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06-28-2010, 03:59 PM
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So if no one claims him off waivers, his contract is not bought out, and he is stuck in Abbotsford, I'd have to think Kotalik would head for Europe. I remember him saying he was homesick and riding the buses down in the AHL likely wouldn't help.

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the Jokinen trade at the time seemed pretty good.The 1st round pick was supposed to be in the 20's and Lomabrdi at a replaceabke role.

My problem is trading Jokinen for an even worst player in Kotalik

I would have just let Jokinen walk this year and have 5.5 million extra dollars to spend.

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06-28-2010, 04:14 PM
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This move definitlely makes the Jokinen trade to the Rangers look even more absurd. Just another example of poor cap management by Sutter. Hopefully he'll find a taker for Kotalik's contract, but I doubt anyone wants to be stuck with Kotalik's $3M annual cap hit.

Even if he is placed on re-entry waivers, a $1.5M cap hit is pretty big for both the Flames and the acquiring team to take on.

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What a wonderful example of sheer incompetence by Sutter. I honestly didn't think he had it in him.

Gotta hope though that Kotalik simply goes to Europe. If he's claimed on re-call waivers, it'll be a 1.5M cap hit for two years and if's he's bought out, it'll be a 1M cap hit for four years. But I don't think this is acts as a prelude to a major move in free agency. Sutter's probably just clearing up some space to re-sign White and Higgens/Nystrom.

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Ill be happy depending on what they do with the cap space. I was starting to adjust to having him here next year.

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Getting rid of someone we didn't want in the first place....possibly with cap repercussions.

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I see why some people think this makes the Jokinen/Prust deal look worse, but IMO, this makes it much, much better and if Kotes does go to Europe and he no longer has any impact on our cap, I absolve Sutter from any blame because he cleaned up his mess.

The only people that should be pissed with Sutter are the owners.

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06-28-2010, 04:46 PM
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So if no one claims him off waivers, his contract is not bought out, and he is stuck in Abbotsford, I'd have to think Kotalik would head for Europe. I remember him saying he was homesick and riding the buses down in the AHL likely wouldn't help.
He did say that and he should.

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Maybe Kotalik has agreed to be loaned to his home town team (wherever it is ) that he was speculating on going after his contract here in Calgary expired?.

If that was the case would his CAP hit come completely off the books?

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Maybe Kotalik has agreed to be loaned to his home town team (wherever it is ) that he was speculating on going after his contract here in Calgary expired?.

If that was the case would his CAP hit come completely off the books?
If he leaves our league and "retires" then yes, he will be completely off the books.

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06-28-2010, 05:03 PM
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If we get out of the Kotalik deal "CAP free" I would like to see us look at Ponikarovsky. He is probably the least Russian, Russian player. He has good size (not that he uses it to his advantage). He is the type of guy that I think can round out our top 9 and give us more skill. As we sit now I see Dawes in the top 6, Poni could be signed for up to as much as Kotaliks (3M).

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06-28-2010, 08:10 PM
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If Poni is the least Russian of the UFAs, it's probably because he's from the Ukraine.

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06-28-2010, 08:17 PM
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If Poni is the least Russian of the UFAs, it's probably because he's from the Ukraine.
lol... I actually remember thinking that but someone had said something about him being Russian on the trade board so i assumed...

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Wow,

Some people just do not get it. At the time of the trade, a 1st round pick and a 3rd line centre for the coveted top-line centre the Flames had always wanted was a no brainer. No-one could have predicted that Jokinen in Calgary would bust.

I would agree, though, I would have kept Jokinen the rest of the season and utilized the cap more efficiently.

This move to put Kotalik on waivers is bewildering. To me this indicates that Sutter is up to something, and needs cap space to do it.
I hope so, but i'm also pessimistically expecting another trade in which we get messed over.

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06-28-2010, 08:59 PM
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I'm not really sure how putting a player on waivers works so can someone correct me on what I'm wrong here.

- If Kotalik gets claimed on re-entry by another team, each team pays half of his contract or how does that work?
- If no one claims in and he plays on the Flames, does he still make his full salary and does it fully count against the cap?
- If no one claims him and he plays in the AHL, he gets his full salary and it doesn't count against the cap.
- If he leaves to the KHL, Flames are off the hook on his salary obviously.
- If he gets bought out, the Flames are on the hook for 2/3 of his salary owed (Would be 4 million) in double the amount of time (4 years) so 1 million a year, correct?

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06-28-2010, 09:03 PM
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Poni... I am sick of getting Leaf players, lets get players from winning teams... I know... odd concept.

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Wow,

Some people just do not get it. At the time of the trade, a 1st round pick and a 3rd line centre for the coveted top-line centre the Flames had always wanted was a no brainer. No-one could have predicted that Jokinen in Calgary would bust.

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You dont get it....Sutter screwed up on that trade...

stop the ******** about nobody knew at the time...dont understand the justification.

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06-28-2010, 09:49 PM
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You dont get it....Sutter screwed up on that trade...

stop the ******** about nobody knew at the time...dont understand the justification.
Agreed, even at the time it was a bad trade.

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So who do you think Sutter is targeting with the extra space?

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06-28-2010, 10:04 PM
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Agreed, even at the time it was a bad trade.
Not so. At the time, everyone thought it was an excellent deal for the Flames and how we had won the trade dealine with our acquisitions of Jokinen and Leopold. Jokinen was just one season removed from two 90 point campaigns. Cammy-Jokinen-Iginla were an option on nhl.com for the best line in hockey. Hell, Jokinen scored a pair in his debut and everyone thought Sutter was a frigging genius. At the time, it looked as if it were going to be an excellent deal for the Flames.

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06-28-2010, 10:23 PM
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Not so. At the time, everyone thought it was an excellent deal for the Flames and how we had won the trade dealine with our acquisitions of Jokinen and Leopold. Jokinen was just one season removed from two 90 point campaigns. Cammy-Jokinen-Iginla were an option on nhl.com for the best line in hockey. Hell, Jokinen scored a pair in his debut and everyone thought Sutter was a frigging genius. At the time, it looked as if it were going to be an excellent deal for the Flames.
I must have misunderstood, I though we were talking about Jokine-NYR deal. The original one was very good and Sutter had no idea he would bust.

Bourque-Jokinen-Iggy was actually #3 ranked line at the beginning of this year as well.

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06-28-2010, 10:30 PM
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So who do you think Sutter is targeting with the extra space?
Re-signing Ian White?

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I'm not really sure how putting a player on waivers works so can someone correct me on what I'm wrong here.

- If Kotalik gets claimed on re-entry by another team, each team pays half of his contract or how does that work?
- If no one claims in and he plays on the Flames, does he still make his full salary and does it fully count against the cap?
- If no one claims him and he plays in the AHL, he gets his full salary and it doesn't count against the cap.
- If he leaves to the KHL, Flames are off the hook on his salary obviously.
- If he gets bought out, the Flames are on the hook for 2/3 of his salary owed (Would be 4 million) in double the amount of time (4 years) so 1 million a year, correct?
Yep, you're correct on all accounts. Well, I'm not sure about the KHL deal because of transfer agreement issues. Kotalik is still under contract by the Flames and he would need to receive authorization from the Flames to play in the KHL.

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Re-signing Ian White?
Well with 4, 4th liners to sign, a back-up and White we have:

7.2M
- 3.5M (White)
- 700k x4 (4th liners)
- 700k (goal)
= 300k of room

This is using a large # for White and the others as well.

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