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06-27-2010, 02:55 PM
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Ott/Clb and Ott/Bos

To Blue Jackets:
Spezza

To Senators:
Voracek
Filatov
1st round pick 2011


Sens then turn around and grab Savard:

To Bruins:
2nd round pick and B level prospect

To Senators
Savard

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06-27-2010, 02:56 PM
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To Blue Jackets:
Spezza

To Senators:
Voracek
Filatov
1st round pick 2011


Sens then turn around and grab Savard:

To Bruins:
2nd round pick and B level prospect

To Senators
Savard
Columbus never does that, nor should they.

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Shouldn't be enough for Boston, but it keeps him away from Toronto.

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06-27-2010, 02:58 PM
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Too much from CBJ. But for BOS i'll take Wiercoch and a 2nd

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06-27-2010, 02:58 PM
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Ottawa says no.

I don't care how many Russian/Eastern European players you add to the list.

Also, Spezza is a top 15 center in the NHL. I don't know why people think we should just give him away.

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06-27-2010, 03:04 PM
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Sens then turn around and grab Savard:

To Bruins:
2nd round pick and B level prospect

To Senators
Savard
If you are serious then you leave me no choice but to mock you:

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Also, Spezza is a top 15 center in the NHL. I don't know why people think we should just give him away.
Don't worry because Savard is also a top 15 center in the NHL and I don't know why people think Boston should just give him away either. And that Columbus deal looks pretty sweet for Ottawa IMO, a million times better than what Boston would get for Savard. I would easily trade Savard for Filatov, Voracek and a first.

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06-27-2010, 03:09 PM
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Don't worry because Savard is also a top 15 center in the NHL and I don't know why people think Boston should just give him away either. And that Columbus deal looks pretty sweet for Ottawa IMO, a million times better than what Boston would get for Savard. I would easily trade Savard for Filatov, Voracek and a first.
I don't think Savard is a top 15 center. Sorry.

At some point age enters in the equation too. Savard is 33. Spezza is 27.


Spezza (Just turned 27 - June):
Season: 171 goals, 304 assists, 475 points (464 games)
=> 0.37goals pg, 0.66 assists pg, 1.03 ppg

Playoffs: 14 goals, 32 assists, 46 points (46 games)
=> 0.30gpg, 0.70 apg, 1.00 ppg


Savard (Turning 33 this off season - July)
Season: 205 goals, 491 assists, 696 points (782 games)
=> 0.26 gpg, 0.63 apg, 0.89 ppg

Playoffs: 8 goals, 14 assists, 22 points (25 games)
=> 0.32 gpg, 0.56 apg, 0.88 ppg

Excuse me for not being eager to trade for a 6 year older player, with concussion problems, who is not as good of a performer.

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06-27-2010, 03:21 PM
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From an Ottawa POV thats what I d want from Clb. Maybe Voracek+Brassard.
But Ottawa would need to give more to Boston for sure,Wier+2nd or Cowen?

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06-27-2010, 03:26 PM
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From an Ottawa POV thats what I d want from Clb. Maybe Voracek+Brassard.
But Ottawa would need to give more to Boston for sure,Wier+2nd or Cowen?
Heh. I'm not sure how to respond to this.

Why, in your mind, would Ottawa want to give up their best player for a player in Russia with no intention of coming back, another Eastern European who could bolt to the KHL at any time, and a future 1st round pick?

What's the value there.

As to your comment about Savard, the current speculation is that the Bruins are dealing from a position of WEAKNESS and are unlikely to get anything resembling market value. Again, why do we want to overpay with stud defensive prospects to get him? Sure he's great, but we already have Mike Fisher and Matt Cullen (the latter of which is a UFA, but he's cheaper than Savard). We need wingers, not concussion riddled centers.

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columbus would not make this deal.
columbus should not make this deal.

giving up way too much.. i don't care who is coming back.



and a player in russia with no intention of coming back? awwwwww, you're confused.

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06-27-2010, 03:34 PM
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columbus would not make this deal.
columbus should not make this deal.

giving up way too much.. i don't care who is coming back.

and a player in russia with no intention of coming back? ok, you're confused.
Oh I'm sorry. How did Radulov work out for Nashville? How about Zherdev? Is he even still around? What about Cashin' Yashin?

The league is full of such examples.

Ottawa, by the way, pretty much has a no Russian policy... We've barely drafted any in several years, and except for Kovalev we haven't tried to sign any either.

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That Columbus deal is awful

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06-27-2010, 03:50 PM
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Heh. I'm not sure how to respond to this.

Why, in your mind, would Ottawa want to give up their best player for a player in Russia with no intention of coming back, another Eastern European who could bolt to the KHL at any time, and a future 1st round pick?

What's the value there.

As to your comment about Savard, the current speculation is that the Bruins are dealing from a position of WEAKNESS and are unlikely to get anything resembling market value. Again, why do we want to overpay with stud defensive prospects to get him? Sure he's great, but we already have Mike Fisher and Matt Cullen (the latter of which is a UFA, but he's cheaper than Savard). We need wingers, not concussion riddled centers.
, What??? Filatov has already confirmed multiple times he's coming back next year...And saying Voracek is an Eastern European who could bolt for the KHL at anytime is just like saying Karlsson will.. There isn't any chance. Voracek just scored 50 points in his sophomore year, and is Czech, what possible reason would he bolt for the KHL?

No chance we trade Voracek. Filatov, next year's first round pick sure, Brassard, if a center is coming back ya! But Voracek isn't heading anywhere

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06-27-2010, 03:51 PM
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, What??? Filatov has already confirmed multiple times he's coming back next year...And saying Voracek is an Eastern European who could bolt for the KHL at anytime is just like saying Karlsson will.. There isn't any chance. Voracek just scored 50 points in his sophomore year, and is Czech, what possible reason would he bolt for the KHL?

No chance we trade Voracek. Filatov, next year's first round pick sure, Brassard, if a center is coming back ya! But Voracek isn't heading anywhere
If you take a look at a map, you will notice that the Czech Republic is a lot closer to Russia (and I believe has a few KHL teams), than Sweden is.. not to mention that it'd be more likely for Karlsson to bolt to the SEL than KHL, and even then, we have a transfer agreement with the SEL.

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06-27-2010, 04:00 PM
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As for the sensible Sens fans: done in a fraction of a heartbeat for both deals.

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If you take a look at a map, you will notice that the Czech Republic is a lot closer to Russia (and I believe has a few KHL teams), than Sweden is.. not to mention that it'd be more likely for Karlsson to bolt to the SEL than KHL, and even then, we have a transfer agreement with the SEL.
You're missing the point, my post says they have just as much of a chance as one another for leaving. You're absolutely ridiculous.

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As for the sensible Sens fans: done in a fraction of a heartbeat for both deals.
Oh, you mean the "sensible sens fans" who, against the ENTIRE Sens board, on draft night, argued that it was absolutely ludicrous to trade for David Rundblad and we should have drafted Tarasenko with the 16th overall pick, despite our organization repeatedly emphasizing that we have no interest in Russian players?

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I think with Rundblad one of Wiercoch or Cowen could be traded, not that we need to.

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Howson would say no if it were just Voracek for Spezza, let alone Voracek + Filatov + 1st for him.

I don't care if you think that's ridiculous, I'm saying that based on the fact that Howson has stated that he had no interest in trading our recent #4 overall for Spezza straight up.

Also Filatov is coming back and has intention to come back. Some people don't know what they're talking about and obviously don't keep up on Jackets news.

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Voracek bolting for the KHL....ROFL that's the dumbest comment I've seen in quite a while. Voracek is on the rise in the NHL, will be playing top line this season next to Nash, and is one of two untouchables on Columbus. What possible incentive is there for him to go to the KHL? He wants to be in the NHL and there hasn't ever been a whisper of him even thinking about bolting.

Seriously, GTFO. I wouldn't include Voracek in a trade for Spezza anyway.

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I wouldn't include Voracek in a trade for Spezza anyway.
I wouldn't trade Voracek straight up for Spezza.

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You don't get a player like Savard for a 2nd round pick and a prospect unless Mike O'Connell is the GM, and last time I checked he was fired a long time ago.

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I don't think Savard is a top 15 center. Sorry.

At some point age enters in the equation too. Savard is 33. Spezza is 27.


Spezza (Just turned 27 - June):
Season: 171 goals, 304 assists, 475 points (464 games)
=> 0.37goals pg, 0.66 assists pg, 1.03 ppg

Playoffs: 14 goals, 32 assists, 46 points (46 games)
=> 0.30gpg, 0.70 apg, 1.00 ppg


Savard (Turning 33 this off season - July)
Season: 205 goals, 491 assists, 696 points (782 games)
=> 0.26 gpg, 0.63 apg, 0.89 ppg

Playoffs: 8 goals, 14 assists, 22 points (25 games)
=> 0.32 gpg, 0.56 apg, 0.88 ppg

Excuse me for not being eager to trade for a 6 year older player, with concussion problems, who is not as good of a performer.
I guess it's easy to skew the numbers when you take the numbers from early in Savvy's career since it took him longer to develop and the "new NHL" helped his game out quite a bit. Let's look at some more relevant numbers please.

Since the lockout:

Savard
In 361 Regular Season GP => 100-292-392 (1.09PPG)

Spezza
In 353 Regular Season GP => 142-257-399 (1.13PPG)

So yeah, not a big difference but then factor in that most of Spezza's time was centering Heatley and Alfredsson and then consider the fact that out of Savard's 5 seasons since the lockout, he only benefited from one season of Kovalchuk and one good season of Kessel.

I realize that age is a factor but I don't see any reason why Savard shouldn't be thought of in the same company as Spezza.

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