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07-08-2010, 10:06 AM
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I believe the old system was a vote/poll and people chose the winner. In any case, the 'contest' isn't what it's about. It's incentive to try and measure up against others, but if you reach your goal or go in the right direction but don't 'win' I don't see it as a failure of any kind.

The emphasis is to participate, just if you devote your time into keeping track, you're more likely to get results.

The criteria will be based I suppose on whatever you feel is best. It depends on the voter. I assume that whoever did the greatest improvement, or consistency, in their health habits would most likely win. For instance, if you were fit, then have greater abs, but someone was overweight and went to fit, I think despite the final picture, the transformation for the second person is perhaps more commendable to some, whereas perhaps someone would reward person #1 for reaching a new level.

The 'contest' term is used very loosely. Remember that there are no losers. We're just trying to keep eachother motivated and give tips/tricks along the way.
All very true. That's pretty much the reason I'm here - as incentive and to get tips or advice from others.
(i edited my signup post to include pictures; i'm not too late, am i?)

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All very true. That's pretty much the reason I'm here - as incentive and to get tips or advice from others.
(i edited my signup post to include pictures; i'm not too late, am i?)
I rewrote my post cuz I misread what you had asked. lol. Anyway, no, you're not. I'll edit the main post and add you in. Good luck. Stay away from nonna's food.

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I get my info from my own personal experience and research over the past 10years of training and experimenting.

Creatine is useless buddy. You will NOT bulk up if your diet isn't set unless you have crazy genes. Not only that, but it's unhealthy.
It's a tiny booster that can sometimes be very ineffective. I tried multiple products over the years, some were effective others weren't.
The supplements I would tell you to take for a better health and training are Protein powder (no flavor otherwise you give your body artificial chemicals), BCAA (Amino Acids), Vitamins depending on your nutrition and Omega 3 (EPA 400/DHA 200). That's it.

Nutrition is absolutely key to training, whether it's to bulk up or tone down.
Taking creating thinking you will bulk up is a recipe for disappointment. All it does is give you a little resistance and quicker recuperation time. But really, you don't need that and once you stop using you'll have a hard time keeping the same ''intensity''.
Like I said, it's crap.

Eat well, supplement your nutrition intelligently and focus on strength training. Do not take any performance boosters. That's all you need.
I agree with most of what you are saying except creatine does work from my own personal experience. Im not telling him its steroids or anything but it will help. It helps you get 10 reps instead of 8, etc, etc, over a 5-day a week schedule of training that will help you be stronger which inturn should give you more bulk unless you are an ectomorph. Plus with the newer creatines like Encharge or Kre-alkylyn the amount of creatine consumed is small and the amount that gets transformed to creatinine is extremely small and negates the biggest "health factor". Nevermind that it naturally occurs in red meat.

You can buy flavored protein just make sure its naturally flavored either with natural products of by the big bad name of the chemical that gives said natural item its flavor.

Its fine if its not for you but dont tell him its crap because you dont like unnatural things as it seems by your post.

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I'm going to go all natural on that one!

Can't take anymore of those fatburner (ephedra,cafeine) firedrine things...

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I'm going to go all natural on that one!

Can't take anymore of those fatburner (ephedra,cafeine) firedrine things...
Yeah fat burners are a waste, although a little caffeine wont hurt.

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I'm in for the contest.

I'm about 215 lbs right now (was at over 220 just over a week ago) and am aiming for about 190-195 I think (we'll see how I look at that point. I don't want to look too scrawny).

Anyways, the way I'm doing it is to follow the Primal Blueprint. I've just read the book and am pretty pumped about doing this. For those serious about health and weight loss, I'd recommend having a quick look. I know it's probably maybe too much for most, but having dropped all processed foods a year and a half ago, it wasn't too much of an adjustment for me.

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Uhh say what?

Foods high in cholesterol and/or saturated fats can increase the cholesterol levels in your blood.
Some of the largest studies on health and nutrition have shown that there is no correlation between saturated fat/cholesterol consumption and poor heart health.

We've evolved over 2 million years eating a diet of primarily saturated fats and which included a lot of cholesterol (which is necessary for your body to function).

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Some of the largest studies on health and nutrition have shown that there is no correlation between saturated fat/cholesterol consumption and poor heart health.

We've evolved over 2 million years eating a diet of primarily saturated fats and which included a lot of cholesterol (which is necessary for your body to function).
I'll trust the Heart and Stroke foundation and common knowledge over what seems to be bulletin board material used by fat and out of shape people to feel less guilty about their poor eating habits.

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read this.

Or type in link between cholesterol and heart disease on Google and you'll find many studies showing that there is no correlation.

I've only skimmed through the article quickly, but it seems to explain it fairly well.

Also: http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm
http://preventionisbest.com/site/saturatedfat.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61341020100204

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Participants, who were generally healthy to start, were surveyed about their diet habits and then followed for anywhere from five to 23 years. Over that time, 11,000 developed heart disease or suffered a stroke.

Overall, Krauss and his colleagues found, there was no difference in the risks of heart disease and stroke between people with the lowest and highest intakes of saturated fat


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The lenght of the contest should be a fair amount. I doubt we'd see someone's true measure of consistency in a few weeks. I'm willing to go till december for instance. I'm not sure what everyone prefers though. If they want it short, I have no issue with it. I just need feedback. Any lenght you prefer?

The criteria will be based I suppose on whatever you feel is best. It depends on the voter(prob a poll will be done). I assume that whoever did the greatest improvement, or consistency, in their health habits would most likely win. For instance, if you were fit, then have greater abs, but someone was overweight and went to fit, I think despite the final picture, the transformation for the second person is perhaps more commendable to some, whereas perhaps someone would reward person #1 for reaching a new level.

In order to see the consistency or lifestyle change or whatever, you need a little time. What that time is? Not sure. I'll let you guys/girls decide
I'd be good with it going til puck drop on the first pre-season game.

Gives me something to concentrate on while there being no hockey.

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read this.

Or type in link between cholesterol and heart disease on Google and you'll find many studies showing that there is no correlation.

I've only skimmed through the article quickly, but it seems to explain it fairly well.

Also: http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm
What an accepted source.

Simply put, a diet high in cholesterol and high in saturated fats can raise the cholesterol levels in your blood. How your body reacts to elevated or even low levels of cholesterol in your blood is based on genetics.

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What an accepted source.

Simply put, a diet high in cholesterol and high in saturated fats can raise the cholesterol levels in your blood. How your body reacts to elevated or even low levels of cholesterol in your blood is based on genetics.
You state that as if it's fact. Like saying: Simply put, 2+2=4.

Saying it that way doesn't make it any more true.
Please find me some studies relating the two.

As humans, we've been eating less and less saturated fats, omega 3 fats, and cholesterol over the years. We've also been getting fatter and fatter over the years, with increased incidences of heart disease. If this common knowledge you speak of was so true, don't you think we'd start seeing people slimming down and becoming healthier?

Check out the reviews of the Primal Blueprint at Amazon.com (116 reviews; 97 given 5*, 11 at 4*).
The reviews also have testimonies from people who have regulated their cholesterol, blood sugar levels, and blood pressure by starting to eat more saturated fats and cholesterol and ridding themselves of the garbage that we eat every day (refined and processed carbs).

Anyways, I'm not going to spend my day arguing over this. You can do what you think is right, and I'll do what I believe to be right. I hope some people have a look into this and give it a shot. I'll let you know of my progress throughout the contest (lost 5 lbs in 2 weeks so far, with a pretty alcohol filled Canada Day weekend, which didn't help)


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You state that as if it's fact. Like saying: Simply put, 2+2=4.

Saying it that way doesn't make it any more true.
Please find me some studies relating the two.

As humans, we've been eating less and less saturated fats, omega 3 fats, and cholesterol over the years. We've also been getting fatter and fatter over the years, with increased incidences of heart disease. If this common knowledge you speak of was so true, don't you think we'd start seeing people slimming down and becoming healthier?
Is this real life?

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Any suggestion to how long contest should last? We can make a short one, however, a few months are needed for more visable results.
Why do you insist so much on a contest/pictures? Learning a profession, getting in shape, learning a sport, gaining strength, getting educated... those are lifelong goals, not something you do in a few months. This is why so many people are fat, out of shape and stupid. You only get what the effort you put into an activity, if you want to put in a few months worth of effort, be ready to get a few months worth of results. This is pretty much a warning here for those who want to lose fat or gain weight. Want to lose fat? Get ready to sacrafice a lot of the ****** eating you're doing right now. And forget staying on the internet or drinking beer instead of your monday workout.

Want to get weight? LOL, good luck. About 1-2% of ectomorphs (with a 1-2% margin of error) have the intelligence, the discipline and mental fortitude to do it. Man, all of my skinny friends tell me how much they eat, then I LOL when they see me eat their whole days worth of food in a single meal. Ever eaten a whole chicken? Well that would be 1 meal out of 5-6. Ever eaten half a pound of pasta with half a pound of meat for breakfast? 1 meal out of 6 again. That's on top of getting your puny deadlift from 135lbs to 500lbs. That's what it takes to maybe gain 40lbs of good mass. Maybe. If you have great genes though, forget all of this, you've been blessed.

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Is this real life?
Tough to argue when your arguments are so very convincing....

Response to post 224: Didn't want to keep the argument going (so I thought I'd just edit) but I'm hardly 30 lbs overweight. I'm 6'2, 215lbs and am pretty fit for that weight (play a lot of sports and train semi-regularly).


Anyways, as overlords said, this is just for fun and I just wanted to share what I'd be doing to try and get in shape for this contest.


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Why do you insist so much on a contest/pictures? Learning a profession, getting in shape, learning a sport, gaining strength, getting educated... those are lifelong goals, not something you do in a few months. This is why so many people are fat, out of shape and stupid. You only get what the effort you put into an activity, if you want to put in a few months worth of effort, be ready to get a few months worth of results. This is pretty much a warning here for those who want to lose fat or gain weight. Want to lose fat? Get ready to sacrafice a lot of the ****** eating you're doing right now. And forget staying on the internet or drinking beer instead of your monday workout.

Want to get weight? LOL, good luck. About 1-2% of ectomorphs (with a 1-2% margin of error) have the intelligence, the discipline and mental fortitude to do it. Man, all of my skinny friends tell me how much they eat, then I LOL when they see me eat their whole days worth of food in a single meal. Ever eaten a whole chicken? Well that would be 1 meal out of 5-6. Ever eaten half a pound of pasta with half a pound of meat for breakfast? 1 meal out of 6 again. That's on top of getting your puny deadlift from 135lbs to 500lbs. That's what it takes to maybe gain 40lbs of good mass. Maybe. If you have great genes though, forget all of this, you've been blessed.


cool story brah



This was meant to be a fun, motivating thread for people to get in shape. If people (and this isn't necessarily directed at you) can't stop e-peening it up in here, there's no point. Might as well close the thread now.

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Tough to argue when your arguments are so very convincing....
brb, being 30 pounds overweight.

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Eat some chicken I heard it does wonders lolz

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Why do you insist so much on a contest/pictures? Learning a profession, getting in shape, learning a sport, gaining strength, getting educated... those are lifelong goals, not something you do in a few months. This is why so many people are fat, out of shape and stupid. You only get what the effort you put into an activity, if you want to put in a few months worth of effort, be ready to get a few months worth of results. This is pretty much a warning here for those who want to lose fat or gain weight. Want to lose fat? Get ready to sacrafice a lot of the ****** eating you're doing right now. And forget staying on the internet or drinking beer instead of your monday workout.

Want to get weight? LOL, good luck. About 1-2% of ectomorphs (with a 1-2% margin of error) have the intelligence, the discipline and mental fortitude to do it. Man, all of my skinny friends tell me how much they eat, then I LOL when they see me eat their whole days worth of food in a single meal. Ever eaten a whole chicken? Well that would be 1 meal out of 5-6. Ever eaten half a pound of pasta with half a pound of meat for breakfast? 1 meal out of 6 again. That's on top of getting your puny deadlift from 135lbs to 500lbs. That's what it takes to maybe gain 40lbs of good mass. Maybe. If you have great genes though, forget all of this, you've been blessed.
lol, You take it too seriously. I am more than willing to bring this on for a long time. However, i'm taking into consideration people who aren't out to lose major weight or whatever. The contest is merely for show. This is nothing more, nothing less than people coming together and motivating eachother and helping eachother find the momentum and knowledge for a healthy lifestyle. I think you assume I think it's a one week thing or something. I am not naive. I never suggested the results would be done instantly. I have actually suggested december and on as a basis for the 'contest'. Which even then isn't close to being reasonably enough for some people's goals.

Why do I mention pictures? The original Battle of the Bulge was made this way, so I kept the same format. Like I said, the contest is not the basis of this thread, hence why i bothered making it /General Fitness. You're under the belief that the contest is to do or die of this thread, which it is not. It is merely a basis of participation. If you take the time and invest yourself into something, you're more likely to go through with it. If you write a post in a thread and call it a day, you won't feel accountable to your time investment. So again, the contest isn't actually a competition, it's merely a way to bring people together who are looking for similar goals.

BTW, I'm a mesomorph. I'm one of the lucky ones especially if you knew the junk I ate.

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Why do you insist so much on a contest/pictures? Learning a profession, getting in shape, learning a sport, gaining strength, getting educated... those are lifelong goals, not something you do in a few months. This is why so many people are fat, out of shape and stupid. You only get what the effort you put into an activity, if you want to put in a few months worth of effort, be ready to get a few months worth of results. This is pretty much a warning here for those who want to lose fat or gain weight. Want to lose fat? Get ready to sacrafice a lot of the ****** eating you're doing right now. And forget staying on the internet or drinking beer instead of your monday workout.

Want to get weight? LOL, good luck. About 1-2% of ectomorphs (with a 1-2% margin of error) have the intelligence, the discipline and mental fortitude to do it. Man, all of my skinny friends tell me how much they eat, then I LOL when they see me eat their whole days worth of food in a single meal. Ever eaten a whole chicken? Well that would be 1 meal out of 5-6. Ever eaten half a pound of pasta with half a pound of meat for breakfast? 1 meal out of 6 again. That's on top of getting your puny deadlift from 135lbs to 500lbs. That's what it takes to maybe gain 40lbs of good mass. Maybe. If you have great genes though, forget all of this, you've been blessed.

Thanks for that.

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I sense a lot of 'roid rage in this thread.

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lol, You take it too seriously. I am more than willing to bring this on for a long time. However, i'm taking into consideration people who aren't out to lose major weight or whatever. The contest is merely for show. This is nothing more, nothing less than people coming together and motivating eachother and helping eachother find the momentum and knowledge for a healthy lifestyle. I think you assume I think it's a one week thing or something. I am not naive. I never suggested the results would be done instantly. I have actually suggested december and on as a basis for the 'contest'. Which even then isn't close to being reasonably enough for some people's goals.

Why do I mention pictures? The original Battle of the Bulge was made this way, so I kept the same format. Like I said, the contest is not the basis of this thread, hence why i bothered making it /General Fitness. You're under the belief that the contest is to do or die of this thread, which it is not. It is merely a basis of participation. If you take the time and invest yourself into something, you're more likely to go through with it. If you write a post in a thread and call it a day, you won't feel accountable to your time investment. So again, the contest isn't actually a competition, it's merely a way to bring people together who are looking for similar goals.

BTW, I'm a mesomorph. I'm one of the lucky ones especially if you knew the junk I ate.
Meh, couldn't care less to be honest. I was just sayin'. Can't have too many people walking around in shape, gotta keep them fat or skinny.

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yes plz. I'm going to gym, then a show, then we can do something.

Oh, and ignore that longass post I wrote. It's really stupid.
Nah, I didn't read anything past the part about hot women

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man.. walking 18 holes carrying a golf bag is pretty good exercise.. i'm about to go on a golf trip here, it's gonna be gross.

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yes plz. I'm going to gym, then a show, then we can do something.

Oh, and ignore that longass post I wrote. It's really stupid.
lol.. outstanding

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