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07-01-2010, 07:44 PM
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Loving the forward depth right now

TOP-6 FORWARDS PAID TO PRODUCE:
Mike Cammalleri
Brian Gionta
Scott Gomez
Tomas Plekanec
Andrei Kostitsyn

WILDCARD OFFENSIVE GUYS:
Benoit Pouliot
Lars Eller
Max Pacioretty

CHECKING LINE PLAYERS:
Travis Moen
Maxim Lapierre
Tom Pyatt
Mathieu Darche
Ryan White
Dustin Boyd (could also put up some points)

NHL-READY OUT OF HAMILTON:
Ben Maxwell
Brock Trotter
David Desharnais
Aaron Palushaj

Except for the fact that we don't have any *real* superstar, this forward group is extremely solid.

Any surprises in camp?

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07-01-2010, 07:52 PM
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I think Patches will be the surprise out of camp this year. Hopefully he doesnt' get hurt right away a la O'Byrne.

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My only concern is Ak-Bp. Two freaking enigmas

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I'd expect solid seasons from the top-5

Cammalleri needs to be at 40 goals

Gionta we need 60 points

Gomez needs to rebound, 70 points would be nice

Plekanec needs to have a similar season

AK needs to bring it, 30 goals and 70 points.

Pouliot needs to score 25

One of Eller, Pacioretty might get 40+ points

Subban and Markov could be looking at 100 points between them both.

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07-01-2010, 07:58 PM
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Any surprises in camp?
If Enqvist makes it to camp, I think he's a darkhorse.

But I beg to differ with you. It's not a extremely solid group. It's pretty average. This is not the lineup of a team that can reasonably hope to reach the semi-finals two years in a row.

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07-01-2010, 08:11 PM
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As of now,

My lineup is:

Pouliot-Gomez-Gionta
Cammalleri-Plekanec-Kostitsyn
Pacioretty-Eller-Moen
Boyd-Lapierre-Pyatt
Darche

Markov
Subban
Gorges
Hamrlik
Spacek
Gill
O'Byrne

Price
Auld

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07-01-2010, 08:17 PM
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I wish I was as optimistic as you are. I see that we still need some veteran presence in our bottom 6, except Moen, they're all under 25 yrs old.

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I'd say it's a decent lineup. Playoff contender, but other than that things will need to click on every front for us to finish the season as a real player.

I'm looking forward to lots of interesting albeit marginal training camp battles for bottom-6 spots. There are openings for young guys.

Still not thrilled about our 2 complementary scoring forwards namely Pouliot and Kostitsyn, but I guess it's possible to assume they have a decent chance of having a come-back/break-out year.

But I can't help but feel there's something missing there, this doesn't look like a team that'll find an extra gear offensively.

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07-01-2010, 08:24 PM
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We need another top-six Forward (c) Frolov

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We still need that last top 6 forward which would bump Pouliot down to the third line with Eller and Lapierre. It'd be nice to not only have a more reliable top 6 night in and night out but also to have a big, fast third line that can chip in offensively.

Frolov or Neal (via offersheet) in. Hamrlik out.

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I'd say it's a decent lineup. Playoff contender, but other than that things will need to click on every front for us to finish the season as a real player.

I'm looking forward to lots of interesting albeit marginal training camp battles for bottom-6 spots. There are openings for young guys.

Still not thrilled about our 2 complementary scoring forwards namely Pouliot and Kostitsyn, but I guess it's possible to assume they have a decent chance of having a come-back/break-out year.

But I can't help but feel there's something missing there.

Would like to see more sandpaper.

Wouldn't say it's a soft lineup per se....but they need a forward or 2 who other teams are afraid of or at least makes them look over their shoulder....like a Mike Richards.

and a big defenceman that plays the body at every chance.

I just don't think this lineup can grind out playoff wins when they have to.

Come crunch time they're too easy to play against, by not making the other team pay.

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I am one player away from being satisfied. Maybe one tough bottom six guys like Aaron Asham or Evgeni Artyukhin, or an upgrade on the bottom six by adding Torres or Moore but I don't think so, or a capable offensive scorer like Alexander Frolov.

But we'd need to trade Hamrlik or Spacek for that to happen (Frolov).

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Needs another top 6 guy.

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Would like to see more sandpaper.

Wouldn't say it's a soft lineup per se....but they need a forward or 2 who other teams are afraid of or at least makes them look over their shoulder....like a Mike Richards.

and a big defenceman that plays the body at every chance.

I just don't think this lineup can grind out playoff wins when they have to.

Come crunch time they're too easy to play against, by not making the other team pay.
I think there will be lots of people to agree with the sandpaper comment including me but I think it's also pretty obvious this is not what Martin and co. are all about. They want speed, intelligence and a high compete level. They're not looking to build a team with an intimidating presence or guys to dominate down low.

For better or worse, this is what we'll be seeing this year. Lots of speedy and smart players playing a fast up tempo but conservative defense first style. As such their logic was respected, they weeded out the last square peg round hole type of players we had like Laraque and now they're ready to give those spots to guys who will create a more homogeneous group.

We'll see how that turns out.

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Prob is that you only have 5 top 6. What happens if a couple of injuries strike?

Habs need at least another top 6 guy. Who is left?

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Needs another top 6 guy.
Agree wholeheartedly. I was about to make a thread entitled: "Is this really the best we can do with our top six??"

We have no depth. If all of our players have their best seasons ever, we may get as far as we did last year. That means no injuries too. One or two of either Cams, AK46, Gionta and Pleks is sure to be injured for 20+ games. Where does that leave us? Pacioretty? Eller? Pouliot? Cmon.

We are lacking in depth in terms of proven players up front. We have a lot of potential but I'm sick of trading expereince like Halak for "potential". I'm very disappointed with the moves so far but I'm optimistic something will change because I love the Habs.

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Prob is that you only have 5 top 6. What happens if a couple of injuries strike?

Habs need at least another top 6 guy. Who is left?
I think someone everyone is writing off as well is trotter he's stilla 5'11 forward wtih 80 points in 70 ahl games

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Agree wholeheartedly. I was about to make a thread entitled: "Is this really the best we can do with our top six??"

We have no depth. If all of our players have their best seasons ever, we may get as far as we did last year. That means no injuries too. One or two of either Cams, AK46, Gionta and Pleks is sure to be injured for 20+ games. Where does that leave us? Pacioretty? Eller? Pouliot? Cmon.

We are lacking in depth in terms of proven players up front. We have a lot of potential but I'm sick of trading expereince like Halak for "potential". I'm very disappointed with the moves so far but I'm optimistic something will change because I love the Habs.
when have we ever traded a proven performer for potential? ever?

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Far from finished and the D pairings are wrong, but so far, this is what we have to work with next year.


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I am pretty sure we will add another top 9, maybe Guerin, Poni, Lombardi, etc.

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I am pretty sure we will add another top 9, maybe Guerin, Poni, Lombardi, etc.
Let's hope so; I don't really see how this team does better than last year right now, and that's the biggest hole.

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TOP-6 FORWARDS PAID TO PRODUCE:
Mike Cammalleri
Brian Gionta
Scott Gomez
Tomas Plekanec
Andrei Kostitsyn

WILDCARD OFFENSIVE GUYS:
Benoit Pouliot
Lars Eller
Max Pacioretty

CHECKING LINE PLAYERS:
Travis Moen
Maxim Lapierre
Tom Pyatt
Mathieu Darche
Ryan White
Dustin Boyd (could also put up some points)

NHL-READY OUT OF HAMILTON:
Ben Maxwell
Brock Trotter
David Desharnais
Aaron Palushaj

Except for the fact that we don't have any *real* superstar, this forward group is extremely solid.

Any surprises in camp?
Except for the fact that the HABS don't have any real superstars - their NHL lineup
is essentially the same as it was to finish the 2009 - 2010 season!

Lars Eller is unproven at the NHL level.

I'm not sure what makes you feel that Maxwell, Trotter, Desharnais or Palushaj are anywhere near NHL ready - and if they are - it will be 4th line duty!

Max Pacioretty, since turning pro has struggled to score - even at the AHL level!

The reality is..........the Habs were THE lowest scoring team 5-on-5 in the entire NHL last season - I don't see that they have done anything to remedy that!

The Habs just lost their playoff MVP (Halak) which should make 2010 - 2011 a very interesting season............to say the least!



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Someone posted this on Eklund, thought it was funny. Yes, Armstrong is paid to blindside, not to score. I know.

Colby Armstrong:
age: 27
6'2" 195lb
GP: 79 G: 15 A:14 Pts: 29
$3,000,000

Dustin Boyd
age: 23
6'0" 192lb
GP: 78 G: 11 A: 13 Pts: 24
$650,000

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when have we ever traded a proven performer for potential? ever?
Were you out of the country?

Didn't the Habs just trade Halak for Lars Eller who has an entire 7 NHL games experience?



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I hope Trotter get a shot at making the NHL. Guy Boucher had very good words for him at the end of the season|playoffs.

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