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06-30-2010, 10:17 AM
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A typical response from a Sens fan...we want everything and will give up a 6th and 7th round pick to get it...

Actually...when you really think about it...valuable assets (an oxymoron for a Sens fan) what do you really have...
You can replace Sens with any other team in the league and that statement would remain true

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06-30-2010, 10:18 AM
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The sens would be interested in Carter, not Briere. They want size up the middle, not a tiny winger, despite his scoring prowess. Cowen is the sens future premiere shutdown D - he's not being traded.
For the Flyers to even consider trading Jeff Carter, Bryan Murray better get a case of K-Y Jelly ready.

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06-30-2010, 10:19 AM
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A typical response from a Sens fan...we want everything and will give up a 6th and 7th round pick to get it...
...What? When did I say that?

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06-30-2010, 10:19 AM
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Work on those reading comprehension skills...I said a trade based on Fisher and Carter. So yeah, Sens would have to add...but those would be the base pieces.
Why would Flyers want Fisher for Carter period?

Carter is worth at least 3 1st round picks. With out Fisher.
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I can't believe how quick some Flyers fans are in terms of wanting to run Briere out of town. When he was moved back to center in the playoffs, he was our BEST forward. I think it's safe to say that Laviolette and company have realized that his best position is at center and to not use him there is a waste.

Besides, we all know it's Blair Betts that the Senaturds are interested in......lol
Bobby, no on eis running anyone out of town. Cap room for the next 3-4 years. Goalies for the next 3-4 years.

Briere won't be given away for nothing.


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06-30-2010, 10:19 AM
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I can't believe how quick some Flyers fans are in terms of wanting to run Briere out of town. When he was moved back to center in the playoffs, he was our BEST forward. I think it's safe to say that Laviolette and company have realized that his best position is at center and to not use him there is a waste.

Besides, we all know it's Blair Betts that the Senaturds are interested in......lol

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06-30-2010, 10:23 AM
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Karlsson for Briere

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06-30-2010, 10:23 AM
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I can't believe how quick some Flyers fans are in terms of wanting to run Briere out of town. When he was moved back to center in the playoffs, he was our BEST forward. I think it's safe to say that Laviolette and company have realized that his best position is at center and to not use him there is a waste.

Besides, we all know it's Blair Betts that the Senaturds are interested in......lol
ARGUABLEY our best offensive forward.

In the defensive end he might have been the worst forward.

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06-30-2010, 10:23 AM
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Oh god... just when I thought all of this Carter speculation was put to rest. Holmer has said time and time again he is not going to trade him. And people need to realize Briere has a NMC for the remainder of his contract (5 years) and after his incredible playoff run, do you really expect him to waive it?

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06-30-2010, 10:24 AM
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I can't believe how quick some Flyers fans are in terms of wanting to run Briere out of town. When he was moved back to center in the playoffs, he was our BEST forward. I think it's safe to say that Laviolette and company have realized that his best position is at center and to not use him there is a waste.

Besides, we all know it's Blair Betts that the Senaturds are interested in......lol
In 2-3 years Briere will be a giant salary cap albatross who's play will rapdily decline with age while his enourmous cap hit remains the same. If you can offload him now, while his value is highest since he was a free agent, you do it and invest his cap hit elsewhere. Just gotta hope that someone like Carter can step it up in the playoffs to pick up the slack.

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06-30-2010, 10:25 AM
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Yet when he's healthy, he's one of the best defensive forwards we have. Everyone seems to think he's a lazy floater on offense and that he doesn't try on defense but that's not true.

I'd probably start at Regin and 2 first rounders for Carter and then add one more piece.

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06-30-2010, 10:28 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Flyers in need of topline wingers? The only way I see the Sens sniffing around is if they are moving Spezza to another team in a 3 way deal.

To Ott:
Carter

To Team X:
Spezza

To Phi:
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top 6 winger/starting goalie

Senschirp has been wrong more than he's been right lately, I wouldnt' put much stock into it.

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06-30-2010, 10:30 AM
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If your dealing with the Flyers, all deals start with Karlsson.

Don't like it, hang up the phone.

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06-30-2010, 10:32 AM
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Briere is getting an unfair shake around here. As much as I don't like him, I am grudgingly going to admit that he is a very good player and that the Flyers are better off keeping him. The team has misused him for a few seasons now by hoping he could play wing, and hopefully that will change next season. Having three lines centered by Richards/Carter/Briere is an awesome problem to have.

The only bump in that road is that Giroux is also looking to be a good center. To be honest, the only center on the Flyers that is even possible to move is Carter but he'd take a king's ransom to pry away.

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06-30-2010, 10:32 AM
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As a sabres fan, seeing briere in a senators jersey would make me physically ill.
As a sens fan, seeing Briere's salary on our cap hit would make me ill

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A trade based around Fisher and Carter would be good for mixing up the culture of both teams.
The Flyers just went to the Cup Final. I don't think a "culture" mixup is a top priority.

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The sens would be interested in Carter, not Briere
What exactly do the Sens have to offer for Carter?

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Foligno + Lehner for Giroux
Non-starter. Lehner doesn't help us now, and we downgrade at forward.

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06-30-2010, 10:34 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Flyers in need of topline wingers? The only way I see the Sens sniffing around is if they are moving Spezza to another team in a 3 way deal.

To Ott:
Carter

To Team X:
Spezza

To Phi:
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top 6 winger/starting goalie

Senschirp has been wrong more than he's been right lately, I wouldnt' put much stock into it.
Id rather have Spezza

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If your dealing with the Flyers, all deals start with Karlsson.

Don't like it, hang up the phone.
ok there holmgren.

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06-30-2010, 10:42 AM
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Hell no. Fisher scored 50pts once in his career. Sens better add some serious talent to take overpaid Fisher off their hands.
If Briere can't even outscore the overpaid Fisher in the regular season, when Fisher gets paid a lot less and has a hell of a lot more in terms of intangibles, no way in hell I'd make that trade.

It'll take more than a good playoffs to make Briere a valuable commodity. 33 year old, undersized, soft, one-dimensional, huge contract. No way in hell I'd trade Fisher and Cowen for that. Carter is the only centre (aside from the obvious one Richards) I'd have any interest in.

Nice to see a loss in the Cup finals after squaking into the playoffs on the last day has turned all Flyers assets into gold, and apparently ruined whatever assets the Sens had.

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Id rather have Spezza
I would also, it's just the only way I could see it playing out. There is no way Ottawa can have to 5,000,000+ centres under their current salary structure.

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If your dealing with the Flyers, all deals start with Karlsson.
It makes sense value wise but asking for Karlson is a non-starter, he's off limits.

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If Briere can't even outscore the overpaid Fisher in the regular season, when Fisher gets paid a lot less and has a hell of a lot more in terms of intangibles, no way in hell I'd make that trade.

It'll take more than a good playoffs to make Briere a valuable commodity. 33 year old, undersized, one-dimensional, huge contract. No way in hell I'd trade Fisher and Cowen for that. Carter is the only centre (aside from the obvious one Richards) I'd have any interest in.
Are you ****ing nuts?

I would take Briere over Fisher any day of the week.

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If Briere can't even outscore the overpaid Fisher in the regular season, when Fisher gets paid a lot less and has a hell of a lot more in terms of intangibles, no way in hell I'd make that trade.
Didn't he break even while having teh worse NHL season while Fisher had the best lol. And it wasn't just one good playoff run.

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It'll take more than a good playoffs to make Briere a valuable commodity. 33 year old, undersized, one-dimensional, huge contract. No way in hell I'd trade Fisher and Cowen for that. Carter is the only centre (aside from the obvious one Richards) I'd have any interest in.
Well, good luck on UFA market then.

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Michalek + some D prospect?
I'm thinking Leclaire + one of our bluechip D prospects for Carter. But there's likely nothing to this rumour. Philly could do better than Leclaire in the goalie market.

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It makes sense value wise but asking for Karlson is a non-starter, he's off limits.
Well then, Ottawa should realize that Carter is a non-starter. We're not giving up a player we don't want to (Carter) unless the Sens are willing to do the same (Karlsson).

I agree the Sens wouldn't move Karlsson, but if he's not on the table, exactly what incentive do the Flyers have to move Carter? The answer is obvious.

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If Briere can't even outscore the overpaid Fisher in the regular season, when Fisher gets paid a lot less and has a hell of a lot more in terms of intangibles, no way in hell I'd make that trade.

It'll take more than a good playoffs to make Briere a valuable commodity. 33 year old, undersized, soft, one-dimensional, huge contract. No way in hell I'd trade Fisher and Cowen for that. Carter is the only centre (aside from the obvious one Richards) I'd have any interest in.

Nice to see a loss in the Cup finals after squaking into the playoffs on the last day has turned all Flyers assets into gold, and apparently ruined whatever assets the Sens had.
By all accounts, the Flyers had a tumultuous season and pretty much every player had a weak season offensively. You should also note that Briere had no steady role on the lineup and was getting mixed with a ton of players and thrown into a ton of different positions. He got steady time at center with regular linemates in the playoffs and the results speak for themselves.

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