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07-01-2010, 07:26 PM
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Yeah, maybe we can get something like a burned out Bertuzzi and Auld like Luongo did. That'll solve all our problems. Or maybe we should just waive him like Bryzgalov. I doubt we'd ever get Toskala and Blake like Giguere did.

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Why would you trade a top 3 goalie in the world? Who are you replacing him with? And just WHY?! That literally makes no sense what-so-ever.
That about sums it up. We have Staal, Hank and Gabs. Those are legit pieces for any stanley cup winner that we should keep. They need to be built around which if it wasn't for Drury and Redden we could add Kovie too. Assume noKovie our farm has enough pieces to fill out the top 6 over the next 2-3 years. In two years Hank and Gabs should STILL be just as good as they are now. Instead of Redden, Gilroy, Avery, Prospal, Christensen, we'd have grachev, stepan, Kreider, MZA (pending) Artem (more experienced obviously), McD, MDZ (more exp), Mcllrath.

That team in 3 years is much more TALENTED than what we have now. Whether it's better depends on experience and development but there is no question about the talent Grachev or kreider have over for example Avery. I think the team will also be leagues better because even with the young guys there's still Dubs, Cally, Staal, Girardi, hank, Drury and Roszi possibly. Artie and MDZ are 3 or 4 years in. It's just a much younger, much more talented, yet still very experienced team. Seems almost too good to be true how balanced the future seems to be. I think it would be a huge mistake to start trading away pieces and it would harm this team for years to trade away one of our big three.

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so we should trade Lundqvist for a proven offensive stud so that we can rebuild and eventually contend for the Cup? Why not just sign that proven offensive stud (ie. Kovalchuk), keep Hank between the pipes and contend in the very near future?

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07-01-2010, 07:40 PM
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I disagree.
If he stays healthly I could see Lundquist doing everything Richter has done EXPECT win a cup as a ranger.

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deriik2020 - you forgot Boogaard the talentless forward in your talent assessment. Locked up for 4 years.

What a steal. Sweet.

Edit: Maybe if Gaborik and others need the boogyman for peace of mind, and the goals-for go up, maybe the booger somehow earns his keep. But I doubt it.


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07-01-2010, 08:03 PM
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If he stays healthly I could see Lundquist doing everything Richter has done EXPECT win a cup as a ranger.
He would need to stay 2-3 years past the end of his contract to pass Richter for all time Ranger wins, I think.

We'll see. Players dont tend to stay on teams for their whole careers anymore in the modern NHL.

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deriik2020 - you forgot Boogaard the talentless forward in your talent assessment. Locked up for 4 years.

What a steal. Sweet.

Edit: Maybe if Gaborik and others need the boogyman for peace of mind, and the goals-for go up, maybe the booger somehow earns his keep. But I doubt it.
Or maybe the other teams do not run our goalie over as much, allowing him to be in better physical condition to best lead our team to the playoffs. Or maybe clowns like Carcillo never touch Marian Gaborik just because Boogaard would cave his face in.

Boogaard, while his contract is not great, can help this team. He does not have to be a good player to have a positive impact. The threat of him in the lineup is enough to have scare other teams from taking liberties.

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07-01-2010, 08:08 PM
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He would need to stay 2-3 years past the end of his contract to pass Richter for all time Ranger wins, I think.

We'll see. Players dont tend to stay on teams for their whole careers anymore in the modern NHL.
lundqvist is at 177 wins. He needs 125 more wins to pass Richter. Hes been averaging about 36 wins a season. It'll take him 3.5 more years to pass Richter.

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Or maybe the other teams do not run our goalie over as much, allowing him to be in better physical condition to best lead our team to the playoffs. Or maybe clowns like Carcillo never touch Marian Gaborik just because Boogaard would cave his face in.

Boogaard, while his contract is not great, can help this team. He does not have to be a good player to have a positive impact. The threat of him in the lineup is enough to have scare other teams from taking liberties.
don't try to talk sense to some of these xbox hockey GM's on this board. they want enforcers that can score, PK and QB the powerplay.

Did any of you look at how tougher our conference got to play against? Broken down 35yr old Shelly was a better option and then when he get's hurt it's Brashear part II in NY. I forgot, he won over all of your hearts by scoring a goal against the flyers.

we get the toughest, most feared fighter in the NHL and it's still not good enough for some of you . NYR are a miserable bunch i'm telling you.

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07-01-2010, 08:14 PM
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lundqvist is at 177 wins. He needs 125 more wins to pass Richter. Hes been averaging about 36 wins a season. It'll take him 3.5 more years to pass Richter.
He has 4 years left, so I guess I was off by a bit.

Still, if we plan on lightening his load, and the team doesnt look to impressive this year, then dont have him pegged for too many over 30 wins.

It is within the realm of possibility that he does not pass it.

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07-01-2010, 08:19 PM
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deriik2020 - you forgot Boogaard the talentless forward in your talent assessment. Locked up for 4 years.

What a steal. Sweet.

Edit: Maybe if Gaborik and others need the boogyman for peace of mind, and the goals-for go up, maybe the booger somehow earns his keep. But I doubt it.
I can't understand how this comment applies at all to what i'm saying. I said don't throw away Lundqvist Staal or Gabby b/c they are pieces that any team could contend with.

I then said the overall talent of this team looks like it will grow tremendously over the next few years. The cap will grow, the skill of guys like Artem and MDZ will grow as our prospects join.

How does 1.65 mil per year affect their growth or trading hank? Will 1.65 block re-signing them when Drury (7), Brash(1.8), voros (1), Avery(1.8), Roszi(5), prospal(1-2), EC (1) are all gone? Were you just kvetching for the sake of kvetching about Boogaard? Nothing I said should have illicited your response...Definitely Boogaard a botom 6 forward is NOT part of my argument involving TALENT and projected TOP 6 guys and top 4 D-men

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don't try to talk sense to some of these xbox hockey GM's on this board. they want enforcers that can score, PK and QB the powerplay.

Did any of you look at how tougher our conference got to play against? Broken down 35yr old Shelly was a better option and then when he get's hurt it's Brashear part II in NY. I forgot, he won over all of your hearts by scoring a goal against the flyers.

we get the toughest, most feared fighter in the NHL and it's still not good enough for some of you . NYR are a miserable bunch i'm telling you.
+1


I don't understand why everyone is acting like this signing was the end of the world. It wasn't that bad people!!!!!!

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I don't understand why everyone is acting like this signing was the end of the world. It wasn't that bad people!!!!!!
just forget it. they're not in reality. just look at the conference we're playing in.

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07-01-2010, 08:24 PM
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I think Boogaard is a fine player to have.

I do not

1. Think he needs to be in the roster every night
2. Think we needed to pay him what we did.

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we get the toughest, most feared fighter in the NHL and it's still not good enough for some of you .
It's not that simple. A one-dimensional enforcer doesn't add a lot to a team in this NHL.

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It's not that simple. A one-dimensional enforcer doesn't add a lot to a team in this NHL.
yep.

now, take away the instigator rule, and i think the argument becomes a lot more interesting.

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just forget it. they're not in reality. just look at the conference we're playing in.
Exactly, besides Philly which we all know what they did off the top of my head

Devils:Leblond and Clarkson
Isles: Gillies Jackman Hillen
Boston: Thorton and Lucic
Pens:Godard

Maybe just maybe, a fewer runs will be taken at Gabby, and Hank won't get pushed around so much. The small overpayment wasn't taking away from the missing piece to the cup.

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It's not that simple. A one-dimensional enforcer doesn't add a lot to a team in this NHL.
Oh yes it does.

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Hey, whatever happened to the big trade? Are we getting Jokinen?

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Yes, I suppose I am completely wrong for wishing the Boogaard acquisition never happened.
What will the bug-eyed Boogaard contribute? You're living in the past if you think he is the answer. He is a band-aid for other problems that Sather is not competent to address.

I agree that the talent will grow, and that the addition of the youth coming on board will be evident, just that it will take a bit. Do you really believe Boogaard should be signed for four years? If the modus operandi is to make bad acquisitions and then fumble around later finding a way to get rid of them, then you are welcome to that.

And sure, trade Lundqvist. Where is the goaltender that fills his skates coming from? What happens then when all you see is threads about where and how to get a top-tier goaltender?


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It's not that simple. A one-dimensional enforcer doesn't add a lot to a team in this NHL.
that's not true, because a real enforcer keeps star players/skill players from getting hurt from liberties taken upon them by scum. Also it allows them to play with more of a freedom knowing that another team's scum won't take advantage of them.

Besides all the 30g scoring enforcers were signed already.

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I think Boogaard is a fine player to have.

I do not

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2. Think we needed to pay him what we did.
Well said. Remember what Shanahan said about how guys had more courage when Orr was dressed. Yes, he is overpaid anywhere from $300,000-400,000. He doesn't need to be in the lineup every night. But, when punks like Carcillo and Cooke are the opposition, he is supposed to be the deterrent.

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that's not true, because a real enforcer keeps star players/skill players from getting hurt from liberties taken upon them by scum. Also it allows them to play with more of a freedom knowing that another team's scum won't take advantage of them.

Besides all the 30g scoring enforcers were signed already.
but...how exactly? Did Colton Orr really stop people from Running Henrik? Did he stop Chris Simon from tomahawking Hollweg in the face? Did Brashear stop Drury from getting a cheapshot to the head?

No, guys are going to take runs at our players. And our enforcer will just fight their enforcer, and thats it, the damage will be done. Its stupid. If you took out the instigator rule, then sure, our enforcer could pound the crap out of anyone who screws with our goalie, but in this day and age, where every point is so crucial, and with how specialty teams tend to make the difference on most nights, having an enforcer on the club to do scripted fights with opposition enforcers, is ********. They will run who they will run, then they will refuse to fight Boogaard. Hes either going to take an instigator, or hes just not going to have anyone to fight.

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but...how exactly? Did Colton Orr really stop people from Running Henrik? Did he stop Chris Simon from tomahawking Hollweg in the face? Did Brashear stop Drury from getting a cheapshot to the head?

No, guys are going to take runs at our players. And our enforcer will just fight their enforcer, and thats it, the damage will be done. Its stupid. If you took out the instigator rule, then sure, our enforcer could pound the crap out of anyone who screws with our goalie, but in this day and age, where every point is so crucial, and with how specialty teams tend to make the difference on most nights, having an enforcer on the club to do scripted fights with opposition enforcers, is ********. They will run who they will run, then they will refuse to fight Boogaard. Hes either going to take an instigator, or hes just not going to have anyone to fight.
Eventhough I tend to agree with you, I am kind of excited about seeing the boogeyman play for us. I don't like the terms at all, but I do like the guy and I do like having a bonafied heavyweight in the lineup

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lundqvist is at 177 wins. He needs 125 more wins to pass Richter. Hes been averaging about 36 wins a season. It'll take him 3.5 more years to pass Richter.
Imagined if we scored than a goal a game

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