leighton, but I'd MUCH rather have him as our starter in the regular season then overpay an old player like Nabby.
This has been done over and over again. it's a horrible idea because it's Michael freaking Leighton. Backed up by Brian freaking Boucher. Leighton showed in the series against the Blackhawks why he isn't a good goalie.

His style is exactly what you described it as. "Big bodied". His style is simply to just keep his big ass in the net so that shooters don't have much to shoot at. That's literally his only redeeming quality, except for maybe a decent glove hand. You could fit a train through his five-hole, his lateral movement is nothing special and sub-par at times, and his reflexes are also nothing special. His rebound control is poor. If he were a small goalie then there's no doubt in my mind that he wouldn't be in the NHL.

I mean, did any of you guys watch him in Carolina? Or here for that matter? He was a waiver wire-pickup who never got to hold the reigns for a team before last season for a reason. The only reason he even scrapes by as a starter with us is because we have arguably the best defense in the league and a terrific coach. Those two things combined show on the ice because they're able to take block shots well and clear out rebounds well. Michael Leighton wouldn't survive on a team like...the Lightning or Islanders for instance.

Who says we would have to over-pay for someone anyway? Nabokov is one goalie that's going to have to either price himself down eventually or bolt to Russia. There's still plenty of other options available for cheap in free agency.

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Hell, ESPN had an article in which Ellis basically said you have to worry a bit more about finding a job than maximizing your contract. So, even the players are aware of this.

I would suspect Nabokov and his agent are aware of this, but maybe he just wants to actually see what the market is... and/or stay in the west. Hell, maybe he's even interested in playing in the KHL.
That's one of the various reasons why I would like Ellis if we can't afford Nabokov or get a decent trade for a goalie done.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nabokov is willing to go to the KHL for the money. He seems like a money kind of guy.

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You'd overpay a goalie and put our team in a bad cap situation not only this year, but for coming years rather than Leighton? You people blow my mind.
Again, why are you assuming we'd have to overpay someone? This is a buyer's market this year, just like last year. Mason, Ellis, Biron, and Turco should all come relatively cheap.

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06-27-2010, 12:52 PM
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You'd overpay a goalie and put our team in a bad cap situation not only this year, but for coming years rather than Leighton? You people blow my mind.


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06-27-2010, 12:57 PM
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Hell, ESPN had an article in which Ellis basically said you have to worry a bit more about finding a job than maximizing your contract. So, even the players are aware of this.

I would suspect Nabokov and his agent are aware of this, but maybe he just wants to actually see what the market is... and/or stay in the west. Hell, maybe he's even interested in playing in the KHL.
His agent did say the KHL is an option in Carchidi's article today.

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06-27-2010, 01:10 PM
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I'd take almost anyone over Leighton.
Your avy is jinxing our chances!

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His agent did say the KHL is an option in Carchidi's article today.
of course he's going to say that in order to try to maximize his contract

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i still think we should go with Mason. ah well

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There's a shocker

Ellis or Mason please!!!
yes!!!!!!! more average at best goaltending

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06-27-2010, 01:27 PM
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yes!!!!!!! more average at best goaltending


Unfortunately, the high quality goalies are already locked up.

The longer this drags on the more I worry about Leighton being re-signed.

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06-27-2010, 01:39 PM
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yes!!!!!!! more average at best goaltending
Mason isnt average... 2.54 gaa, .914 sv% on pretty much average teams for a long long time isnt average....at all

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Mason isnt average... 2.54 gaa, .914 sv% on pretty much average teams for a long long time isnt average....at all


I am not saying we should overpay for Nabokov. Just get sick and tired of a differnet goalie every year.

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06-27-2010, 01:48 PM
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we better not overpay for him. He is getting old

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and he turns 35 in july so 35+ contract is in effect
No it isn't.

The date which is used to determine age is June 30th of the year in which the contract takes effect. His contract would take effect this season, therefore the date we are concerned with is June 30, 2010. At that date he is 34 years old. I quoted this from the CBA, but can't recall if that was in this thread or another.

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No it isn't.

The date which is used to determine age is June 30th of the year in which the contract takes effect. His contract would take effect this season, therefore the date we are concerned with is June 30, 2010. At that date he is 34 years old. I quoted this from the CBA, but can't recall if that was in this thread or another.
ok, because I did have questions about that very thing when it came to Nabokov. That is good news then if do in fact decide to sign him and he recides to reire before the contract is done.

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Apparently Philly won't be able to sign him, plus Nabokov is willing to test the free agent market... Damn wtf is wrong with Philly?

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Apparently Philly won't be able to sign him, plus Nabokov is willing to test the free agent market... Damn wtf is wrong with Philly?
Sounds to me like the Flyers weren't willing to overpay for his services. If that's the case, I'm more than okay with that.

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Apparently Philly won't be able to sign him, plus Nabokov is willing to test the free agent market... Damn wtf is wrong with Philly?
I'd imagine Homer knows he doesn't exactly have deep pockets and that the goalie market is rich this year. He probably has a number in his head and is sticking to his guns. I, for one, welcome it.

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