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07-01-2010, 01:30 PM
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Would you rather have extra cap space going into the season and not be a better team or have no room (like Chicago) but actually challenge for the Cup?
I'd rather spend the cap room to overpay a bit on a dman that i'm targeting.

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no, seriously dude. I'm not a fan of this signing. I dont like the price the Canucks paid. ALOT of money.
I am so with you.

That is INSANE money. AND he gets a NTC? Are you f'ing kidding me -- NTC for a third liner?!

INSANE.

Moneypuck has left the building.

 
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It is about points when we need a 3rd line (and 2nd) that HAS to contribute during the playoffs.
If he helps our PK in the playoffs I don't care one bit about the points (or lack thereof) he puts up, our PK was abysmal last year.

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Not liking the signing is one thing, I'm still on the fence about it; however, elite PKers who put up 30-35 points a season are hardly 4th line faceoff specialists. And the Canucks should be grateful that they "missed out" on Armstrong at $3 million per season.
But you would take Ladd at 3?

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Some people need to watch hockey and not just when Vancouver plays...

Little more than people would think, but EXACTLY what Vancouver needed.

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If he helps our PK in the playoffs I don't care one bit about the points (or lack thereof) he puts up, our PK was abysmal last year.
fair enough but I also think a healthy defense would go a long way in the playoffs.

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But you would take Ladd at 3?
Ladd will cost you assets.

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This,, not sure how people are justifying the price with a "the cap will rise" theory.

Yeah! We have a credit card limit let's spend it all!

Doesn't seem like a "moneyball" signing at all there GMMG.

MM should do a good job though on the bottom 6.
He said he wanted a big C who could play a shutdown role, got the best one out there for that role. I like this.

So our bottom 6 as of right now looks like -
Malhotra, Hansen, Rypien, Glass, Hordichuk, Oreskovich, Bolduc, Hodgson, Schroeder. We could use one more guy who can score a few goals on the wing. Leave one spot for a rookie.
Schroeder-Manny-Hansen Glass-Rypien-Oreskovich

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07-01-2010, 01:33 PM
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Ladd will cost you assets.
I'm mostly just saying that alot of people around here the last few weeks have been saying 3mil offer sheet to Ladd. Which I dont agree with either.

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07-01-2010, 01:33 PM
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Identical dollars to what Samuelsson signed last year, and we were all pretty happy with that. This is a good veteran signing for a guy that brings a ton of intangibles, much like Samuelsson was. Malhotra can take all the key faceoffs, play the PK, is gritty, fast, and can actually play hockey.

Maguire is really off today. I normally enjoy his analysis, but he's just awful today.

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I am so with you.

That is INSANE money. AND he gets a NTC? Are you f'ing kidding me -- NTC for a third liner?!

INSANE.

Moneypuck has left the building.
Overreaction much?

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Jesus people... Malhotra is exactly what we need.

He's a shifty 3rd line centre... can play wing.

Will help transition Hodgson to the NHL, provided he makes the team as expected.

He helps mend a pathetically weak PK.

Excellent on faceoffs, useful in tight games.

Will score any where from 25 - 35 pts.

2.5 M is a good price considering a) the season he JUST had, and b) when guys like Colby Armstrong, who under-performed compared to Malhotra, signed for 3M

We were also likely in a bidding war for his services.

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What I think Gillis has done so far:

Bernier (2.0 cap hit) on the 3rd line + Johnson (1.1 cap hit)* on the 4th line = 3.1 mil.

is replaced by, presumably:

Malholtra (2.5 cap hit) on the 3rd line + Perrault (.510 cap hit) on the 4th line** = 3.01 mil.

*Assuming he's not resigned, which all indications suggest will happen.

**I'm basing this on the fact that he has a 1 way contract.

An upgrade on size, faceoff ability, *effective* physicality, value for money, and even some skill (which isn't saying much when compared against the likes of Bernier and Johnson).

A downgrade on character (both Bernier and Johnson seemed to be liked in the room), speed (not much), shot-blocking, and net presence on the PP.


Am I way off?


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Or let's just keep him in the cupboard until the food goes bad and throw him in the trash.

The classic Canuck development system.

You guys forget about the Sedins so quickly.
You mean the two players who played an extra year of pro hockey in Sweden after the draft before joining the Canucks?

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Maguire is really off today. I normally enjoy his analysis, but he's just awful today.
He's acting like Gillis banged his wife.

I would love for him to say that about a guy like Kadri or Schenn in terms of asking for a trade. Stupid thing to say as it makes alot of the simpletons panic.

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07-01-2010, 01:36 PM
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2.5M is not a huge overpayment given that the cap is at nearly $60M and likely to grow next year.

I personally don't really like the look of a Malhotra-Hodgson-xxx line. Malhotra, offensively, is not the kind of player I'd want to put Hodgson with. He just doesn't have the offensive touch or playmaking ability that is going to help that line be consistently productive, and using Hodgson in a purely checking role is not a great use of assets or even for his development, imo.

Given who is available within the organization and in FA, and the direction Gillis wants to move the team, it's a decent move.

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Identical dollars to what Samuelsson signed last year, and we were all pretty happy with that. This is a good veteran signing for a guy that brings a ton of intangibles, much like Samuelsson was. Malhotra can take all the key faceoffs, play the PK, is gritty, fast, and can actually play hockey.

Maguire is really off today. I normally enjoy his analysis, but he's just awful today.
I think he has OD'd on espresso...

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Can someone send a msg to McKenzie on twitter that Mcguire is a idiot
RT @OutsideHockey: @TSNBobMcKenzie Please educate your colleagues on the Canucks, and teams out West. Hodgson is not expendable.


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I'd rather spend the cap room to overpay a bit on a dman that i'm targeting.
Our bottom 6 is poor also.

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You mean the two players who played an extra year of pro hockey in Sweden after the draft before joining the Canucks?
And also baby stepped their way through development with the Canucks and turned into the Elite players they are today.

Hodgson obviously didnt deserve to make the team last year but I dont see how you dont give this guy a shot.

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Identical dollars to what Samuelsson signed last year, and we were all pretty happy with that. This is a good veteran signing for a guy that brings a ton of intangibles, much like Samuelsson was. Malhotra can take all the key faceoffs, play the PK, is gritty, fast, and can actually play hockey.

Maguire is really off today. I normally enjoy his analysis, but he's just awful today.
no we weren't... we are now.... but after he signed that contract last offseason, I seem to remember a lot of criticism that he was overpaid.

I do think that Malhotra is overpaid... but I love the fit and was the exact player we needed to add... if that's what it took to get him, and if you can justify it by carrying Hodgson's ELC alongside it, it could make sense and help Hodgson's development as well.

I would have preferred $1.75-2mill though... but it's not an unheard of overpayment... Pahlsson got $2.65mill and Madden got $2.75mill last year, and Malhotra is similarly considered the best 3rd line center on the market right now.

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RT @OutsideHockey: @TSNBobMcKenzie Please educate your colleagues on the Canucks, and teams out West. Hodgson is not expendable.




Our bottom 6 is poor also.
LOL. that's a great tweet!

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You're aware that any of Kesler, Malhotra, and Hodgson can play wing if necessary?

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I'm just frustrated. The problems with this team in the playoffs weren't on the third line, and they weren't in the "top 4" D, yet those are the (non)holes being plugged at the cost of significant cap space and assets.

It's very clear that Gillis (or more likely Gillis channeling Aqulini, frankly, IMO) has a different perception of what needs to be done than some of the folks less-than-thrilled with the recent deals. Time will tell which perception is better grounded in reality.

Right now, as the team is constituted (and obviously that can change), I see it being lucky to get out of the first round.

 
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I think there might be some people unhappy with this deal, simply because they are still hoping for more. It may still happen, I am dreaming of Volchenkov on the Canucks.

This is a great pickup for us. Manny, is replacing Wellwood and Johnson. In addition, he is exactly what we need for our bottom six. A pking solid faceoff man who stays healthy with good size and hitting ability.

Also taking players from teams you are trying to catch is brilliant. Sammy last year, and now this.

Forget anything Maguire says. He makes snap judgements and goes with it. This is exactly what we needed from free agency.

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Count me in as a fan of this signing. It was clear as day that the 3rd line needed a significant upgrade. With Malholtra the canucks added much needed size on the checking line and got a very capable penalty killer.

I don't understand all the outrage that Malholtra has somehow stolen Hodgson's spot. Hodgson has yet to earn a permanent spot on the roster and the team can't afford to assume that he's ready to anchor a spot on a team that is trying to win right now. Im sure that if Hodgson is ready they will find a place for him to contribute.

As far as the signing being overpaid, well thats how bidding works when there is a limited amount of commodities. The window to sign someone is extremely small.

There are 29 other teams bidding for these players services. If Gillis isn't willing to overpay in free agency then he is not going to get any players that will sufficiently help this team. If that were to happen, we would see the usual posters complaining that Gillis didn't do anything.

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