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07-30-2010, 12:02 AM
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I still remember Sather went hard after Neil last offseason and offered him 1.4 million for 4 years or something like that. I was ecstatic when I heard about the interest from the Rangers, many here did not feel the same way.

Also, Neil is a very good player but when the other team has a legitimate heavyweight he is not the same. When he used to play Montreal with Laraque he was like neutered Pit Bull.

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Boogaard is a beast and he will be a huge hit with the fans i cant wait to see him on the ice

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Fighting and good is one of the more interesting debates on these boards.

For the people who don't particularly favor fighting or goons, there will never be a good enough reason to have one - at any cost.

For the people who prefer fighting or goons, there will never be a good enough example not to have one;


Goons are neither as vital or as unnecessary as both extremes on this board would like them to be.

As for me, I don't have a problem with Boogaard. I'm just not crazy about the contract and would rather have held onto Orr in the first place if this was the direction we were going to take. In a nutshell, it's not the move, it's the context.

But I've got far bigger questions and concerns about this team than an Orr/Boogard debate.

This topic will still be debated, hotly, a year from now.


That will always be the case. I'm not a huge fan of goons but hey I would rather have 1 and not need him then need 1 but not have him. I'm sure guys like Hank and Ani were glad we signed Boogard.

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how exactly? you think Neil would ever fight Boogaard? hell, how many people did fight "Boogey" last year? 5? 6?

Whoopdeedoo
If Neil goes out and hammers any Ranger then he will have to answer the bell and if he doesn't want fight Boogey then he wont hit anyone...that simple.

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If Neil goes out and hammers any Ranger then he will have to answer the bell and if he doesn't want fight Boogey then he wont hit anyone...that simple.
Good luck with that theory. I'm sure Neil is going to be petrified of Boogard while he's yelling from the end of the bench.

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If Neil goes out and hammers any Ranger then he will have to answer the bell and if he doesn't want fight Boogey then he wont hit anyone...that simple.
Actually more than likely if Neil hammers a Ranger he is going to have to fight Prust....middleweight vs. middleweight...

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If Neil goes out and hammers any Ranger then he will have to answer the bell and if he doesn't want fight Boogey then he wont hit anyone...that simple.
It's not 1975, it really doesnt work like that anymore. Worst case for neil is he hammers somebody, boogard goes after him, neil turtles/doesn't drop the gloves, boogard gets an instigator + misconduct.

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If Neil goes out and hammers any Ranger then he will have to answer the bell and if he doesn't want fight Boogey then he wont hit anyone...that simple.
This reminds me of so many posts by Devil fans, who say their resident tough guy is going to beat the crap out of Sean Avery. And it never happens.

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This reminds me of so many posts by Devil fans, who say their resident tough guy is going to beat the crap out of Sean Avery. And it never happens.
Devils crap cant beat Avery because the Rangers always has a goon.

Regarding the other post...if Neil flattens Gabby and Boogey is at the end of the bench...next shift that Neil is on the ice...u better believe Boogey is on and if gets a misconduct...who gives a s***...the point was made.

Eye for an Eye...

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Good luck with that theory. I'm sure Neil is going to be petrified of Boogard while he's yelling from the end of the bench.
Would you rathe rhave Boogy there to fight neil or Callahan having to do it? Stop with the he will be on the bench 24/7 non sense he will play and do his job when needed. Worry about guys like Callahan scoring a few big goals and we be ok.

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Would you rathe rhave Boogy there to fight neil or Callahan having to do it? Stop with the he will be on the bench 24/7 non sense he will play and do his job when needed. Worry about guys like Callahan scoring a few big goals and we be ok.
I love Cally's physical play but NOT when he's stupidly throwing checks at Chara and then hurting himself.

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07-30-2010, 11:45 AM
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Would you rathe rhave Boogy there to fight neil or Callahan having to do it? Stop with the he will be on the bench 24/7 non sense he will play and do his job when needed. Worry about guys like Callahan scoring a few big goals and we be ok.
What actually makes you think that Neil is going to fight Boogaard? In order for that to happen Neil has to a) be on the ice when Boogaard is out there, and b) accept the challenge. If Neil doesn't accept, what does that accomplish? Don't hit our guys or we'll send the Boogey Man out to.. take a stupid penalty trying to fight you! Look out!

Boogaard has scored 7 goals since his first year in Canadian Juniors. The guy is a completely one-dimensional enforcer that will spend 30 games in the press box and average less than 6 minutes per night. I hear the same BS about these goons every year; "We think he can play anywhere in the lineup!" or "We think we can turn him into an effective player!" 10 games in, he's parked on the pine where he belongs.

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What actually makes you think that Neil is going to fight Boogaard? In order for that to happen Neil has to a) be on the ice when Boogaard is out there, and b) accept the challenge. If Neil doesn't accept, what does that accomplish? Don't hit our guys or we'll send the Boogey Man out to.. take a stupid penalty trying to fight you! Look out!

Boogaard has scored 7 goals since his first year in Canadian Juniors. The guy is a completely one-dimensional enforcer that will spend 30 games in the press box and average less than 6 minutes per night. I hear the same BS about these goons every year; "We think he can play anywhere in the lineup!" or "We think we can turn him into an effective player!" 10 games in, he's parked on the pine where he belongs.
so typical...i once consider ranger fans the most passionate and more inform hockey fan...then i can to this board by a buddy of mine and i have regretted it since...because the majority of people on this board nothing of hockey...

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07-30-2010, 11:58 AM
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so typical...i once consider ranger fans the most passionate and more inform hockey fan...then i can to this board by a buddy of mine and i have regretted it since...because the majority of people on this board nothing of hockey...
That's funny.

Doesn't like "enforcers" = An uninformed fan that has no passion for the team? Got it. Brilliant. I cannot dispute the logic!!


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07-30-2010, 12:16 PM
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Boogy is a guy paid to be a deterrent. Neil is a huge chicken Sh## punk that picks his spots. Carkner will fight Boogy but Neil would rather spot pick and be tough when he wants to be tough. I am not disagreeing with the logic Derrick is a goon he is but having him needs to be a plus not a minus. Torts has the job of finding him a role. If he plays 6 minutes a night then it needs to be 6 productive tough scary minutes for the other team. If is 12 minutes then it needs to be smart up and down minutes with good center and winger to not expose him. Stop with worthless talk 10 teams called him must be good for something

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I still remember Sather went hard after Neil last offseason and offered him 1.4 million for 4 years or something like that. I was ecstatic when I heard about the interest from the Rangers, many here did not feel the same way.

Also, Neil is a very good player but when the other team has a legitimate heavyweight he is not the same. When he used to play Montreal with Laraque he was like neutered Pit Bull.
Bump. Enforcers have an effect on players like Neil.

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07-30-2010, 12:26 PM
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Boogy is a guy paid to be a deterrent. Neil is a huge chicken Sh## punk that picks his spots. Carkner will fight Boogy but Neil would rather spot pick and be tough when he wants to be tough. I am not disagreeing with the logic Derrick is a goon he is but having him needs to be a plus not a minus. Torts has the job of finding him a role. If he plays 6 minutes a night then it needs to be 6 productive tough scary minutes for the other team. If is 12 minutes then it needs to be smart up and down minutes with good center and winger to not expose him. Stop with worthless talk 10 teams called him must be good for something
Brashear was paid to be a deterrent. Orr was paid to be a deterrent. Guys were still running our players, crashing our net, and taking cheap shots on guys. If Neil runs a guy, what good does it do to have Boogaard fight Carkner? It accomplishes nothing.

I'd take on Malone's contract before I even considered offering Boogaard the league minimum. If I want protection or a deterrent, I want a guy that actually looks like he can play hockey in some capacity.

There's nothing deterring about a reactionary altercation. If Neil runs Gaborik and knocks him out of the game, his mission is accomplished. Sending Boogaard out there a shift later doesn't suddenly make Gaborik healthy again.

You want team toughness? I can absolutely, 100% get on board with that. But there's just no way in hell that I'm going to advocate $1.6MM per year for a guy that can literally do nothing else other than throw his fists.

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07-30-2010, 12:31 PM
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Devils crap cant beat Avery because the Rangers always has a goon.
This is a bizarre statement. The Devils goon can't beat the crap out of Avery because AVERY WILL NOT FIGHT THE DEVILS GOON! Avery's goal is to draw that goon into a penalty.

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Regarding the other post...if Neil flattens Gabby and Boogey is at the end of the bench...next shift that Neil is on the ice...u better believe Boogey is on and if gets a misconduct...who gives a s***...the point was made.

Eye for an Eye...
Bizarre again. Yes, perhaps Boogaard gets a misconduct...and Gaborik was still hit.

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Brashear was paid to be a deterrent. Orr was paid to be a deterrent. Guys were still running our players, crashing our net, and taking cheap shots on guys. If Neil runs a guy, what good does it do to have Boogaard fight Carkner? It accomplishes nothing.

I'd take on Malone's contract before I even considered offering Boogaard the league minimum. If I want protection or a deterrent, I want a guy that actually looks like he can play hockey in some capacity.

There's nothing deterring about a reactionary altercation. If Neil runs Gaborik and knocks him out of the game, his mission is accomplished. Sending Boogaard out there a shift later doesn't suddenly make Gaborik healthy again.

You want team toughness? I can absolutely, 100% get on board with that. But there's just no way in hell that I'm going to advocate $1.6MM per year for a guy that can literally do nothing else other than throw his fists.
Let's make it simple you don't like tough guys and others do. End of story let's all stop replying to it cause our opinions differ

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07-30-2010, 12:38 PM
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Let's make it simple you don't like tough guys and others do. End of story let's all stop replying to it cause our opinions differ
Couldn't be further from the truth, but whatever makes ya feel better, I guess.

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Brashear was paid to be a deterrent. Orr was paid to be a deterrent. Guys were still running our players, crashing our net, and taking cheap shots on guys. If Neil runs a guy, what good does it do to have Boogaard fight Carkner? It accomplishes nothing.

I'd take on Malone's contract before I even considered offering Boogaard the league minimum. If I want protection or a deterrent, I want a guy that actually looks like he can play hockey in some capacity.

There's nothing deterring about a reactionary altercation. If Neil runs Gaborik and knocks him out of the game, his mission is accomplished. Sending Boogaard out there a shift later doesn't suddenly make Gaborik healthy again.

You want team toughness? I can absolutely, 100% get on board with that. But there's just no way in hell that I'm going to advocate $1.6MM per year for a guy that can literally do nothing else other than throw his fists.
Good thing you are not our GM...because every team in the East has a goon and you want Rozival fighting your battles...you make total sense.

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07-30-2010, 12:54 PM
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I love Cally's physical play but NOT when he's stupidly throwing checks at Chara and then hurting himself.
I love Cally for that exact reason. He plays the same way againt everyone. Balls to the wall, hit everything in sight. It's amazing considering he's probably the smallest guy on the club. He's RUDY!


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Excuse me but the Caps just traded for a heavyweight named King Kong. Gave up a skilled prospect. We only paid in dollars. Boo Boo will serve his purpose.

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This is a bizarre statement. The Devils goon can't beat the crap out of Avery because AVERY WILL NOT FIGHT THE DEVILS GOON! Avery's goal is to draw that goon into a penalty.



Bizarre again. Yes, perhaps Boogaard gets a misconduct...and Gaborik was still hit.
I get it...you guys win...u don't like fighting, you don't like goons and you don't like violence...but guess what...over 25 GM's in hockey do and fighting is very much still a big part of the game and thank god for them.

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Good thing you are not our GM...because every team in the East has a goon and you want Rozival fighting your battles...you make total sense.
Can you point me to the exact post where I said I want Rozsival to do our fighting? How about the post where I said I'm against fighting?

I suppose taking shots at me is much easier than trying to make some sort of coherent point.

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