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07-01-2010, 11:16 PM
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Honestly, if the team looked like this:

Gagne - Richards - Maroon
Hartnell - Carter - Briere
vanRiemsdyk - Giroux - Leino
Powe - Betts - Laperriere
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Pronger - Carle
Timonen - Coburn
Meszaros - O'Donnell
Bartulis

Mason
Leighton

This board would be ecstatic and excited about the season.

But because our team currently looks like this:

Gagne - Richards - Maroon
Hartnell - Carter - Briere
vanRiemsdyk - Giroux - Leino
Shelley - Betts - Laperriere
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Pronger - Carle
Timonen - Coburn
Meszaros - O'Donnell
Bartulis

Leighton
Boucher

They're all ready to jump off a bridge.
It's not that simple and you know it. The opportunity was out there do better than we did. We're probably going to end up moving salary too.

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07-01-2010, 11:18 PM
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It's not that simple and you know it. The opportunity was out there do better than we did. We're probably going to end up moving salary too.
What, you don't have faith in the man that decided we needed Jody F Shelley for 3 years to make the next move with the wisdom of a sage?

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What, you don't have faith in the man that decided we needed Jody F Shelley for 3 years to make the next move with the wisdom of a sage?
Next year at this time I have a feeling that we will be wishing that it was only as bad as this year.

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Hey Flyer fans I thought I'd give you a little info on Meszaros from his 3 years in Ottawa. In his rookie season he made the team out of camp when noone expected him to. He was 19 when camp began and played his way on to the team. Most thought he would play a year in the AHL, but that was not meant to be. He played great that year for us. A lot of skill and made good decisions with the puck. He struggled that year in the playoffs and really for the rest of his time in Ottawa.

He mainly played with Wade Redden and they both started going downhill around the same time. This would have been in the 06-07 season. The team went to the finals that year, but the Phillips-Volchenkov pairing was much stronger than the Meszaros-Redden pair. Even our third pair of Corvo and Preissing seemed to outplay them. By the next year both players were getting worse and they would both be gone after the 2008 season.

I haven't followed Mesz since he left for Tampa Bay because that would mean having to watch Tampa Bay games. I would say Meszaros' biggest problem is upstairs. He makes a lot of bonehead moves. He has the talent, but seems to lack hockey sense. He has a cannon of a shot and will be good on the power play, but I wouldn't expect to see him out there on the PK. It would probably be best to pair him with a defensive minded defenceman who can cover his mistakes.

All in all you are getting a talented player, but not a very smart one.

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07-02-2010, 01:04 AM
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Hey Flyer fans I thought I'd give you a little info on Meszaros from his 3 years in Ottawa. In his rookie season he made the team out of camp when noone expected him to. He was 19 when camp began and played his way on to the team. Most thought he would play a year in the AHL, but that was not meant to be. He played great that year for us. A lot of skill and made good decisions with the puck. He struggled that year in the playoffs and really for the rest of his time in Ottawa.

He mainly played with Wade Redden and they both started going downhill around the same time. This would have been in the 06-07 season. The team went to the finals that year, but the Phillips-Volchenkov pairing was much stronger than the Meszaros-Redden pair. Even our third pair of Corvo and Preissing seemed to outplay them. By the next year both players were getting worse and they would both be gone after the 2008 season.

I haven't followed Mesz since he left for Tampa Bay because that would mean having to watch Tampa Bay games. I would say Meszaros' biggest problem is upstairs. He makes a lot of bonehead moves. He has the talent, but seems to lack hockey sense. He has a cannon of a shot and will be good on the power play, but I wouldn't expect to see him out there on the PK. It would probably be best to pair him with a defensive minded defenceman who can cover his mistakes.

All in all you are getting a talented player, but not a very smart one.
(Coburn 2.0) + .8 million a year = Mezsaros?


Sweet deal.

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07-02-2010, 05:26 AM
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Kurtis Foster made $1.8 and was the better dman on the same team as Meszaros last year....Not to mention a RH shot that we need
Kurtis Foster is NOT a better D man than Meszaros. He is a powerplay specialist.

Meszaros had over 100 hits and 100 blocked shots last year. Pronger and Coburn did that for us this year. Meszaros is a good pickup, but it was still kind of unnecessary, but I rather him than Morris, Lydman, Tallinder or some of the other UFAs around

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Meszaros seems like a McCabe-type defensman.
I'm not sure it's exactly what this team needs, I think a bit more defensive minded player would be a better fit.

The value of that 2nd rounder might even favour us a bit in this trade, but I still don't like it how we piss away all of our picks, especially since Homer could've just waited a few minutes longer and check the market before making this trade. He's fallen in love with Mesz and Shelley and completely forgot about the team he has to manage.

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It's not that simple and you know it. The opportunity was out there do better than we did. We're probably going to end up moving salary too.
Yes it is. Shelley's playing 4th line which he will, if lucky, see 6 minutes of ice time per game. Which that's a BIG "if lucky" because if Betts and Lappy are playing PK (which I assume YES) then having them out there gives times for the top 2 lines to rest and be ready for even strength, which means more time for the top 3 lines to be out there.

We now also have 5 solid D and a decent 6/7 defensemen, which can easily be rotated in game with various pairing so give Pronger a freaking rest so he doesn't have to play 35 minutes per game.

The only real question at this point is whether or not Leighton is going to play to par with how he did from Feb-June. It really is that simple.

As for Maroon in his lineup, we'll see which young guns are going to come in come training camp.

Everyone says better moves could have been made. I wish more people would consider that maybe a lot of the players in those "moves" didn't want to come to Philly? Ever think the Flyers signed Leighton on June 30 because Turco and Nabokov told them they have zero interest in playing for the Flyers, so they signed Leights because after being in the SCF last year, someone was bound to grab him? Who do the Flyers go with them if Turco and Nabokov and Mason and Ellis bail on the Flyers, and Leighton signs with someone else?

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Ever think the Flyers signed Leighton on June 30 because Turco and Nabokov told them they have zero interest in playing for the Flyers, so they signed Leights because after being in the SCF last year, someone was bound to grab him? Who do the Flyers go with them if Turco and Nabokov and Mason and Ellis bail on the Flyers, and Leighton signs with someone else?
It's possible, but likely would only happen because we lowballed them.

And the answer to your last question is easy, work out a transfer agreement for the KHL wins leader... Robert Esche!

http://en.khl.ru/statistics/?section=goalie

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07-02-2010, 07:19 AM
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(Coburn 2.0) + .8 million a year = Mezsaros?


Sweet deal.
Sounds more like a combination of Coburn and Carle.

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I mean the only thing im thinking is that the 4th line wont get that much ice time anyway. We essentially have a 1a 1b and 1c lineup. They all need big ice time in order to be effective. Lappy and Betts play the PK so I'm assuming Shelley will do alot of bench riding. (for 1.1 million)

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It's possible, but likely would only happen because we lowballed them.

And the answer to your last question is easy, work out a transfer agreement for the KHL wins leader... Robert Esche!

http://en.khl.ru/statistics/?section=goalie
$5 million salary cap hit for Robert Esche = Stanley Cup Champions!

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Kurtis Foster is NOT a better D man than Meszaros. He is a powerplay specialist.

Meszaros had over 100 hits and 100 blocked shots last year. Pronger and Coburn did that for us this year. Meszaros is a good pickup, but it was still kind of unnecessary, but I rather him than Morris, Lydman, Tallinder or some of the other UFAs around
I dont disagree, but there is a salary cap, factoring in that and what this team needed, Foster was a better fit.

Especially if this means we lose Gagne.

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I dont disagree, but there is a salary cap, factoring in that and what this team needed, Foster was a better fit.

Especially if this means we lose Gagne.
Well you said Foster was better player than Mes, not a better fit.

Even still Foster is not a good fit. He is almost like a MAB. Pure Powerplay. We needed a steady Defensive D man for number 5.

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Well you said Foster was better player than Mes, not a better fit.

Even still Foster is not a good fit. He is almost like a MAB. Pure Powerplay. We needed a steady Defensive D man for number 5.
Meszaros isn't a defensive d man. He's a solid two way guy. I know his point totals were low the past two seasons in Tampa Bay, but last season was the first time in two years that he was healthy. He has had extensive shoulder problems and after finally getting the shoulder fixed, he played a more conservative game and Tocchet used him more conservatively.

Honestly, I thought Meszaros was one of the best Tampa Bay defensemen last year when it came to the defensive side of the game. Blocking shots, throwing hits, and just doing the little things to help win games. He was even crease clearing at one point, which is something he's never done during his career.

The trade here opens up Meszaros' game again and he'll be able to fly around out there. I think he's going to be the guy who gets to play with Timonen and that's going to make for lots of fun out there.

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The trade here opens up Meszaros' game again and he'll be able to fly around out there. I think he's going to be the guy who gets to play with Timonen and that's going to make for lots of fun out there.
The problem with that is Coburn hasn't demonstrated any ability to lead a pairing yet.

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The problem with that is Coburn hasn't demonstrated any ability to lead a pairing yet.
In fact, he seems to forget how to play when someone isn't holding his hand.

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I think "I am the Mush" hit the nail on the head. Coburn and Meszaros are the same player, young, talented and inconsistant. I think Coburn will be traded. I would love to see the Flyers deal Boucher and Coburn to the Wild for Zanon, Harding and a second (so we have another second to trade, it's like eating potato chips you've got to have more than one). It would create another million in cap space and give us a young goalie. Zanon is a Flyer type of guy.
Shelly will get 6 minutes a game as a shift disturber. You don't want any 4th line guy out there when you can roll the three lines we have. Shelley brings size and fight that we didn't have. We just overpaid by 2 years. If it gets to be too much, you give him a map of Up State NY and say, "Happy Trails."

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The problem with that is Coburn hasn't demonstrated any ability to lead a pairing yet.
Which is why I think Coburn gets partnered with O'Donnell. Coburn will be allowed to skate freely and play an offensive role. O'Donnell is the more defensive oriented guy who will cover up for Coburn. I could see that pairing work really well.

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Which is why I think Coburn gets partnered with O'Donnell. Coburn will be allowed to skate freely and play an offensive role. O'Donnell is the more defensive oriented guy who will cover up for Coburn. I could see that pairing work really well.
can O'Donnell skate fast enough to make up for a Coburn bonehead mistake?

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can O'Donnell skate fast enough to make up for a Coburn bonehead mistake?
no and he is almost 40

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no and he is almost 40
Which is why O'Donnell is a stay-at-home defensemen. The only time he should cross the red line is in the second period to come off the ice.

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Pronger - Meszaros
Coburn - Carle
Timonen - O'Donnell

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Coburn - Carle
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