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06-27-2010, 10:53 PM
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Marc Staal?

Glen Sather on RFA Marc Staal talks: "Not a wide gap, a chasm"

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=791784

He'd be better than Hamhuis for the same money, and it wouldn't be a big issue if we lost our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in a weak draft.

RFA sheet? Whaddya think?

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rangers would match

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rangers would match
So what's the downside for us?

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Glen Sather on RFA Marc Staal talks: "Not a wide gap, a chasm"

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=791784

He'd be better than Hamhuis for the same money, and it wouldn't be a big issue if we lost our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in a weak draft.

RFA sheet? Whaddya think?
I'm not opposed to dealing picks for good young players like Staal, but let's not go crazy here with saying its not a big deal to basically have no picks in a draft. Last year at this time this draft was also supposed to be a weak class and it ended up average to slightly above average becasue of the depth. So while it does look like it's not gonna be that strong of a class, things always happen throughout the year to make the classes look stronger.

I would probably have no issue with giving up that many picks for Staal becasue I love him, but it would still be a pretty big deal to deal away all those picks....

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He's probably my favorite defenseman in the NHL, aside from maybe Jay Bouwmeester.

I'd make Sather an offer he may not be able to refuse to get Marc Staal, but somehow I think Sather would still refuse it. Then I'd try the offer sheet route. Like you said, what's the downside if they match? Lose a trade partner? Start a rivalry with an already-rival?

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He will be hard to sign. Both Jordan and Eric are borderline overpaid. The Staal brothers just don't take discounts, not that I blame them.

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Glen Sather on RFA Marc Staal talks: "Not a wide gap, a chasm"

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=791784

He'd be better than Hamhuis for the same money, and it wouldn't be a big issue if we lost our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in a weak draft.

RFA sheet? Whaddya think?
I'd be all for this but didn't the Penguins just trade their 3rd round pick in next year's draft?

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I'm not opposed to dealing picks for good young players like Staal, but let's not go crazy here with saying its not a big deal to basically have no picks in a draft. Last year at this time this draft was also supposed to be a weak class and it ended up average to slightly above average becasue of the depth. So while it does look like it's not gonna be that strong of a class, things always happen throughout the year to make the classes look stronger.

I would probably have no issue with giving up that many picks for Staal becasue I love him, but it would still be a pretty big deal to deal away all those picks....
Doesn't mean we can't get picks back. We'd have a year to do it. And me thinks if we signed a young Marc Staal, we'd be able to trade, oh Brian Strait, for starters.

Anyways, it's pipe dream stuff but it definitely tickles my fancy.

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I'd be all for this but didn't the Penguins just trade their 3rd round pick in next year's draft?
Ugh...you are so right. To a team who would NEVER trade it back to us. Not in a million years.

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Rights to Hamhuis + 2011 1st + Despres for Staal?

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rangers are looking for centers

swap of brothers

plus NYR add some

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I'm not opposed to dealing picks for good young players like Staal, but let's not go crazy here with saying its not a big deal to basically have no picks in a draft. Last year at this time this draft was also supposed to be a weak class and it ended up average to slightly above average becasue of the depth. So while it does look like it's not gonna be that strong of a class, things always happen throughout the year to make the classes look stronger.

I would probably have no issue with giving up that many picks for Staal becasue I love him, but it would still be a pretty big deal to deal away all those picks....
I don't remember hearing that. In fact I'm pretty sure that the depth in this year's draft has been touted for some time. 2011, meanwhile, has looked relatively barren outside of the top few picks.

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I'd be all for this but didn't the Penguins just trade their 3rd round pick in next year's draft?
Hmm, true. Though I'm sure the Pens could re-acquire it if they made the right offer.

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Marc Staal on the Pens is obviously a very juicy prospect, but he is one of those RFA's we really don't have a chance at, I think. Rangers simply cannot let him get away, and will cut lots of players before doing so.

Instead, we should be focusing on Hjalmarsson still, because Chicago have lots of players they have to prioritize over him and will have a much harder time matching... well, anything. At the same time Hjalmarsson would only cost a 2nd rounder in compensation in case Chicago indeed doesn't match.

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Marc Staal on the Pens is obviously a very juicy prospect, but he is one of those RFA's we really don't have a chance at, I think. Rangers simply cannot let him get away, and will cut lots of players before doing so.

Instead, we should be focusing on Hjalmarsson still, because Chicago have lots of players they have to prioritize over him and will have a much harder time matching... well, anything. At the same time Hjalmarsson would only cost a 2nd rounder in compensation in case Chicago indeed doesn't match.
What kind of dman is he?

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I don't remember hearing that. In fact I'm pretty sure that the depth in this year's draft has been touted for some time. 2011, meanwhile, has looked relatively barren outside of the top few picks.



Hmm, true. Though I'm sure the Pens could re-acquire it if they made the right offer.
I defitniely remember hearing after last year's class that this one wasn't that strong. Could have just been in comparison to last year's strong class though.

2011 defintiely looks barren right now, but there's no reason that there can't be guys that step up...it's jsut too early in the process to tell is my point.

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What kind of dman is he?
A young Hamhuis clone. Only with a bigger frame.
Hamhuis is better because he is more experienced and makes fewer positional mistakes. Hjalmarsson's ceiling is higher.

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Instead, we should be focusing on Hjalmarsson still, because Chicago have lots of players they have to prioritize over him and will have a much harder time matching... well, anything. At the same time Hjalmarsson would only cost a 2nd rounder in compensation in case Chicago indeed doesn't match.
Yeah, especially since we could add Superintendent Hjalmars to our growing collection of Simpsons characters - clearly a priority for our organization.

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Yeah, especially since we could add Superintendent Hjalmars to our growing collection of Simpsons characters - clearly a priority for our organization.
Dude, nice.

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You'd have to offer over $4.5 mil to get him I owuld imagine

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A young Hamhuis clone. Only with a bigger frame.
Hamhuis is better because he is more experienced and makes fewer positional mistakes. Hjalmarsson's ceiling is higher.
What would he be looking for? 3M long term? perhaps we can have both him, and Hamhuis? or what i would love...him and Volchenkov!

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You'd have to offer over $4.5 mil to get him I owuld imagine
Here's why that is most likely off by a good margin (remember to add 4 million in bonuses they have to carry):

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=11

Unless they trade Seabrook, of course.... but they'll be loath to do that.

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The problem is that you can only make offer sheets some time in mid July (or something like that iirc). Which means you can't be involved in a UFA market (losing Gonch, Hamhuis e.t.c). By that time, if you miss Hjalmarsson and Stahl, you are left with Satans and Fedotenkos.
So, offer sheets are only if you get screwed/screw up in the UFA period...kind of what happened to Edmonton a couple years ago.


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Not sure if this 100% correct but it looks right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offer_sheet

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Restricted NHL free agents can discuss new contracts with other teams beginning on the day after that season's draft. Discussions must stop if a player accepts a contract from his own team or is confirmed to go into arbitration with his team, be it player- or team-filed.

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What do you think they mean by "discuss". To actually issue the offer sheet?
If that is the case, then my logic was flawed. The reason that teams made offer sheets after the UFA period was because they wanted to go the UFA way first.

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