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07-17-2010, 12:00 PM
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Yes, and I want to avoid another Rich Peverley as much as I can.

Seriously, if O'Reilly were claimed on waivers and he turns into high scoring forward I think SLake and I will go on a killing spree.
???

Personally, I think O'Reilly has the highest upside between him and Mike Santorelli in Nashville's system. However, I don't really see either succeeding long-term here and view both as trade assets. If Poile isn't able to trade them and we are forced to put them on waivers where they get picked off...so be it...

Cal O'Reilly has elite level on-ice vision. He doesn't however possess much else anything else above average. Therefore, he has the ability to raise the play of his linemates due to his playmaking skill, but needs finishers on his line to pass to...which is just not something we have in abundance.

Mike Santorelli has great speed and good finishing ability which allows him to excel at the AHL level, but he is wire thin and hasn't shown enough defensively at the NHL level to be trusted at center in Nashville and has struggled greatly when switched to wing where his speed is more limited and wall play is the name of the game.

Both have a great chance to excel in a Peverley type of situation if they got the opportunity to go to a free-wheeling offensive based system and were given the opportunity to skate with veteran linemates. That is a risk, but these guys were drafted as BPA and while they have turned into NHL caliber players waiting for an opportunity to prove themselves...I just don't see it necessarily coming here...

I personally believe that one or both of the players will be traded prior to the start of the season due to all of the depth we've acquired this summer. That's what drafting BPA allows you to do...build assets that you can either plug into your lineup or trade away for other pieces that do. Neither is going to really bring back much alone, nor would they merit much more if they were packaged together...however, if they were combined with a proven vet...I think they could bolster the return and make a deal worthwhile.

In closing...I'm interested to see what Poile does to sort out the roster heading into camp. If we lose O'Reilly or Santorelli...so be it...

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07-17-2010, 12:01 PM
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When you have a little extra cash for depth you can sign specialists. Lundmark averaged 1 second of PK time in his time with Calgary. Parent was brought in for the PK and he's not even close to an offensive player. I will give you the point for Lombardi and Kostitsyn. Sk was not used for his offensive potential in Montreal. Lombardi averaged .47 on the PK. Not an epic amount of time but for an offensive player pretty good.

I have a chart with TOI/G, PP/G, PK/G, it helps me judge who will have a chance at the PP, and PK. It also translates well with the varried number of games played in careers. Nashville has a lot of players who have played on the PK but their PP players are fewer accounting for about half of the team unlike the 3/4th you see with PK.

As for Lundmark, I see him as a 'Joel Ward Special'. The guy in Calgary was scoring at a clip similar to Dumont and Sully. The beauty of the Predators system is that it gives you a clean slate. I do believe Lundmark will be given a fair chance to make the team. Do I expect him to be in Milwaukee? Yup, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him with 3rd line time.

I see 23 NHL quality forwards and most will be given a chance to play in Nashville. Some will start in Milwaukee but I won't be cringing if an injury happens. I just wonder if the team will start doing 'shadow injuries' to give rest to players.
Who is Lundmark going to replace in the lineup right now? There is no way he makes this team, especially with Andersson and SK on one way contracts.

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07-17-2010, 12:13 PM
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Who is Lundmark going to replace in the lineup right now? There is no way he makes this team, especially with Andersson and SK on one way contracts.
Lundmark would have to have a preseason similar to the one immediately following his draft year, where he was arguably one of the Rangers top forwards (while playing with 4th liners) and was the final person cut from camp, to make the team out of camp.

Jamie was signed to be the No. 1 center in Milwaukee (sorry, Mike Santorelli) and provide a veteran call-up if needed. Lundmark is very strong physically and has a great deal of offensive skill, but has never been able to translate that skill over to the NHL level in any consistent fashion...so he has relied on his strong two-way game to etch out a career.

I'd honestly say that Poile and Trotz hope to see Lundmark turn into Vernon Fiddler at even-strength. Lundmark does not penalty kill and hasn't put up numbers when given PP time either, but like Fiddler he's not going to hurt you at even-strength and has the ability to play a variety of roles that give the coaching staff options on where to place him in the lineup and also creates some offense when given an offensive role. That's honestly his upside...a guy that's not going to hurt you, but will provide strong two-way play at even-strength and some offense when placed in an offensive role...

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07-17-2010, 12:23 PM
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When you have a little extra cash for depth you can sign specialists. Lundmark averaged 1 second of PK time in his time with Calgary. Parent was brought in for the PK and he's not even close to an offensive player. I will give you the point for Lombardi and Kostitsyn. Sk was not used for his offensive potential in Montreal. Lombardi averaged .47 on the PK. Not an epic amount of time but for an offensive player pretty good.

I have a chart with TOI/G, PP/G, PK/G, it helps me judge who will have a chance at the PP, and PK. It also translates well with the varried number of games played in careers. Nashville has a lot of players who have played on the PK but their PP players are fewer accounting for about half of the team unlike the 3/4th you see with PK.

As for Lundmark, I see him as a 'Joel Ward Special'. The guy in Calgary was scoring at a clip similar to Dumont and Sully. The beauty of the Predators system is that it gives you a clean slate. I do believe Lundmark will be given a fair chance to make the team. Do I expect him to be in Milwaukee? Yup, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him with 3rd line time.

I see 23 NHL quality forwards and most will be given a chance to play in Nashville. Some will start in Milwaukee but I won't be cringing if an injury happens. I just wonder if the team will start doing 'shadow injuries' to give rest to playerwhs.
May want to relook at the cringe factor as for forwars and dmen they would be ok. If Rinne is out for an extended period the pucker factor will go up. Dekanich or Pickard would struggle. Yes I believe it will one of these two. Reason being risk vs reward. Both would be more economical than signing one of the backups from F/A and the backups left out there most of them are questionable to be able to play a long stint if the starter goes down.

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07-18-2010, 01:57 PM
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Ah I love being away from the computer and everyone tells you that you are being a fool. It's like having someone talking behind your back but not.

1) Lundmark will be given a chance and unless he pulls a Joel Ward out of his hat he's going to Milwaukee. What's interesting is that he played a lot of PP time with Calgary. Which is more of an illustration of how bad the PP was for Calgary. (Worst than Nashville's)

2) Another interesting fact is how similar he is to O'Reilly. Similar body type, similar stats, similar PP TOI.

3) I expect some of the players to be traded for the parts Nashville needs; a defenseman with a two way contract.

4) Camp, Please God let this camp get here, will be the stage to see if Dekanich can win the back-up role. If not, trade for a vet or sign the ones who were thinking retirement.

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07-18-2010, 02:12 PM
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I still think we'll be shuffling Dekanich and Lindback back and forth between Nashville and Milwaukee.

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I still think we'll be shuffling Dekanich and Lindback back and forth between Nashville and Milwaukee.
And Smith in Cincy again?

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How about these for lines.

Wilson/Legwand/Erat
Goc/Sully/Hornqvist
Lombardi/SK/Dumont

Just a thought. I remember Arnott centering Legwand and Erat a few seasons ago and thought it was an interesting combo. Goc played well with Sully and Hornqvist on his wings. Giving two new guys to play with Dumont might inspire him. So many possibilities.

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07-20-2010, 04:46 PM
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How about these for lines.

Wilson/Legwand/Erat
Goc/Sully/Hornqvist
Lombardi/SK/Dumont

Just a thought. I remember Arnott centering Legwand and Erat a few seasons ago and thought it was an interesting combo. Goc played well with Sully and Hornqvist on his wings. Giving two new guys to play with Dumont might inspire him. So many possibilities.
A Playing deck with photos, and your choice of hat. What we usually say is Trotz's preferred form of selection but this time it might make sense just to make the roster.

(Oh and per capgeek Nashville has two more spots on the reserve list left)

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07-20-2010, 05:05 PM
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A Playing deck with photos, and your choice of hat. What we usually say is Trotz's preferred form of selection but this time it might make sense just to make the roster.

(Oh and per capgeek Nashville has two more spots on the reserve list left)
*cough 2nd pairing defenseman cough*

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How about these for lines.

Wilson/Legwand/Erat
Goc/Sully/Hornqvist
Lombardi/SK/Dumont

Just a thought. I remember Arnott centering Legwand and Erat a few seasons ago and thought it was an interesting combo. Goc played well with Sully and Hornqvist on his wings. Giving two new guys to play with Dumont might inspire him. So many possibilities.
not bashing you here, but i think it is funny how you me and maybe 5 other people remember that 2-3 game stretch. seems like the coaches forgot about it too

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not bashing you here, but i think it is funny how you me and maybe 5 other people remember that 2-3 game stretch. seems like the coaches forgot about it too
Yup. It may have been a few more games than that if I remember correctly. Then the injury bug hit one of the three of them, the idea was scrapped and never revisited. I also remember that it freed up Legwand to play more of an offensive role and he seemed to thrive in it.

The thing I don't get about Legwand is that he doesn't thrive playing a two way game. I'm not trying to compare him to Datsyuk here but he should be able to play that kind of game defensively and still put up 60 points a year. I know he had stone hands and Ward with him last year but does he have it in his head where he is so worried about defense that he just doesn't want to take any chances offensively? I've seen the quotes from Trotz that they'd like to see him be more expressive offensively but I think they really need to challenge him and say, we want you to play an aggressive two way game and see if he responds.

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I think Legwand gets so caught up in his defensive game that he forgets the puck should go in the other net, too.

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The Peverly thing is so strange though. He was awful as a Predator. He deserved to be waived. He did not fit on our top two lines, and despite revisionist history, he was given ample time in that role to excel. He just didn't.

I think the thing that was so frustrating about his situation is that the Atlanta GM readily acknowledged that he tried to trade for him and was rebuffed. Then we watched him get claimed almost immediately on waivers. This was a mistake by Poile.

In regards to O'Reilly. I think he will be claimed. He is cheap and worth a flyer. If he is not moved and we go the waiver route, he will not be a Predator for very long IMO.

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I would like to see

Sully Wilson Hornqvist
Dumont Lombardi Erat
SK Legwand Ward
Smithson Goc Tootoo

Weber/Suter
Franson/Parent
Francis/Klein
Blummer

Now imagine rads on that SK, Legwand line. Oh BABY!

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Habs fan coming in peace : what do you think of Matt Halischuk? We're you more happy to get a 2nd rounder or him in the Arnott deal? What do you expect from him in the next year?

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Habs fan coming in peace : what do you think of Matt Halischuk? We're you more happy to get a 2nd rounder or him in the Arnott deal? What do you expect from him in the next year?
I expect him to eat 4th line minutes & pk time ... that is if he makes the team out of camp

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I would like to see

Sully Wilson Hornqvist
Dumont Lombardi Erat
SK Legwand Ward
Smithson Goc Tootoo

Weber/Suter
Franson/Parent
Francis/Klein
Blummer

Now imagine rads on that SK, Legwand line. Oh BABY!
I like all that, I just worry about the experience level of the second-pairing defense.

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I like all that, I just worry about the experience level of the second-pairing defense.
You aren't the only one...

Seriously though, a line of Legwand, SK, and Ratulov would be absolutely sick!

Not like NHL 10 is realistic, but I did a season with SK, Rads, and Legwand. It ended with

Legwand 60 points, 30G
SK 45 points, 23G
Rads 68 points, 41G

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You aren't the only one...

Seriously though, a line of Legwand, SK, and Ratulov would be absolutely sick!

Not like NHL 10 is realistic, but I did a season with SK, Rads, and Legwand. It ended with

Legwand 60 points, 30G
SK 45 points, 23G
Rads 68 points, 41G
...but did we make it out of the first round?

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Hey guys pure fantasy question here, pick is coming up with Franson, Ellis, and Blum still on the board. Do you think any will make the team and if so do ya have any predictions points wise. And hockey fan wise what do you think they will all top out as? Thanks a lot guys

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Hey guys pure fantasy question here, pick is coming up with Franson, Ellis, and Blum still on the board. Do you think any will make the team and if so do ya have any predictions points wise. And hockey fan wise what do you think they will all top out as? Thanks a lot guys
All three might see time with Nashville next season, but only Franson is likely to be up all year with Blum likely starting in Milwaukee and Ellis maybe getting at most a 9 game tryout at the start of the season.

Based on his rookie numbers and an increased role this season, I'd say best case for Franson is 10-30-40 this season taking into account his jumps from year 1 to year 2 at both the junior and AHL levels...

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All three might see time with Nashville next season, but only Franson is likely to be up all year with Blum likely starting in Milwaukee and Ellis maybe getting at most a 9 game tryout at the start of the season.

Based on his rookie numbers and an increased role this season, I'd say best case for Franson is 10-30-40 this season taking into account his jumps from year 1 to year 2 at both the junior and AHL levels...
Thats perfect, thanks a lot. Any chance you wanna lend Weber, Suter, or any of your sick D prospects please send them our way!

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Training camp jersey numbers for the new Predators announced today:

Lombardi - 15
Parent - 77
Kostitsyn - 74
Lundmark - 21
Lindback - 39
Klasen - 58
Andersson - 28
Halischuk - 24

http://mobile.twitter.com/nhlpredsin...us/19930883895

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Training camp jersey numbers for the new Predators announced today:

Lindback - 39
Big shoes to fill

I wonder if Halischuk skates like Hordichuk. I can see myself getting confused already

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