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The Official 2010 Red Wings Draft Thread Part 2

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I think we should trade our first for two seconds and play it safe, how about you?

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I think we should trade our first for two seconds and play it safe, how about you?
I like the sound of that

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Too late, Chicago already beat us to the punch and traded half of their team for the entire second round of draft picks.

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I like the sound of that

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Now you are putting words in my mouth. I said before, and I reiterate, I don't believe that Boston and Calgary are ideal models for team development, seeing as how it seems to me that both teams put a particular emphasis on big players. (like, everyone on Boston's team)

And I expect that people may disagree, but I don't necessarily expect personal vendettas. I get enough of that **** on RWC. That's why I prefer it here, I don't press my bull crap beliefs on you, and you don't press yours on me. A democratic forum.
I am not putting words in your mouth that is how I understood your post when I read it, so if that isn't what you meant word it a little differently.

A forum is for discussing and debating the world of hockey and when you make bold statements like Rafalski is worthless, or he can't play defense, people are going to disagree with you. If you make harsh statements like that expect harsh statements back.

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Your talking about trading the first thread for 2 2nd threads to play it safe? Or did I miss understand you?

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I think we should trade our first for two seconds and play it safe, how about you?
I still think that would of been the best option, even though I've really grown to like Sheahan in a relatively short amount of time.

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Your talking about trading the first thread for 2 2nd threads to play it safe? Or did I miss understand you?

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I am not putting words in your mouth that is how I understood your post when I read it, so if that isn't what you meant word it a little differently.

A forum is for discussing and debating the world of hockey and when you make bold statements like Rafalski is worthless, or he can't play defense, people are going to disagree with you. If you make harsh statements like that expect harsh statements back.
I simply reject your false god.

I won't be drawn into another debate about why we pay the man 6 million dollars, when Lidstrom retires he will show his worth, for better or worse.

So you admit that you are still chasing after me because of my rant on Raffles? That's funny. Let me pose a hypothetical question right here and now for you, what would you value more at 6 million dollars, an offensive defenseman like Rafalski or a physical, defensive d-man like Konstantinov?

My opinion, which is simply that, is that in our defensive structure I BELIEVE that defense should come first, I do not believe that Rafalski plays defense well enough to justify him earning 6 million dollars worth of salary; I already promised someone on these boards, I can't remember who (Pocketgnome, maybe?), that I wouldn't argue the point any further, seeing as how there isn't anything that the Wings can do about Rafalski at this point. I intend to keep my promise.

Just wanted to reiterate, in a quick post, why I value what I do. Keep your jihad on me going, if you please, it really doesn't phase me that much, seeing as how I am also a RWC veteran. It was just a little annoying at first, I hadn't encountered that kind of obsessive pursuit on a forum for a while, thank you for reminding me.

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I said bold statements like the Rafalski ones, you have plenty of other both statements in many posts that don't pertain to Rafi. I only comment on the post with bold statements I disagree with, only problem is we disagree on pretty much everything.

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I said bold statements like the Rafalski ones, you have plenty of other both statements in many posts that don't pertain to Rafi. I only comment on the post with bold statements I disagree with, only problem is we disagree on pretty much everything.

You have to remember how Rafalski was sold to us. As a great defensive defensive defensemen.

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Was he really? I didn't pay much attention the first few years after lock out.

But all I know is he is an important player and his role of being a right handed shot on the PP and capable of playing on the first pairing at even strength and playing a good puck possesion game is pretty rare. He may be overpaid, but he is still the 2nd best defensemen on our team, otherwise he wouldn't be on the first pairing right? He was also a first pairing defensemen on team USA over the likes of EJ and JJ. He isn't the useless terrible defensemen someone is making him out to be.

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Rafailski needs a serious paycut. He's not worth that much money.

Anybody wanna try ranking our prospects with these new guys included?

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Ah yes! The Raffy argument again. He's got an NTC. He's signed. It sucks. He can't play defense. Fine.

But he isn't going anywhere. Can't we complain about something that might, even if it seems impossible, happen? Raffy isn't getting traded, waived, bought out, dying... etc. Let it go.

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No love for Rafalski? I've always liked the dude and call me insane but I've never questioned his defense capability.

Guy might not be the biggest man in the world but does what needs to be done, a good skater with great balance and seems always be aware and on control of things, great nerves.

And like TheFirebird said, we will see the true nature of Rafalski when Lidström retires (if he ever does) and I'm sure that he will do just fine.

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His name is Raflawski, please get it right

His defensive game has got really bad, and it scares me to think how bad he would be if he didn't have #5 playing next to him.

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He may be overpaid, but he is still the 2nd best defensemen on our team, otherwise he wouldn't be on the first pairing right?
Guys who've played on the first pairing over the years:
Larry Murphy
Dmitri Bykov
Freddie Olausson
Matthieu Dandenault (even Lidstrom in his prime couldn't make that look ok)

So no, first pairing doesn't mean jack.

IMO, Brad Stuart is a better defenseman than Rafalski.

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Why? Are we starting a circle jerk? I know I'm a lefty, so they wouldn't use a first or second round pick to acquire me

Sorry, I understand the value of right handed players on a team full of lefties, I just couldn't help it.
Its all good. Its just good to keep the team diverse and get some talent from the lefty and righty shots. It would be nice for once to have another righty sniping and being able to open things up.

I must say, we do have a nice blend of prospects in our system now.

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No love for Rafalski? I've always liked the dude and call me insane but I've never questioned his defense capability.

Guy might not be the biggest man in the world but does what needs to be done, a good skater with great balance and seems always be aware and on control of things, great nerves.

And like TheFirebird said, we will see the true nature of Rafalski when Lidström retires (if he ever does) and I'm sure that he will do just fine.
I like this guy! You should post around here more often.

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Guys who've played on the first pairing over the years:
Larry Murphy
Dmitri Bykov
Freddie Olausson
Matthieu Dandenault (even Lidstrom in his prime couldn't make that look ok)

So no, first pairing doesn't mean jack.

IMO, Brad Stuart is a better defenseman than Rafalski.
Agrees with this.

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Guys who've played on the first pairing over the years:
Larry Murphy
Dmitri Bykov
Freddie Olausson
Matthieu Dandenault (even Lidstrom in his prime couldn't make that look ok)

So no, first pairing doesn't mean jack.

IMO, Brad Stuart is a better defenseman than Rafalski.
Stuart may play better defense then Rafi but Rafi can move the puck better than Stuey. So would Rafi be the better defensemen? I would say it is close but I would give the edge to Rafi because his puck moving is just that much better than Stuarts while their is quite a gap in defensive play, it isn't as big.

And first pairing on USA does mean something because he was on the first line over JJ and EJ.

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For anyone interested, BDS has posted a Draft review, and I haven't read it but it is really long and Kyle knows his stuff, and these sort of posts by him are almost always great reads.

http://babcocksdeathstare.com/2010-a...review-10.html

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For anyone interested, BDS has posted a Draft review, and I haven't read it but it is really long and Kyle knows his stuff, and these sort of posts by him are almost always great reads.

http://babcocksdeathstare.com/2010-a...review-10.html
Great reads?
It's nearly garbage.
[mod: deleted] Which is OK, I suppose, so long as you are writing about it.
Second, the writing it brutal, and filled with typos, Freudian slips (in ADDICTION TO a drinking related ...), and general meaningless prospect reviews that offer nothing more than we're already seeing everywhere else.

There's a site that I am not bookmarking.


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Pretty nice draft in general. Surprised that we drafted so many forwards. Jarnkrok and Pulkkinen are very, very nice picks.

BUT I have a bad feeling that for the next 20 years I will want to kill Kenny and Nill for not getting Galiev in the 3rd. I guess... they just had no balls to draft a Russsian kid. Now I have to watch how he blossoms into superstar next to that ape Ovechkin...

I hope that Louis-Marc Aubry proves me wrong and becomes better than Galiev. Good luck kid!

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