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CapnCornelius · 07-01-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fro

wow...Flyers have almost $26m wrapped up in 5 defensemen...coburn at $3.2m? YIKES

With their goaltending, do they have any other choice?

Hipster Letestu · 07-01-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Timeless Winter

Gonchar to Ottawa for 3 years, $ 5.5 million

Great player, but damn that's a lot of cash and time for him, bad signing.

Timeless Winter · 07-01-2010, 12:01 PM

Coburn is worth that 3.2, he's a stud.

Matt Foley · 07-01-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fro

..coburn at $3.2m?

By my count, that would be $1.45 million per year OVER what we will be paying Ethan Moreau next season.

Hey; we had several "under" examples, so it's only fair that we have an "over" example.

CapnCornelius · 07-01-2010, 12:03 PM

St. Louis extended for 4 years in Tampa. Guess Doucher needed a translater.

Fro · 07-01-2010, 12:03 PM

didn't mean Yikes on coburns 3.2...I agree...they need another Def tho and already committing half the cap there on 5 players...that's just wow...

Skraut · 07-01-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by astall35

Great player, but damn that's a lot of cash and time for him, bad signing.

yeah, Gonchar is going to be making 3 and 2/3rds times what Moreau will be making,

and for 3 times as long.

Matt Foley · 07-01-2010, 12:06 PM

Fro - I edited your quote in my post so that it won't be taken out of context.

Fro · 07-01-2010, 12:09 PM

will St Louis make more than the Moreau Line in Tampa?

Timeless Winter · 07-01-2010, 12:12 PM

Z. Michalek to the Penguins. bummer

Viqsi · 07-01-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CapnCornelius

What difference does it make? Do you think Moreau is moveable without an NMC?

Yes. Easily. Not for a high-value return, but he can be moved.

CapnCornelius · 07-01-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fro

will St Louis make more than the Moreau Line in Tampa?

I think the real question is--who will be the first player worse than Ethan Moreau signed above the Moreau Line?

Timeless Winter · 07-01-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CapnCornelius

I think the real question is--who will be the first player worse than Ethan Moreau signed above the Moreau Line?

Let's see what Boll gets.

Viqsi · 07-01-2010, 12:15 PM

Michalek to Pittsburgh per TSN. Over the Moreau line.

That would suck a whole lot more if we were actually in their division. Or conference, for that matter.

CapnCornelius · 07-01-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Viqsi

Yes. Easily. Not for a high-value return, but he can be moved.

If we are talking about a token 7th rounder, I could care less. Howson might as well get an instant lottery ticket.

Viqsi · 07-01-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CapnCornelius

If we are talking about a token 7th rounder, I could care less. Howson might as well get an instant lottery ticket.

So now it's not that he can't be moved, but that he can't be moved for something of high value? Criminy, but you've got impossible standards.

Oh, and the phrase is "I couldn't care less", for the record.

CapnCornelius · 07-01-2010, 12:18 PM

The defensemen are the most interesting thing to watch today. Could result in something falling to us. Remember, that's how we ended up with Tyutin.

blahblah · 07-01-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Skraut

yeah, Gonchar is going to be making 3 and 2/3rds times what Moreau will be making,

and for 3 times as long.

To be fair he's about 30 times the player Moreau is.

Probably in the minority, but that's the contract I wanted the CBJ to give Gonchar. Much better then the Redden contract. I think the Sens did well, but that's just me.

CapnCornelius · 07-01-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Viqsi

So now it's not that he can't be moved, but that he can't be moved for something of high value? Criminy, but you've got impossible standards.

Moving guys for speculative 7th round picks only helps out JMac Jr.'s pocketbook. It does nothing to help the team in the short or the long term outside of that. So, from my perspective, an NMC on a guy with trade value versus no NMC on a guy with little to no trade value is a wash. From JMac Jr.'s perspective? Well, I couldn't care less.

Timeless Winter · 07-01-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blahblah

To be fair he's about 30 times the player Moreau is.

Probably in the minority, but that's the contract I wanted the CBJ to give Gonchar. Much better then the Redden contract. I think the Sens did well, but that's just me.

The Pens are a different team without Gonchar, look at the PP numbers when he was hurt, dreadful. He will be missed by the Pens.
Maybe a tad too much money to pay him, but he is a great player. The Pens do not win the Cup without Gonchar.

KallioWeHardlyKnewYe · 07-01-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blahblah

To be fair he's about 30 times the player Moreau is.

Probably in the minority, but that's the contract I wanted the CBJ to give Gonchar. Much better then the Redden contract. I think the Sens did well, but that's just me.

I agree. Fair, reasonable term and money.

Hipster Letestu · 07-01-2010, 12:30 PM

Michalek to the Pens sucks, I wanted him. The fact Commodore makes almost as much as him is sad.

CapnCornelius · 07-01-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by astall35

Michalek to the Pens sucks, I wanted him. The fact Commodore makes almost as much as him is sad.

Which raises a good point. Perhaps with regards to defensemen it should be called the "Commie line."

Skraut · 07-01-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by astall35

Michalek to the Pens sucks, I wanted him. The fact Commodore makes almost as much as him is sad.

Agreed.

But there were fewer defensemen the year Commie was signed, and fans were anxious for Howson to make signings.

blahblah · 07-01-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Timeless Winter

The Pens are a different team without Gonchar, look at the PP numbers when he was hurt, dreadful. He will be missed by the Pens.
Maybe a tad too much money to pay him, but he is a great player. The Pens do not win the Cup without Gonchar.

Gonchar is money.

Only reason it's a little much is the injury history. Having said that, I'd rather have Gonchar for 60 games then Campbell for 82.