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07-01-2010, 05:50 PM
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Gauthier doesn't need a lap dog. Sorry.

If he doesn't get rid of Hamrlik and don't even try improving our D then he's a lost cause.
Look at our D pipeline. When Hammer leaves at the end of next season, who will step up and provide equal digits in block shots and hits?

NOBODY

We have no prospect in thoses areas that can step up. And the roster players are very much thin in thoses regards also.

Next years UFA on D is skim to say the least.

We needed to address our need on D this year.

Seeing Volchenkov and Hamhuis signing elsewhere at fitting cap hits for our team is...



The only thing I can assume is that these players just didn't want to play in Montreal.

Because - for the love of my children - I have to ASSUME that Habs management AT LEAST tried to inquire into getting theses players in our roster.

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One of the best forwards to hit free agency (and a forward significantly better than any we have on the roster) since the lockout is available, I sure hope we're kicking tires over there.

It's not like we'd have to do much more than trade AK and Hamrlik to fit him in. You can worry about the forward situation later, but this is the type of player we haven't had since Pierre Turgeon. Our scoring was woeful last year.

I don't know, I'd work towards that. Saying there's nothing to do when a massive scoring machine like this is available is mind-boggling to me.
And if he isn't interested in signing with us? Time for the guns to come out to his head?

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And if he isn't interested in signing with us? Time for the guns to come out to his head?
Never said he did. But people saying 'oh we don't have cap space, re-sign guys and hang our hats on that' really makes me .

That guy can win you games. I'll take the gamble of going into the season minus Hammer and AK, plus Kovy will get you more wins than the opposite. Get what I mean?

It's also adding a good sales pitch for players to come play for us.

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Look at our D pipeline. When Hammer leaves at the end of next season, who will step up and provide equal digits in block shots and hits?

NOBODY

We have no prospect in thoses areas that can step up. And the roster players are very much thin in thoses regards also.

Next years UFA on D is skim to say the least.

We needed to address our need on D this year.

Seeing Volchenkov and Hamhuis signing elsewhere at fitting cap hits for our team is...



The only thing I can assume is that these players just didn't want to play in Montreal.

Because - for the love of my children - I have to ASSUME that Habs management AT LEAST tried to inquire into getting theses players in our roster.
Why would Montreal have any interest in another defenseman when we have like 8 signed NHL defensemen?

Markov
Subban
Spacek
Gorges
O'Byrne

will all be back next season. Now don't tell me there isn't 1-2 solid defensemen available next year

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At least until Price is signed, we make sure we have enough cap space to meet the potential offer sheet amount from another team...

other than that, we sign a Boyd and we are good to go...
(Frolov would be a mistake - too much $$ for too little production)

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Why would Montreal have any interest in another defenseman when we have like 8 signed NHL defensemen?

Markov
Subban
Spacek
Gorges
O'Byrne

will all be back next season. Now don't tell me there isn't 1-2 solid defensemen available next year
Gorges an O'bryne are RFA and Markov is UFA.

Sign Mair and Belanger/Moore.

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Something stupid will be done. We need to think along those lines.

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Nothing will be done until Price is signed. We probably don't have enough money even for a guy like Dominic Moore.

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Seeing Volchenkov and Hamhuis signing elsewhere at fitting cap hits for our team is...
Fitting cap hits? We have $5M to sign something like 6 players.

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Why would Montreal have any interest in another defenseman when we have like 8 signed NHL defensemen?

Markov
Subban
Spacek
Gorges
O'Byrne

will all be back next season. Now don't tell me there isn't 1-2 solid defensemen available next year

If there is a player under 30 of this years caliber that you have interest in, please enlighten me.

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Fitting cap hits? We have $5M to sign something like 6 players.

euh, see 1st post please.

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euh, see 1st post please.
There is 23 players in a roster, and Moore will cost a million more than that. Lapierre will get around a million.

If I'm not mistaken, it's too late to buyout Hamrlik.

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07-02-2010, 12:31 AM
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I was really high on Hamhuis and Volchenkov...

Now I can only see Shoane Morrisonn as a good addition: can put up triple digits in hits and blocked shots.

2010-11 MONTREAL CANADIENS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Lars Eller ($1.271m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.350m) / * Dominic Moore ($1.400m) / Travis Moen ($1.500m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.500m) / Dustin Boyd ($0.650m) / * Maxim Lapierre ($0.750m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
* Shaone Morrisonn ($3.000m) / Josh Gorges ($1.100m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m) / Ryan O\'Byrne ($0.942m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / * BO - Roman Hamrlik ($1.833m)
GOALTENDERS
* Carey Price ($2.500m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 23; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $58.111m; CAP ROOM: $1.714m BONUSES: $0.425m

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07-02-2010, 12:41 AM
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I was really high on Hamhuis and Volchenkov...

Now I can only see Shoane Morrisonn as a good addition: can put up triple digits in hits and blocked shots.

2010-11 MONTREAL CANADIENS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Lars Eller ($1.271m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.350m) / * Dominic Moore ($1.400m) / Travis Moen ($1.500m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.500m) / Dustin Boyd ($0.650m) / * Maxim Lapierre ($0.750m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
* Shaone Morrisonn ($3.000m) / Josh Gorges ($1.100m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m) / Ryan O\'Byrne ($0.942m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / * BO - Roman Hamrlik ($1.833m)
GOALTENDERS
* Carey Price ($2.500m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 23; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $58.111m; CAP ROOM: $1.714m BONUSES: $0.425m
I'm a little confused about something: Doesn't Price have zero negotiating power as we speak? Why on earth would he be able to finagle 2.5M out of the team after the horrible season he just played? Are his agent and him really trying to hold out for more money simply on the basis that he now sees he's the no.1 guy and should get more money because of it? Guy is going to get 1.3-1.5 tops. Explain to me why not.

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I'm happy with our D. What we should try to improve is our Top Six forwards. The way I see it we have 4 totally legit Top Six forwards, but they're all small and need to be surrounded with bigger skilled guys.

Cammy - Pleks - XXXX

XXXX - Gomez - Gionta


We need to fill in the "XXXX"s. Perhaps AKost and/or Pouliot can solidly fill one or both of these spots, but I'd rather not gamble on both. We saw how that didn't work for us come crunch time against Philly.

Frolov is the ideal, realistic answer, imo.

Kovalchuk would be awesome, but is a bit pie in the sky at this point...

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Received a weird late-night text (not the good ones)... Apparently Blue Jackets are shopping Filatov. Will know more tmrw.

4 minutes ago via web


Andrei K for Filatov?!?

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i've got it settled...

Trade:
To NYI
A.Kost
Spacek

to Mtl
Bergenheim
Gervais
2nd


UFA's
Frolov, 4 years/4Mper
Corvo, 2 years/2.5 per
Asham, 2 years/1.3 per


Cammy-Pleks-Frolov
Pouliot- Gomez-Gionta
Bergenheim- Boyd (Eller*)- Pyatt
Moen-Lapierre (Boyd)- Asham
(Darche/Lapierre)

* I bet that Eller would win the 3rd line centre job out of camp, but if he didn't, then he goes to Hamilton (instead of 4th line/press box), and Boyd steps in. If he does win the job, Boyd/Lapierre/Pyatt battle it out for the 3rd line winger and 4th line centre spots... (i think Asham/Moen stay in the lineup as the bottom 6 physical presence, with Darche (and maybe Schultz?) being their competition.


Markov(Corvo*)- Subban
Hamrlik- O'Byrne(Corvo)
Gill-Gorges
Gervais (O'byrne)

*Corvo takes Markov's spot until he gets back (maybe the regular pairings change a bit, but Corvo plays the 1st unit PP minutes), after he gets back, Corvo/O'Byrne battle it out for the RH D spot next to Hamrlik (assuming other injuries haven't opened up spots)

Price
Auld



done and done...

2010-11 MONTREAL CANADIENS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / * Alex Frolov ($4.000m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.350m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
* Sean Bergenheim ($0.950m) / Lars Eller ($1.271m) / Dustin Boyd ($0.650m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Tom Pyatt ($0.500m) / * aaron asham ($1.300m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.500m) / * Maxim Lapierre ($0.800m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Roman Hamrlik ($5.500m) / * joe corvo ($2.500m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Josh Gorges ($1.100m)
Ryan O\'Byrne ($0.942m) / * Bruno Gervais ($0.741m)
GOALTENDERS
* Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 24; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $60.086m; CAP ROOM: $-0.261m BONUSES: $0.425m

over the cap by 260K, but that's with 24 players... we'd start the season with 1 of the fwd's in hamilton (darche/lapierre/eller/pyatt/boyd) + Markov's contract out, and then when he returns, one of Gervais/O'Byrne would go to Hamilton IF other injuries haven't already come into play.

overall we should be operating ~500k-1M$ under the cap... tight, but manageable, especially if one of O'byrne/Gervais/Weber/Carle plays well enough that we can look to unload Hamrlik (or perhaps Gill) prior to the deadline.


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He's not a BIG star though...
you're right, he sucked, especially when it counted the most. 13 goals for number 13...paaathetic. It's cuz he's small.

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I'm happy with our D. What we should try to improve is our Top Six forwards. The way I see it we have 4 totally legit Top Six forwards, but they're all small and need to be surrounded with bigger skilled guys.

Cammy - Pleks - XXXX

James Neal - Gomez - Gionta


We need to fill in the "XXXX"s. Perhaps AKost and/or Pouliot can solidly fill one or both of these spots, but I'd rather not gamble on both. We saw how that didn't work for us come crunch time against Philly.

Frolov is the ideal, realistic answer, imo.

Kovalchuk would be awesome, but is a bit pie in the sky at this point...
I'd like to see it made a reality.

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Never said he did. But people saying 'oh we don't have cap space, re-sign guys and hang our hats on that' really makes me .

That guy can win you games. I'll take the gamble of going into the season minus Hammer and AK, plus Kovy will get you more wins than the opposite. Get what I mean?

It's also adding a good sales pitch for players to come play for us.
can score LOTS of goals ? YES
can be exciting to watch ? YES
can win you games ? HAVE YET TO SEE

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can score LOTS of goals ? YES
can be exciting to watch ? YES
can win you games ? HAVE YET TO SEE
Well, we saw he couldn't lead a team deprived of talent and a front office that knew how to draft or add players to help the team.

I wouldn't place the blame on him for New Jersey, he wasn't the leader there and he wasn't even on the first line. He was a deadline acquisition that was one of the few bright spots on that squad and one of the few players that bothered to show up in the playoffs.

But hey, if a player scores a hat trick and the team fails to get a W, can you really blame him for not carrying that poor excuse of a hockey team?

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Well, we saw he couldn't lead a team deprived of talent and a front office that knew how to draft or add players to help the team.

I wouldn't place the blame on him for New Jersey, he wasn't the leader there and he wasn't even on the first line. He was a deadline acquisition that was one of the few bright spots on that squad and one of the few players that bothered to show up in the playoffs.

But hey, if a player scores a hat trick and the team fails to get a W, can you really blame him for not carrying that poor excuse of a hockey team?
while what you're saying about Atl and NJ is true it doesnt change the fact that he has yet to make a team win...

so, let's wait before saying he can...

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After yesterdays signings Capgeek has us with $5.7 M left with 19 players under contract. I will assume one spot goes to prospects, such as Ryan White, for around $.9. Another spot to Lappiere, who made $.7M last year. A guess for him at $ .9 . So this leaves $3.9 for Price and one other forward. Based on play and Rfa status, I'd say $1.5M for Price. Add in that Price has no competition for No.1 role, I guess $2.0M. So we have $1.9M left. I think PG only uses half of it in order to be able to get a role player if needed at the trade deadline come March.

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Here's what we've got now:

Pouliot[1.35M]-Gomez[7.35M]-Gionta[5M]
Cammalleri[6M]-Plekanec[5M]-Kostitsyn[3.25M]
Moen[1.5M]-Eller[1.27M]-Lapierre[RFA]
Pyatt[0.5M]-Boyd[0.65M]-Darche[0.5M]
XXXX, XXXX

Markov[5.75M]-Spacek[3.83M]
Hamrlik[5.5M]-Subban[0.88M]
Gill[2.25M]-Gorges[1.1M]
O'Byrne[0.94M]

Price[RFA]
Auld[1M]

Total Cap Space (after Laraque By-out): 5.7M

With that 5.7M, we need to sign Price & Lapierre, then get 1-2 more 4th line forwards, who might come from Hamilton (I'm thinking... Ryan White).

Seems like we are in good shape.

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Personally, I'd go play a few hands of poker with that money.,

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Right now my dream would be somehow obtaining Kovalchuk. We need scoring on this team BADLY. tied for 24th in the league in scoring is ****ing fail.
Kovalchuk would be taking this team in the wrong direction. We have a leadership group that gets it, that knows you have to work hard and sacrifice all over the ice to have success. Kovalchuk is from another world, one where he has had little team success and does whatever he wants to cherrypick his offensive opportunities. NO thanks.

Meanwhile, I had two names come to mind of veteran RIGHT-HAND SHOTS that could help us up front.

They would have to be willing to sign for one year at a time, for no more than $2M and show at least 15-20 goals for him to earn another year.

Owen Nolan and Billy Guerin.

These guys will win their board battles and go to the net, get dirty. They could be what we need.

Just one of them. We could give one a try for either the 2nd or 3rd line RW position.

This is possibly a short-term solution if this year we can't afford Frolov, don't land Stempniak, and can't trade for a Clowe or Fehr or Ryan.


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