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07-01-2010, 09:59 PM
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Did they offer a NTC?
They may have only offered a one year deal for all I know.

I'm still curious to hear who you thought would have been a better fit in the bottom 6 than Manny Malhotra?

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It certainly isn't a shock to watch all of you automatons unable to pull your noses from Gillis butt long enough to think critically about giving this guy a NTC.

I could have predicted most of your opinions before any of the signings were announced: "I salute our money puck overlord!", "great signing!", "luv this signing",etc etc so on so on so forth.
This coming from someone as predictable as yourself is priceless.

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Malhotra got a limited NTC. That means he gets to pick a list of teams he can be traded to. This doesn't prevent the Canucks from trading him at all.
AKA the Edmonton clause. "Here is my list of the 28 teams I am willing to go to."

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Why didn't they buy out Johnson?
Because Johnson never hurt the team. He wasn't a liability, he didn't have a big contract and he was well-liked by his teammates.

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AKA the Edmonton clause. "Here is my list of the 28 teams I am willing to go to."
Hah. Funny and true.

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Because Johnson never hurt the team. He wasn't a liability, he didn't have a big contract and he was well-liked by his teammates.
Oh. Didn't know that. In fact, I thought it was the complete opposite. Thanks for this info.

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Oh. Didn't know that. In fact, I thought it was the complete opposite. Thanks for this info.
You? Take a negative position regarding the Canucks?

I don't believe it.

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Malhotra has been a 30 point player and a good PKer for the better part of the last 6 seasons now. He's just entering his age 30-32 seasons. I don't think we're going to see a decline here. If he continues to put up those 30 points while remaining a solid penalty killer, it's money well spent.
Yeah, I think Malhotra's being shortchanged. He's been the centre on a couple very good even strength lines over the last couple years. Last year in San Jose his line was dominant at even strength.

'09-'10

2.91 goals for/60MIN - 1.38 goals against 60MIN

The year before he played 18:00 a night under Ken Hitchcock and was on a strong 5 on 5 line again...

'08-'09

2.60 goals for/60MIN - 1.94 goals against/60MIN

Malhotra has been a very effective even strength player over the last few years playing relatively difficult opposition. He's also done well with 1st and 2nd unit PK icetime.

You're only going to be disappointed by Malhotra if you're relying on him for consistent offense. For what the Canucks need out of him I think he'll do very well in Vancouver. If Malhotra fills a role similar to Chris Kelly in Ottawa I think it's a success.

Ryan Kesler has taken an insane number of defensive zone draws over the last couple years - Malhotra should help lighten the load in this regard considerably next year. Could this mean Kesler takes another step offensively? Hard to imagine but stranger things have happened.

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Ryan Kesler has taken an insane number of defensive zone draws over the last couple years - Malhotra should help lighten the load in this regard considerably next year. Could this mean Kesler takes another step offensively? Hard to imagine but stranger things have happened.
Having both of them on the ice (in case one is thrown out) to take faceoffs in our zone late in the game in a one goal game. Can see that being the difference in at least a game or two given his insane faceoff winning percentage.

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'08-'09

2.60 goals for/60MIN - 1.94 goals against/60MIN
When he did this he was playing against the toughest competition of regular forwards on Columbus too.

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Ryan Kesler has taken an insane number of defensive zone draws over the last couple years - Malhotra should help lighten the load in this regard considerably next year. Could this mean Kesler takes another step offensively? Hard to imagine but stranger things have happened.
Which is the main thing for me. If Malhotra can ease the pressure of taking defensive zone faceoffs and penalty killing off of Kesler, we may see a bit more offensive Kesler.

Any chance that Malhotra becomes the first unit centre on the PK? Not because I think he's a better defensive player, but that would give Kesler more even strength minutes to work with and obviously more offensive opportunities.

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Having both of them on the ice (in case one is thrown out) to take faceoffs in our zone late in the game in a one goal game. Can see that being the difference in at least a game or two given his insane faceoff winning percentage.
On a team level, an increase from 50% to 60% on faceoffs is worth about 25 goal differential according to Behind the Net (link). I don't think it's unrealistic to think that the effect of Malhotra's faceoff abilities is ~+5 goal differential over the course of a season versus Wellwood/Johnson.

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Having both of them on the ice (in case one is thrown out) to take faceoffs in our zone late in the game in a one goal game. Can see that being the difference in at least a game or two given his insane faceoff winning percentage.
Yeah, he was the league's best faceoff man last year. That's a huge attribute to add to the table - having a LH and RH centreman that excels on faceoffs.

It hasn't been talked about a whole lot but the Canucks have gone from being a good skating team to an elite skating team. Ballard, Hamhuis, Malhotra, Oreskovich and Tambellini are all very very good skaters. Have the Canucks ever iced a team that could skate like the group they've just assembled?

Making your team faster as well as harder to play against isn't an easy task. It looks like the Canucks have done just that.

Now move Cory Schneider for a quality roster player. If you're going to go for it, go for it.

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Yeah, he was the league's best faceoff man last year. That's a huge attribute to add to the table - having a LH and RH centreman that excels on faceoffs.

It hasn't been talked about a whole lot but the Canucks have gone from being a good skating team to an elite skating team. Ballard, Hamhuis, Malhotra, Oreskovich and Tambellini are all very very good skaters. Have the Canucks ever iced a team that could skate like the group they've just assembled?

Making your team faster as well as harder to play against isn't an easy task. It looks like the Canucks have done just that.

Now move Cory Schneider for a quality roster player. If you're going to go for it, go for it.
Nah, I think we need to move Bieksa for another quick, gritty third line LW and get excited for training camp.

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Now move Cory Schneider for a quality roster player. If you're going to go for it, go for it.
I was going to agree, but then we might be better off holding onto him for now. For 900k, he makes an awfully good backup to Luongo and insurance incase he gets injured. Besides, there's a good chance Bieksa fetches more in a trade than Schneider does, so hopefully we get that good, cheap bottom-6 player for Bieksa.

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On a team level, an increase from 50% to 60% on faceoffs is worth about 25 goal differential according to Behind the Net (link). I don't think it's unrealistic to think that the effect of Malhotra's faceoff abilities is ~+5 goal differential over the course of a season versus Wellwood/Johnson.
But is that assuming both players take the same amount of faceoffs? Because Malhotra should see a TON more draws than Kyle Wellwood or Ryan Johnson ever did.

Depending who plays on the 4th line the Canucks could be the best faceoff team in the NHL next season. The Canucks will start with the puck a lot and are very good at holding onto it - that's a great combination.

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Oh. Didn't know that. In fact, I thought it was the complete opposite. Thanks for this info.
Seconded, Johnson was awful last year. Definitely contributed to our bad PK, didn't do anything offensively, and got hurt a lot. I'd call him a liability.

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Or let's just keep him in the cupboard until the food goes bad and throw him in the trash.

The classic Canuck development system.

You guys forget about the Sedins so quickly.
For Pete's sake, let him show he can make the freaking team first. He isn't being "kept in the cupboard" - he ain't even fully baked!

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Not only did Malhotra outscore Wellwood, he's a great faceoff guy and penalty killer. I think he's definitely worth the extra million or so over Wellwood. In a perfect world, they'd be able to grow a player like that within the organization at a cheaper price, but there's not really anyone like that in the pipeline. He's probably overpaid by about 750k, but it's nice to see Gillis getting something done. On July 1, if you're only willing to pay someone what they're worth, you end up with Brad Isbister and Jan Bulis.

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Seconded, Johnson was awful last year. Definitely contributed to our bad PK, didn't do anything offensively, and got hurt a lot. I'd call him a liability.
some people just see his blocked shots and think he's an elite pker, it drove me insaine watching somebody fake a shot and johnson go flying out of the zone, turning it into a 5-3 and they would usually score

Malhotra is exactly what this team needs on the bottom 6, Elite faceoff man solid pker letting burrows and kesler move to the 2nd unit keeping them fresher

best free agent day I've seen the canucks have since i've been a fan

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if you're only willing to pay someone what they're worth, you end up with Brad Isbister and Jan Bulis.
Or Marc Chouinard, Ryan Johnson, Kyle Wellwood, Byron Ritchie, the list goes on. The fact that we actually brought in a proven third line player, albeit at top-dollar, is a refreshing breath of fresh air.

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Now move Cory Schneider for a quality roster player. If you're going to go for it, go for it.
moving Schneids is a trade deadline move. we haven't even showcased him enough yet to increase his value. (maybe decrease, lets hope not)

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Bit of an overpayment but a solid signing regardless and fills a great need. Should help take the load of pressure off of kesler/burrows in regards to the their defensive responsibilities.

Malhotra is one of the best third line centers out there, a elite face off man, fast and a great pker, he will help in improving the PK/FO substantially.


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Having both of them on the ice (in case one is thrown out) to take faceoffs in our zone late in the game in a one goal game. Can see that being the difference in at least a game or two given his insane faceoff winning percentage.
Don't forget.... Kesler is a right handed shot and Malhotra is a left-handed shot. So late in a game....the two could alternate depending on which side of the ice the faceoff is in.... which will only increase both players' faceoff winning percentages..... which are both already insane as it is.

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I think it's safe to come back around here after craziness that happened when the Canucks were eliminated!

I firmly believe that the reason Gillis didn't offer Malhotra anything last year was because he had Wellwood & Johnson and thought Hodgson was going to be a factor. This year he's choosing not to count on a rookie for anything. That's the way that Detroit does it and that's the way it should be done, IMO. Gillis has said several times that if anyone shows he can make the team then he will stay on the team. It was proven with Aaron Rome last year. He had a great training camp and when the time came for someone to go, he stayed up. If Hodgson or Schroeder or anyone shows plays well enough then they'll get their opportunity to prove it. Unless you're a Top 5 wunderkind prospect there's no need to be rushed into the NHL.

On Malhotra -> Some are saying the Canucks overpaid but the market dictates what he's paid. The alternative was what, exactly? Matt Cullen got 3.5. Is there a huge difference there? He's overpaid if you look at Burrows and Samuelsson but people said Samuelsson was overpaid last year! Burrows is very underpaid but he's also shown that he is only a $2 million player when he's not with Hank and Dank.

Back when he was with Columbus, Ken Hitchcock really liked Malhotra because of how he accepted the defensive role. He would often put him up with Rick Nash because he knew he could count on Malhotra to make smart plays. Malhotra didn't have a job right away last year because he wanted to go to a winner and most of those teams didn't have room. He took less money to go to a good team and proved himself. If you add in a 4th line centre who can kill penalties too then Ryan Kesler's life just got a whole lot better. Regardless of Ryan Johnson's faceoff %, he always seemed to lost the important draws.

Pierre McGuire really showed his true colours today with his ridiculous rant about Cody Hodgson. Both Kesler and Malhotra can play the wing in the future if needed. The way things line up right now, Sammy has 2 years left and Burr & Malhotra have 3. Who knows about Raymond? In 3 years, Hodgson & Schroeder's ELC's will have expired and they'll need bigger money. The Sedins will have just 1 year left on their deal. It's clear to me that while Gillis is trying to WIN NOW, he's also operating under the assumption that he's going to be here for a long time so he better not make a mess of things.

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