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Canucks Sign D Dan Hamhuis to 6-Year, $27M Deal ($4.5m per, NTC)

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07-02-2010, 02:46 PM
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I still can't believe this. I'm happy about this. The Canucks finally can get rid of Bieksa!!! Guy just hasn't played with the same gusto since he had his first kid. Hamhuis being a Canuck really hasn't set in yet.

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Hopefully not while he's in net, during a game.
As long as he is stopping pucks while doing the cartwheels, I am fine with it.

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07-02-2010, 04:11 PM
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solid defense. with the new goaltending coach, luongo will have to regain in 06/07 form. no more distractions. take off the captaincy which puts too much burden on him. slap the c on henrik or whoever.

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07-02-2010, 04:13 PM
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It would be disgusting. Every single player in our top 6 would be a top 4 guy.
Arguably top 2 even. Imagine trying to match against that.

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solid defense. with the new goaltending coach, luongo will have to regain in 06/07 form. no more distractions. take off the captaincy which puts too much burden on him. slap the c on henrik or whoever.

Give the C to Hamhuis

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07-02-2010, 06:56 PM
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Well after thinking a bit more I am becoming more OK with this signing.

It's still an overpayment and not what I would have done, but I can see why Gillis went this way. I think this contract will cost us a player down the road (Edler, Raymond, Hodgson, Ehrhoff...) but obviously Gillis is going for it now.

When Gillis took over we had a solid but aging D core with no trade clauses. Edler had emerged, and due to the Luc tragedy, there was nothing at all in the pipeline (sorry, Taylor). It takes a long time to draft and develope defensemen, so Gillis knew his only chance to upgrade the D would be trade or FA once the aging core moved on. That's a tough position to be in as D is generally the most overpriced position in free agency.

What matters now is what Gillis does with the D. What can he get for Bieksa? My hope would be a 2nd and a young cheap grinder. A guy like Abdelkader from Detroit would be ideal, don't know if they'd have interest though. Wonder what happens with O'Brien now.

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other teams reported to offer him around 5-6 million dollars man.......

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07-02-2010, 07:42 PM
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other teams reported to offer him around 5-6 million dollars man.......
Sorry but that's not a useful way to evaluate whether a contract is good or not. I mean Wade Redden is like what, a 7 million Cap hit? What if he signed with Atlanta for 6.5 instead? Would that make it a good contract? Of course not. Market value or less, for certain, but that doesn't make it a good deal. Just less of an overpayment than 7 million.

Now I'm not saying this is even in the same universe as Redden-bad for contracts, just using an example. If you haven't developed your own defensemen you overpay in either trade assets or dollar value in free agency. Perhaps necesary, but I have a hard time getting too excited about a second pairing guy for 4.5 million. It will be nice if Gillis's scouting and drafting pays off and in the future the Canucks can avoid the UFA market for the most part.

Hope he makes me eat my words though. He's still young enough to take another small step forward. If he does the Canucks will essentially have four (Ehrhoff, Salo, Ballard, Hamhuis) number two defensemen with Edler progressing nicely. And only Salo is a serious injury risk.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXiM0adJ4Lc

He was meant to be a Canuck... lays out Byfuglian then scores... nice...

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Does anyone know much about the bonuses suggested here

http://twitter.com/capgeek

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$9m in signing bonuses?

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07-03-2010, 12:28 AM
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Does anyone know much about the bonuses suggested here

http://twitter.com/capgeek

Was this him taking "less" to play in Van?

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meh, it got him signed and all I care about is the cap number.

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Does anyone know much about the bonuses suggested here

http://twitter.com/capgeek
The $9 mil is up front, right? As a part of the $27 mil. Not on top of it?

Can't be. If it was on top that would make his cap hit $6mil

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I'm so stupid when it comes to the CBA. How do the signing bonuses work? They are included in the cap hit so are they just like having a portion of his yearly salary "advanced" to him at the beginning of the season?

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$9m in signing bonuses?
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NOTE: Signing bonuses are already included in listed NHL salary and cap hit but are separate from listed performance bonuses
I don't think he's getting anymore money. I think its just a "money up front" thing. His contract is still $27m overall. That's just my interpretation.

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Signing bonuses: The player gets his signing bonus cash as a lump sum (often on July 1) instead of spread over the season

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$9m in signing bonuses?
if we win the cup, give him the 9m in signing bonuses, who cares

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If you check his page on capgeek they give a break down of his signing bonuses.

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1048

Basically for this season he gets $2 million now and $3 million over the course of the season for $5 million. His cap hit is $4.5. As Slapshot_11 said, he gets the rest of his signing bonus at the start of each contract year (July 1).

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The signing bonus really isn't a big deal. It just means that a certain portion of his salary is paid on July 1st rather then spreading it out evenly throughout the season.

The reason why a player would do that is because $2m dollars today is worth more then $2m tomorrow due to inflation.

Basically means he can take his money and put it in the bank and get atleast 2% interest on it instead of having to wait it out for the entire season.

At the end of the day Aquaman just has to pay more money up front which obviously he has no problem doing so as long as it gets him a cup.

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07-03-2010, 01:32 PM
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Islanders really going for gold this offseason, with no luck though lol. They were one of the teams that outbid of for Hamhuis but got rejected.

They also offered more for Martin and Michalek but got shunned there too. And now they're offering 10 years, 100 million for Kovalchuk but it still seems it's not enough for Kovalchuk who apparently still has his eyes set on LA.

Little off topic now...

I wouldn't mind Kovalchuk going to LAK to be honest. Yes they're the next up and comers but unless they win the cup next year (don't think their team is complete enough yet) they're going to be giving Doughty a massive in the 7+ mllion per season range. Johnson is also a RFA and will be getting a raise. They already have Kopitar and Smyth making over 6 millon. Kovalchuk will also easily be making over 7 per season.

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The signing bonus really isn't a big deal. It just means that a certain portion of his salary is paid on July 1st rather then spreading it out evenly throughout the season.

The reason why a player would do that is because $2m dollars today is worth more then $2m tomorrow due to inflation.

Basically means he can take his money and put it in the bank and get atleast 2% interest on it instead of having to wait it out for the entire season.

At the end of the day Aquaman just has to pay more money up front which obviously he has no problem doing so as long as it gets him a cup.
It's an advantage he has over some other teams. Let's face it, if there was no salary cap, the Canucks payroll would be much much higher than it is right now given all the money they take in. He can afford to do things like front load Luongo's deal or give Hamhuis more of his money in the form of a signing bonus.

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So it's not $9m on top of the $27m. Good.

$9m in signing bonuses is unprecedented, though. Gillis & Co thinking outside of the box, again?

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So it's not $9m on top of the $27m. Good.

$9m in signing bonuses is unprecedented, though. Gillis & Co thinking outside of the box, again?
That's not one lump sum though. It's spread out over 6 years.

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I understand. It's still unprecedented according to Capgeek.

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