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06-28-2010, 10:25 PM
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Kaberle + Kulemin for Heatley
yuck Heatley. If he hated in Ottawa cause of the Press, Imagine TO.

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the amount of people undervaluing setoguchi in this thread is depressing lol.

SJ would laugh in the face of Burke for a kaberle - setoguchi 1 for 1 proposal

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Oh yes please. Would love to see Setoguchi on the Leafs.

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Setoguchi has got to be the most overrated player on these boards for a while (among leaf fans at least). I mean, I've seen people proposing Seto for Kabby straight up... I mean, are you serious?

The guy isn't big, and he just had a 36 point season... thats it. Did he just have an off season, what are peoples expectations
6'3 205 isnt big?

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Setoguchi has got to be the most overrated player on these boards for a while (among leaf fans at least). I mean, I've seen people proposing Seto for Kabby straight up... I mean, are you serious?

The guy isn't big, and he just had a 36 point season... thats it.
If the thought is that there is only going to be one more year left for Kaberle in Toronto then the Leafs completely and undeniably win a straight up Seto for Kaberle swap with the Sharks. The Sharks get one year of a quality defenseman before he bolts back East. The Leafs get a top six winger that struggled last year and still scored 20 goals plus nothing stops them from getting Kaberle back anyway.

Yeah, he only had 36 points last year but he had a rookie season that entailed scoring 31 goals. I wouldn't dismiss that so easily.

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06-28-2010, 10:31 PM
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anyone else see the line where the bruins might move savard because they fear an offer sheet...

what? for who? wheeler?

and a kaberle for setoguchi deal would be a great trade, for both teams

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Setoguchi has got to be the most overrated player on these boards for a while (among leaf fans at least). I mean, I've seen people proposing Seto for Kabby straight up... I mean, are you serious?

The guy isn't big, and he just had a 36 point season... thats it. Did he just have an off season, what are peoples expectations
So let me understand this. You say he's the most overrated player on these boards but then you ask people for there opinions on him. Its clear that you have not seen him play and are just going by what the stats tell you. You did the same thing last season when we aquired Beauchemin and you started describing certain traits about his game to then only after admit you had actually never seen him play. I love how Schenn pretty much stinks it up in his second season and all Leaf homers say "well it was a typical sophomore slump" but other young players arent givin the same benefit of the doubt.

Not a big deal tho, the majority of the Leafs fan base didnt want Carter for Kaberle when the innitial rumour surfaced along time ago and called him nothing more then a 2nd/3rd liner, they insinuated that Bobby Ryan was a bust when his name came up in that rumour where Fletcher tried to aquire him and Leaf fans also said Kesler was junk way back when when the Canucks where interested in Sundin. Seems to me half of leaf nation has really no clue how to evaluate young talent around the league that isnt named Crosby, Stamkos or Doughty. Its really embarresing how badly this fanbase has underrated young players around the league the past few years.

Setoguchi is a very solid young player that had a down season but bounced back nicely in the playoffs. He's every bit the player Kulemin is and he has a higher ceiling imo. Trading Kaberle for a Kulemin - esque young player is certainly not the worst thing in the world.


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Yeah, he only had 36 points last year but he had a rookie season that entailed scoring 31 goals. I wouldn't dismiss that so easily.
Problem is I can think of another player the Leafs acquired who had a fantastic rookie year, and blew the year after...

I like Seto, but as I said on the Leaf board, I think he's better in a supporting role than he is as a go-to goal scorer like he would be on the Leafs. That said, I think his style of play is very similar to some of the guys that work well for us already (I think him and Kulemin could work well together).

I wouldn't oppose this trade, but I wouldn't be ecstatic right away either.

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there are some lying people in this thread.

the bachelorette ends at 10pm
Fixed it for ya, forgot I was in Atlantic time.

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Fixed it for ya, forgot I was in Atlantic time.
LOL i was just ****in with ya

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Setaguchi?

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6'3 205 isnt big?
Seto is only 6'0 tall. He is 200-205 though.

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06-28-2010, 10:44 PM
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I would love get Setoguchi straight up for Kaberle, although I would want a bit more added if Kaberle signs an extension beforehand.

This coupled with a possible trade to get Savard could be that last big splash that pushes us to playoff contention.

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Setaguchi... I wonder how he ended up with Seto as his nickname...

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Seto is only 6'0 tall. He is 200-205 though.
Thanks for the correction.

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Problem is I can think of another player the Leafs acquired who had a fantastic rookie year, and blew the year after...

I like Seto, but as I said on the Leaf board, I think he's better in a supporting role than he is as a go-to goal scorer like he would be on the Leafs. That said, I think his style of play is very similar to some of the guys that work well for us already (I think him and Kulemin could work well together).

I wouldn't oppose this trade, but I wouldn't be ecstatic right away either.
That's fine. You keep believing that. Seto is a pure goal scorer, not a supporting role player (that's more what Clowe is). If DW trades Seto for Kaberle, straight up or otherwise, it might be time to seriously think if physical damage is not warranted to prevent Wilson from doing more damage to the team. That's a horrendously bad deal for the Sharks on so many levels it's not funny.

Kaberle is not the answer for the Sharks unless DW is sending some sort of horrendous contract back to TO (and I mean ONLY a horrendous contract, not "in addition to" a great piece like Seto), which Burke won't do.

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That's fine. You keep believing that. Seto is a pure goal scorer, not a supporting role player (that's more what Clowe is). If DW trades Seto for Kaberle, straight up or otherwise, it might be time to seriously think if physical damage is not warranted to prevent Wilson from doing more damage to the team. That's a horrendously bad deal for the Sharks on so many levels it's not funny.

Kaberle is not the answer for the Sharks unless DW is sending some sort of horrendous contract back to TO (and I mean ONLY a horrendous contract, not "in addition to" a great piece like Seto), which Burke won't do.
Hey man, don't pee in our Cheerios yet! Wouldn't it be great to send Seto + Wallin + Huskins to TO for Kaberle?

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i like seto and all but this deal doesnt really jump out at me

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Hey man, don't pee in our Cheerios yet! Wouldn't it be great to send Seto + Wallin + Huskins to TO for Kaberle?
Wallin, Huskins, Seto for Kaberle, 2nd 2011, 1st 2012.

Only then. (and yes, I realize it's an overpayment)

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I would never even think about trading Seto for
kaberle straight up.

Seto is big, strong, fast and is a goal scorer. He was injured last season and played with 3rd/4th line teammates.

Oh yeah, he's pretty damn young too.

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Leafs spend seguin to get kessel, and yet seto is only worth a year of kaberle...

Kessel's definitely ahead of seto, but not by as much as most people here seem to think. He got to 36 goals, but only being a fixture on boston's top line. Seto is right behind him with 30 when he was a fixture on the top line(but he wasn't up there the whole season). That was also only seto's sophmore season while kessel had a few seasons under his belt before hitting his plateau 36 goals.

I'll probably get flamed for comparing them, but I don't care. Seto's value should be closer to kessel's than it is, and there's no way in hell boston gives up kessel for kaberle.

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If anything Seto is underrated by many.

Kessel and Seto are the same age.

Kessel's first 3 seasons (222 games played) he tallied 66 goals.

Seto's first 3 seasons (195 games played) he tallied 62 goals.

That isnt to say he's as good as Kessel but he's alot better then what he showed this past regular season.

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Wallin, Huskins, Seto for Kaberle, 2nd 2011, 1st 2012.

Only then. (and yes, I realize it's an overpayment)
But, but, but we'd have room to go sign Lombardi and perhaps Martin!

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Leafs spend seguin to get kessel, and yet seto is only worth a year of kaberle...

Kessel's definitely ahead of seto, but not by as much as most people here seem to think. He got to 36 goals, but only being a fixture on boston's top line. Seto is right behind him with 30 when he was a fixture on the top line(but he wasn't up there the whole season). That was also only seto's sophmore season while kessel had a few seasons under his belt before hitting his plateau 36 goals.

I'll probably get flamed for comparing them, but I don't care. Seto's value should be closer to kessel's than it is, and there's no way in hell boston gives up kessel for kaberle.
When you look at both players first 3 years in the league they are very caparable. Seto also plays a much more solid 2 way game and when he isnt a factor offensively as least he's a decent forechecker and will throw the body.

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But, but, but we'd have room to go sign Lombardi and perhaps Martin!
It's not like I'm adding salary. We'll sign Martin, Lombardi AND have a top 40 and top 10 pick for 2 years.

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