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06-27-2010, 09:59 PM
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Weber: I wouldn't mind him in place of Gill. IMO Gorges has enough experience to carry some inexperience now. With Markov out I felt it was a distinct possibilty that MAB would be re-signed but now he's gone too. It would be a good opportunity to give Weber a chance to fill in on the powerplay. So to start Spacek/O'Byrne, Hamrlik/Subban, Gorges/Weber.
Oh sweet jesus no. Why the hell would you replace a big defensive defenseman with a small offensive defenseman who is injury prone.

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It's all talk till he does something.
Whether you liked it or not, the halak trade most definitely WAS something.

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Oh sweet jesus no. Why the hell would you replace a big defensive defenseman with a small offensive defenseman who is injury prone.
Gill was great in the playoffs - no doubt. The Habs also won one of the most important games of the year without him. Gill is a PK specialist. My preference would be more offence from the blueline instead of Gill fumbling the puck in his skates. Gill is a defensive specialist mainly because he can't move the puck out of the zone.

Gill is too expensive for what he brings IMO. Weber did okay against Boston in the playoffs a couple of years ago. Savings of 2.25 - .875 = 1.375.

It also opens a spot for O'Byrne who can turn into the defensive specialist that Gill is plus maybe a little more offence too and hitting.

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Besides Trading Hammer or AK...

Can you spell B-U-Y-O-U-T.

I would not be surprised that Hammer would be bought out. I would do it IF another Dman signs in MTL.

We are in a tight spot bacause any "mouvement" we do to bolster our lineup will come at the sacrifice of either our top 6 or our DCorp.

What I mean is that sacrificing a Dman - like Hammer - to upgrade our top 6 will deplete our Dcorp as we do not have a formidable prospect to replace what Hammer brings to the table. Weber? We have plenty of that mold in MTL already.

On the other side if we do not adress our problem of lack of size upfront, we know that we will be run down.

So what do you do? Solidify your D and be patient with Pacioretty, AK and Eller? Or you fragilize your D but bring more depth and size ojn the top 6?

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06-27-2010, 10:19 PM
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Besides Trading Hammer or AK...

Can you spell B-U-Y-O-U-T.

I would not be surprised that Hammer would be bought out. I would do it IF another Dman signs in MTL.

We are in a tight spot bacause any "mouvement" we do to bolster our lineup will come at the sacrifice of either our top 6 or our DCorp.

What I mean is that sacrificing a Dman - like Hammer - to upgrade our top 6 will deplete our Dcorp as we do not have a formidable prospect to replace what Hammer brings to the table. Weber? We have plenty of that mold in MTL already.

On the other side if we do not adress our problem of lack of size upfront, we know that we will be run down.

So what do you do? Solidify your D and be patient with Pacioretty, AK and Eller? Or you fragilize your D but bring more depth and size ojn the top 6?
I really don't see why the Habs would buy out Hamrlik.

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06-27-2010, 10:21 PM
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Love the attitude from PG. I think after a long time of one style GM, maybe we fans are just ready to embrace anything that seems to be the antithesis of BG's style. Not saying I don't agree with Bobsled's ways, but I think the pendulum swings after a while..and after a while maybe we'll go back to something more conservative.

But for now, PG's style is exciting. I really hope we can improve our 5 on 5 scoring. Being shutout 3 times in one series was embarrassing. Obviously we need to improve other areas, but I see even strength scoring as our most pressing need.

At the moment I'd love Frolov because of the 'sexy' he could bring..but he could also end up another Kostitsyn.
Frolov will be another Kostitsyn.

We are better off with Kovalchuk, at least he will be 10x's better than a Frolov or a A.K. . Kovalchuk and Ellers on one line would be 10x's better than Frolov and Andrei Kostitsyn.

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Frolov will be another Kostitsyn.

We are better off with Kovalchuk, at least he will be 10x's better than a Frolov or a A.K. . Kovalchuk and Ellers on one line would be 10x's better than Frolov and Andrei Kostitsyn.
I agree with that. We need another elite offensive talent. who can put the puck in the net. But, way to expensive considering out cap. But i'd be all for it if possible.

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06-27-2010, 10:26 PM
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Gill was great in the playoffs - no doubt. The Habs also won one of the most important games of the year without him. Gill is a PK specialist. My preference would be more offence from the blueline instead of Gill fumbling the puck in his skates. Gill is a defensive specialist mainly because he can't move the puck out of the zone.

Gill is too expensive for what he brings IMO. Weber did okay against Boston in the playoffs a couple of years ago. Savings of 2.25 - .875 = 1.375.

It also opens a spot for O'Byrne who can turn into the defensive specialist that Gill is plus maybe a little more offence too and hitting.
Carle's offensive prowess is about 2 steps above Gill's and his defensive ability is about 15 below Gill's. Gill wins, Carle loses.

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There's still hope in that kid yet!

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Yeah... and all the teams that signed them are still stuck with them. What's your point?

Giving bad really contract is stupid, knowing a contract is bad and bring him to your team is even stupider.
Said stupid GM did gave us a team that went 3 rounds for the first time in...

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06-27-2010, 11:17 PM
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Whether you liked it or not, the halak trade most definitely WAS something.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gainey did the same.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Gainey did the same.
The point was whether or not PG had done anything, He has. He's also appeared to be doing things (and trying to do things) in a more aggressive fashion.

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Yeah... and all the teams that signed them are still stuck with them. What's your point?

Giving bad really contract is stupid, knowing a contract is bad and bring him to your team is even stupider.
my point was Gomez is a contributer. If we had to move him, I am sure we could, but right now, there is NO logical reason to move him beyond the fact you don't like him.

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06-27-2010, 11:47 PM
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Said stupid GM did gave us a team that went 3 rounds for the first time in...
Or 1 pt from being out of the playoffs and lets face it, we went pass the 1st round because of Halak. Do you really think we have A TEAM that can go 3 rounds for the next 3-4 years from now on?

Lets be honest here, our line up will not change much next season, can you tell for sure that we CAN make the playoffs?

The fact that we went to the conference finals seems to make people think that we can do that easily next season. One of our biggest problem ALL season and ALL playoffs was to score goals and so far, we did not made change to fix that problem. Are we still counting Cammalleri and Gionta to score all our goals in the playoffs again or what?

So yeah, the GM did not build A TEAM to make the conference finals, we were simply "lucky" to have the honest goalie in the world at that time. Nothing much to do about the overall team if you ask me.

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The point was whether or not PG had done anything, He has. He's also appeared to be doing things (and trying to do things) in a more aggressive fashion.
I'd argue Gauthier is just as patient as Gainey, but if we see any moves its to shape the team in HIS mold early on.

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Gill was great in the playoffs - no doubt. The Habs also won one of the most important games of the year without him. Gill is a PK specialist. My preference would be more offence from the blueline instead of Gill fumbling the puck in his skates. Gill is a defensive specialist mainly because he can't move the puck out of the zone.

Gill is too expensive for what he brings IMO. Weber did okay against Boston in the playoffs a couple of years ago. Savings of 2.25 - .875 = 1.375.

It also opens a spot for O'Byrne who can turn into the defensive specialist that Gill is plus maybe a little more offence too and hitting.
First, O'Byrne doesn't have anywhere near the ability Gill has, and who better to mentor O'Byrne than Gill who can show Ryan how to use his size to his advantage. Unfortunately, Ryan has poor defensive awareness, he takes too many holding calls and really looks lost out there a lot of the time.

Secondly, it's not what Gill brings on the ice, it's what he also brings off the ice, you need those character guys to keep the younger or less experienced in check, every Habs player has praised Gill this year and it's a big reason why we had the year we did.

Hamrlik, Spacek or O'Byrne are the guys on the outside, someone is probably going to leave this year.

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I think signing Frolov would be more like Kovalev then Andrei. I don't see us offering him a long term contract if we do offer one and if he took it I suspect he'd have a great year along side Cam and Plek but then we'd go an sign him long term and it would flashes of brilliance mixed with mostly mediocrity. I'm not too impressed by this years free agent crop of forwards with top six potential anyway. It seems as though the ones we want are going to be out of our price range anyway.

The only UFA I'd think about throwing money at is Volchenkov, a lot of you have him as Komisarek 2.0 but I disagree. Then play a very similar game but Volchenkov, though just as physical, is far less aggressive. This isn't to say that he doesn't hit as much but he's a lot better at picking the right moment to make a big hit and doesn't go out of his way and position a la Komisarek to do it. He also doesn't take nearly as many penalties which means he's on the ice for key defensive minutes... like on the penalty kill unlike Komisarek who's usually in the box (They had almost the same PIM this season but Volchenkov played twice as many games). The injuries are a bit of a concern but again, so are Komisarek's and I think that kind of comes with the package of getting this type of defense man. But with his injuries I think it's important to note that Volchenkov has not missed a playoff game for Ottawa since making the team.

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Gill is too expensive for what he brings IMO. Weber did okay against Boston in the playoffs a couple of years ago. Savings of 2.25 - .875 = 1.375.

It also opens a spot for O'Byrne who can turn into the defensive specialist that Gill is plus maybe a little more offence too and hitting.
So Weber played well in 3 games two years ago and is ready to unseat Gill just to save 1.3 million dollars. And O'Byrne is going to magically morph into Chris Pronger. Solid plan.

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In order of what habs should sign

Kovalchuk
Mihalek/Volchenkov
Armstrong

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In order of what habs should sign

Kovalchuk
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Gill was great in the playoffs - no doubt. The Habs also won one of the most important games of the year without him. Gill is a PK specialist. My preference would be more offence from the blueline instead of Gill fumbling the puck in his skates. Gill is a defensive specialist mainly because he can't move the puck out of the zone.

Gill is too expensive for what he brings IMO. Weber did okay against Boston in the playoffs a couple of years ago. Savings of 2.25 - .875 = 1.375.

It also opens a spot for O'Byrne who can turn into the defensive specialist that Gill is plus maybe a little more offence too and hitting.
I was one of those who thought the signing of Hal Gill was a big joke. I wouldn't get rid of him today. Not only did he have amazing playoffs but he's also shown some good leadership. I find it necessary to have guys like him around our youngsters.

I also believe you're underrating him. He's probably the defenceman on the team who makes the best first pass. Goofed up on a few occasions but it's better than just giving the puck away the way O'Byrne does.

Weber/O'Byrne could do well together in a year or two. There is no way they should be paired for the next season. OB needs more experience and I am assuming the same goes for Weber.

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Grit, grit, grit.

Right now, the habs have what, 5 spots open on the bottom 6 ? Lapierre, and Pyatt should be signed. Both bring good defensive play and the ability to chip in from time to time. Lapierre brings a physical presense. 3 spots.

Ryan White - A good physical guy (40 hits in 14 games iirc) brings energy and chirps like Lapierre. 2 spots left.

Armstrong ? Artyukhin (more of a pipe dream of mine) ? Malhotra ? Eller ? Malhotra would be a key faceoff guy for us. Can put up points, shouldn't be too expensive and great at faceoffs while throwing some hits.

Last spot. Pouliot if, say Frolov, or Lombardi is signed ? Put Eller in the top 6 if he warrants it and have pools on the 3rd line ? Trade ? Andrew Ladd, maybe ?

How does a line of Lapierre, Ladd and White sound ? Sounds like one agitating line. Ladd has the hands to score, Laps can too, and he's solid defensively. Perfect enviroment for White to learn.

That leaves Moen, Pyatt + Malhotra maybe ? A line that forechecks strong, very well defensively and can chip in too.

I'm sure Montréal will look more at the bottom 6 + backup goalie rather than look at Frolov, or Lombardi, or even Kovalchuk.

FYI, if my math is correct, White's 40 hits in 14 games pro-rated over 82 games = 272 hits. Realistically, he should hit over 200, which is huge.

EDIT: My bad, it was 47 in 16 which is 239

I'd like to point out that in the playoffs, Pouliot had 1 giveaway and 5 takeaways. 4th on team in hits, with limited ice time.

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Too early to have much of an opinion on PG as a GM -- however i think he's a smart guy!

Does he have balls??? Nobody knows yet...

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Grit, grit, grit.

Right now, the habs have what, 5 spots open on the bottom 6 ? Lapierre, and Pyatt should be signed. Both bring good defensive play and the ability to chip in from time to time. Lapierre brings a physical presense. 3 spots.

Ryan White - A good physical guy (40 hits in 14 games iirc) brings energy and chirps like Lapierre. 2 spots left.

Armstrong ? Artyukhin (more of a pipe dream of mine) ? Malhotra ? Eller ? Malhotra would be a key faceoff guy for us. Can put up points, shouldn't be too expensive and great at faceoffs while throwing some hits.

Last spot. Pouliot if, say Frolov, or Lombardi is signed ? Put Eller in the top 6 if he warrants it and have pools on the 3rd line ? Trade ? Andrew Ladd, maybe ?

How does a line of Lapierre, Ladd and White sound ? Sounds like one agitating line. Ladd has the hands to score, Laps can too, and he's solid defensively. Perfect enviroment for White to learn.

That leaves Moen, Pyatt + Malhotra maybe ? A line that forechecks strong, very well defensively and can chip in too.

I'm sure Montréal will look more at the bottom 6 + backup goalie rather than look at Frolov, or Lombardi, or even Kovalchuk.

FYI, if my math is correct, White's 40 hits in 14 games pro-rated over 82 games = 272 hits. Realistically, he should hit over 200, which is huge.

EDIT: My bad, it was 47 in 16 which is 239

I'd like to point out that in the playoffs, Pouliot had 1 giveaway and 5 takeaways. 4th on team in hits, with limited ice time.
The bottom 6 is the least of my concerns right now. The top 6 has 2 holes. By that, I mean that Akost is an enigma and pouliot is completely unproven. There's nobody on the farm ready to assume those roles (unless trotter or desharnais can prove me wrong). I assume they dont want to be messing around with eller and put him on the wing either.

There are no easy solutions to this issue and I suppose all you can do is watch and hope that these guys can realize their full potential.

As for the bottom 6, these type of players are not hard to find, and I'm quite comfortable with giving guys like ryan white, and tom pyatt (maybe even pacioretty) all the chance to earn their spots at camp. We're fine in this category.

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The bottom 6 is the least of my concerns right now. The top 6 has 2 holes. By that, I mean that Akost is an enigma and pouliot is completely unproven. There's nobody on the farm ready to assume those roles (unless trotter or desharnais can prove me wrong). I assume they dont want to be messing around with eller and put him on the wing either.

There are no easy solutions to this issue and I suppose all you can do is watch and hope that these guys can realize their full potential.

As for the bottom 6, these type of players are not hard to find, and I'm quite comfortable with giving guys like ryan white, and tom pyatt (maybe even pacioretty) all the chance to earn their spots at camp. We're fine in this category.
His hands are tied to cap constraints ... I think it's quite clear the plan is to keep Pouliot and AK.

Top 6 ufa signings and trades are a lot harder than bottom 6 (obviously).

So at the end of the day you get the best available with the resources you are limited to -- which hopefully for us turns out to be a bottom 6 that includes a few more guys more like Moore or Belanger and less of Kostopoulos's or 500 K Darche's ..... wait too long, and the best "bottom 6" players are gone and we could still be stuck with AK and Pouliot.

If they are willing to bury Hamrlik in the minors than maybe something big can happen -- I doubt that will happen and I doubt he'll get moved.

Trading AK is a possibility but he's not going to get you a top 6 worth having. Nor would AK + Hamrlik in a package.

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