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07-01-2010, 11:46 AM
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At least, Hamrlik's contract will be coming to an end after next season, when he's still only 36. Gonchar will be approaching 39 before the 5.5 cap hit falls off the Ottawa payroll...
50 points in 62 games last year.

This is a good signing by Ottawa, as he fills a huge need. They had to give him 3 years, because he will make them much better.

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People hugely underate how important elite two-way puck-moving Dmen are important.

Pittsburg is gonna suffer from this, and Ottawa just got that much better.

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True, Roman Hamrlik is a much better contract!
Nope, but at least he gets to GTFO in one season.

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07-01-2010, 11:49 AM
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lol too much cash and too many years for someone whos 35 and RIGHT on the decline as evidence by moen blowing right by the dude in game 7

good for ottawa for like 1 year, but itll hurt down the road

and what idiots at TSN, if your gonna say CAPITAL INVESTMENT, do it for washington not ottawa i dont give a crap if they are the nation capital

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People hugely underate how important elite two-way puck-moving Dmen are important.

Pittsburg is gonna suffer from this, and Ottawa just got that much better.
Signg a 36 year old to a 3 year contract for big money is a large risk in the cap world. After 35 I think if the player retires you still get the cap hit.

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At least, Hamrlik's contract will be coming to an end after next season, when he's still only 36. Gonchar will be approaching 39 before the 5.5 cap hit falls off the Ottawa payroll...
I'd much prefer gonchar. Good signing by Ottawa IMO

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07-01-2010, 11:51 AM
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lol too much cash and too many years for someone whos 35 and RIGHT on the decline as evidence by moen blowing right by the dude in game 7

good for ottawa for like 1 year, but itll hurt down the road

and what idiots at TSN, if your gonna say CAPITAL INVESTMENT, do it for washington not ottawa i dont give a crap if they are the nation capital
Gonchar is actually 36.

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Which means? He made one mistake, he's terrible? If Fleury isn't the sieve he was, nobody talks about the play. But I know. This is Habs board. You make 1 mistake, you are terrible till the end of days...
Show me where I said he was terrible sir. Funny how you're basically accusing the Habs board of overreactions while you're overreacting yourself.

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I think he has a NMC, which might make things tricky down the road

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Bad contract to the Sens, 3 years on a 36 years old player with a NTC... he is on the decline.

You guys remember when Moen owned him in the playoffs ?

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Signg a 36 year old to a 3 year contract for big money is a large risk in the cap world. After 35 I think if the player retires you still get the cap hit.
Yes! They have to pay him no matter what.

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Signg a 36 year old to a 3 year contract for big money is a large risk in the cap world. After 35 I think if the player retires you still get the cap hit.
True, but if there are guys worth giving a 35+ contract to it's the likes of Gonchar (premier PMD), not Spacek (just to illustrate my point).

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C'mon we'd all want Gonchar if we had the room, this is a good signing for Ottawa despite the age... He will live up to the contract though.

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Bad contract to the Sens, 3 years on a 36 years old player with a NTC... he is on the decline.

You guys remember when Moen owned him in the playoffs ?
We're apparently not allowed to bring that up because even mentioning it means we think he's terrible.

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07-01-2010, 11:55 AM
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Gonchar is a good player, but I don't understand the Sens logic with this signing...really don't.

Not at that kind of money, not at that age...they don't want to pay Volchenkov 4M+, but they have no problem signing Gonchar for MORE money than he made on his last deal?

It'll help their PP...but not much else

Almost 12M tied up in Gonchar & Kovalev eeesshhh!

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07-01-2010, 11:57 AM
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Show me where I said he was terrible sir. Funny how you're basically accusing the Habs board of overreactions while you're overreacting yourself.
When your only comment about a trade is show a vid of a terrible play, pretty sure you didn't want to say how great a trade was. But I'm sure you suddenly feel that he is a great player that just ended up making a bad play.

Mention the play all you want, how is that relevant to the quality of a player. I can show your 1000 plays that every star in the league does...

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he is old, but they just gave the cash, and there it is

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Almost 12M tied up in Gonchar & Kovalev eeesshhh!
More like 10.5M for both, but your point is still valid.

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Gonchar is a good player, but I don't understand the Sens logic with this signing...really don't.

Not at that kind of money, not at that age...they don't want to pay Volchenkov 4M+, but they have no problem signing Gonchar for MORE money than he made on his last deal?

It'll help their PP...but not much else

Almost 12M tied up in Gonchar & Kovalev eeesshhh!
It could end up a wash. Winning on the PP. Losing ES. Losing a shot blocking guy, tough D to play against, winning a puck moving d-man......Hockey decision wise, it could go either way. They might suffer in the playoffs when the going gets tough. But in the regular season, when you are actually allowed to have some PP, it might be worth it.

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Good on the PK horrible in his own end. 5.5 NTC 3 years = too much money!

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When your only comment about a trade is show a vid of a terrible play, pretty sure you didn't want to say how great a trade was. But I'm sure you suddenly feel that he is a great player that just ended up making a bad play.

Mention the play all you want, how is that relevant to the quality of a player. I can show your 1000 plays that every star in the league does...
Well as long as you're pretty sure then go ahead and put words in my mouth, my bad.

Just because I post a video of a Hab making a player who just signed look bad doesn't mean I think that player sucks. That's your logic leap. I watch hockey, I know how good Gonchar is. Go put words in other peoples mouths.

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It could end up a wash. Winning on the PP. Losing ES. Losing a shot blocking guy, tough D to play against, winning a puck moving d-man......Hockey decision wise, it could go either way. They might suffer in the playoffs when the going gets tough. But in the regular season, when you are actually allowed to have some PP, it might be worth it.
Where they lose big is they let a 27-28 year old walk and signed a 36 year old.

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Gonchar is a good player, but I don't understand the Sens logic with this signing...really don't.

Not at that kind of money, not at that age...they don't want to pay Volchenkov 4M+, but they have no problem signing Gonchar for MORE money than he made on his last deal?

It'll help their PP...but not much else

Almost 12M tied up in Gonchar & Kovalev eeesshhh!
We have 13M tied up in Gomez & Hamrlik.

Whats your point?

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It could end up a wash. Winning on the PP. Losing ES. Losing a shot blocking guy, tough D to play against, winning a puck moving d-man......Hockey decision wise, it could go either way. They might suffer in the playoffs when the going gets tough. But in the regular season, when you are actually allowed to have some PP, it might be worth it.
dont get me wrong...I understand why they signed him, he's still a very good player. I just don't think it was what they needed necessarily.

Gonchar, Karlsson, Kuba...that's great on the PP. But they will really struggle in their own end and Phillips isn't getting any younger despite being very effective.

This deal looks an awful lot like the Kovalev signing last year...

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