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06-29-2010, 10:46 PM
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My lineup, would the cap be ok?

Gagne-Richards-X
Leino-Briere-Hartnell
Giroux-Carter-JVR
Lappy-Betts-Powe(kept him around because he'd be cheap)

Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Y
Bartulis-Z

Mason
Leighton

X=Patty O'Sullivan if cheap
Y=Paul Martin if Coburn gets pricey
Z= Eaton, Jr. Flyer as a kid, I think he'd be open to coming to Philly for cheap.....

Is there anyway we can keep Coburn and sign Martin?


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06-29-2010, 11:05 PM
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I'd rather not see Patty O anywhere near the Flyers. Especially on the top line, although he's talented he's soft as butter.

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Patty O-verrated...no thanks. That guy has a heart like Daigle.

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06-29-2010, 11:57 PM
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Unless you put Carcillo on the top line with Gagne and Richards, which I know we all don't want to do, there's basically no way that could be under the cap. Coburn will be at least 2.5, Martin at least 5, , and Mason at least 3. That's 10.5 million without signing a guy for the top line RW spot. That wouldn't work cap-wise, we don't have that kind of space.

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06-30-2010, 12:32 AM
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Unless you put Carcillo on the top line with Gagne and Richards, which I know we all don't want to do, there's basically no way that could be under the cap. Coburn will be at least 2.5, Martin at least 5, , and Mason at least 3. That's 10.5 million without signing a guy for the top line RW spot. That wouldn't work cap-wise, we don't have that kind of space.
I love Carcillo with Gagne and Richards, and playing him there means our forwards are set as soon as the RFAs are signed. Asham gets cut loose. No need to add anyone, we've got recalls galore to try out when injuries hit.

I always liked O'Sullivan, but if you are adding him or someone else to play 1RW who sits in the pressbox?

Forget Martin. Let someone else pay him to suck. We need a cheap 5 D. Budget depends on how much the goalie(s) cost(s).

Mason will not likely see $3M again, we'll see how it all shakes out. There might not be a starter's spot for him, depending in what SJ does.

If SJ jumps on Turco, for example, ahead of Philly, it leaves Nabby and Mason for us and Tampa, assuming Wash. sticks with their kids.

We could get screwed altogether, and be looking for someone like Ellis or Leighton again. Ellis has got to be in a bind. He could see how the market shakes out and not sign with Montreal tomorrow, in which case he could give up a starter's job in Philly for a backup role in Montreal- or miss out altogether if Montreal goes elsewhere. High stakes poker on Thursday. Does he gamble on Price having a nervous breakdown and handing him the starting job or on Nabby, Turco and Mason all giving the Flyers the shaft?

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06-30-2010, 12:42 AM
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I'd prefer JvR on the first line if he gets his defensive act together. Carcillo on the third line gives that line everything it needs.

With Nodl as the call up and Cote waived, we are doing good. Coburn could screw us. The one dude from the Lightning, big man, right handed shot, is a fifth d man for 1.5mil or less waiting to happen. Gives us three big guys on the back end and a solid third pairing that can see some minutes.

I still say go after Biron.


Gagne - Richards - JvR
Hartnell - Briere - Leino
Rouxfus - Carter - Carcillo
Powe - Betts - Lappy
Nodl

Pronger - Carle
Timonen - Coburn
Kurtis Foster - Bart

Biron
Boucher

That means we only lose Carle the following season, have a cheap enough starting goalie for cap room. Carter is likely to be traded following the end of next season so we can sign up Roo and replenish the cupboard. Leino will probably double his salary. Lose Boosh, bring up Backlund or Bobrovsky. Hopefully Gagne stays, but takes a discount, and slowly makes his way down the depth chart, instead becoming a trusty second or third line player with incredible defense (like Sami Kapanen but with more scoring and size). We skirt the edge of the salary cap though.

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06-30-2010, 12:43 AM
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Forget Martin. Let someone else pay him to suck. We need a cheap 5 D. Budget depends on how much the goalie(s) cost(s).
Pay him to suck? Martin is a very, very solid defenseman who is a good puck mover and is very strong in his own zone. He doesn't put up a whole lot of numbers, and he is in my opinion the best defenseman out on the market this year. He in no way sucks. If Komisarek got paid 4.5M, there's no way Martin doesn't get 5M+.

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06-30-2010, 12:45 AM
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Kurtis Foster - Bart
Kurtis Foster is the last thing that this team needs. He is a purely one-dimensional PP specialist. His defense is barely better than Krajicek, if that. We don't need a guy like Foster, we need a guy who will block shots, hit, and allow us to trust the 3rd pairing with some real minutes.

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Unless you put Carcillo on the top line with Gagne and Richards, which I know we all don't want to do, there's basically no way that could be under the cap. Coburn will be at least 2.5, Martin at least 5, , and Mason at least 3. That's 10.5 million without signing a guy for the top line RW spot. That wouldn't work cap-wise, we don't have that kind of space.
In the original line-up, Martin was brought in further to moving Coburn, so Martin's salary would be +$2.5 mil over Coburn's spot. And that would be a nice upgrade, especially if Coburn is asking for the moon.

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Wonder how much Martin would want, would he settle in the 4.0-4.5 range to come to us? I'd trade Coburn/Carle to make room for Martin in a second.

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How about this

Gagne - Richards - Raymond (signed)
Leino - Briere - Hartnell
JVR - Giroux - Afinigenov
Lappy - Betts - Carcillo

Pronger - Carle
Timonen - coburn(3.5)
Bartulis - Vet(1)

Nabby ( 4.5)
Cory Schneider

Carter traded for Cory Schneider + Mason Raymond

fair?

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06-30-2010, 09:28 AM
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How about this

Gagne - Richards - Raymond (signed)
Leino - Briere - Hartnell
JVR - Giroux - Afinigenov
Lappy - Betts - Carcillo

Pronger - Carle
Timonen - coburn(3.5)
Bartulis - Vet(1)

Nabby ( 4.5)
Cory Schneider

Carter traded for Cory Schneider + Mason Raymond

fair?
So where is your boy Powe?

Carter won't be traded for that silly package. Carter is worth at least 3 1st round picks.

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Tradde Carle for a cheap winger
Sign Paul Martin
Sign Hamhuis

Pronger-Martin
Hamhuis-Timonen
Coburn-Bartulis


****, my PS3 is broken......

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Tradde Carle for a cheap winger
Sign Paul Martin
Sign Hamhuis

Pronger-Martin
Hamhuis-Timonen
Coburn-Bartulis


****, my PS3 is broken......
Pretty much exactly what I'd do in NHL.

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So where is your boy Powe?

Carter won't be traded for that silly package. Carter is worth at least 3 1st round picks.
Silly package? Mason raymond looks ready to pot 30 of carters 40 goals a season, and is young. If you were to add a first from their side, they would say hell no

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Silly package? Mason raymond looks ready to pot 30 of carters 40 goals a season, and is young. If you were to add a first from their side, they would say hell no
If Raymond ready to pot 30, Carter is ready to pot 50.

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If Raymond ready to pot 30, Carter is ready to pot 50.
Wait, are you actually trying to troll me?

Raymond put up 25G 28A 53P Last year. He has improved every year in his career. What here doesn't suggest that with Giroux / Richards that he doesn't put up 30?

If you hate the flyers so much, why do you even post here?

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Kurtis Foster is a very good dman

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What about offering Cheechoo a cheap ass contract??

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Wait, are you actually trying to troll me?

Raymond put up 25G 28A 53P Last year. He has improved every year in his career. What here doesn't suggest that with Giroux / Richards that he doesn't put up 30?

If you hate the flyers so much, why do you even post here?
Raymond is good and improving, sure, but he is definitely not on Carter's level. Think about Carters value. He's an RFA that is nearing a 50 goal season. If he signs elsewhere we get 3 first round picks + some from that team. The trade value we get back would have to be equal to that. Schneider + Raymond does not equal that.

And who says Kaktus hates the Flyers?

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What about offering Cheechoo a cheap ass contract??

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Raymond is good and improving, sure, but he is definitely not on Carter's level. Think about Carters value. He's an RFA that is nearing a 50 goal season. If he signs elsewhere we get 3 first round picks + some from that team. The trade value we get back would have to be equal to that. Schneider + Raymond does not equal that.

And who says Kaktus hates the Flyers?
All that is needed is

Raymond + schneider + 1st + 3rd

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Wait, are you actually trying to troll me?

Raymond put up 25G 28A 53P Last year. He has improved every year in his career. What here doesn't suggest that with Giroux / Richards that he doesn't put up 30?

If you hate the flyers so much, why do you even post here?
Troll you? Just telling you that you are wrong. Like always.

Undersized winger and unproven goaltender, package you offered for Carter is a ****ing joke.

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Troll you? Just telling you that you are wrong. Like always.

Undersized winger and unproven goaltender, package you offered for Carter is a ****ing joke.
Lol like always. Just because you get 90% of the stuff you say around here wrong, don't start throwing it around at other people. Pfft

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I do not know how else to explain that to you...

Raymond and Schneider for Carter is a dumb ass trade even if Van adds 1st round pick which will be very high 1st round pick and won't really help us.

Not to mention that Flyers are ****ing loaded on LW with Gagne, Hartnell and JVR as well as Carcillo.

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