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07-02-2010, 12:27 PM
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He may no be complete crap but he is not worth a top end prospect. There is a reason Vancouver is getting rid of him lets not kid ourselves. Saying he has the 'odd' brain cramp is being very generous. He's a depth defensemen on a good club. Not close to worth Filatov or Moore.
He's a 2nd-pairing defenceman on virtually every club in the NHL, with a few exceptions. The Canucks are now, with their recent acquisitions, one of those exceptions.

What do you think Moore and Filatov are worth, then?

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Filatov has no value actually.

This is HF where the prospects can return top 6 forward, top 4 forward and another top prospect. It's not gonna happen.

Remember JJ for Gleason deal? It was 'disaster' per HF but works great for Carolina.
JJ wasn't going to sign and teams knew this, so his value was low.

Bieksa has 1 year left and Vancouver fans hate his play.

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trading bieksa for filatov straight up is essentially trading bieksa for a lottery pick

the lottery pick, like filatov, may not pan out...but the idea of kevin bieksa's trade value being a lottery pick is not computing with me at the moment

whoever is suggesting it's ehrhoff and not bieksa is dreaming...the canucks will not be moving ehrhoff

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07-02-2010, 12:32 PM
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Bieksa has 1 year left and Vancouver fans hate his play.
A few very vocal Vancouver fans hate his play. The rest of us aren't quite ready to burn him at the stake for not playing great after coming off of an fluke injury and being thrust into an inappropriate role.

None of this is to say that Bieksa for Filatov is a wonderful trade, just that it's not completely lopsided.

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trading bieksa for filatov straight up is essentially trading bieksa for a lottery pick

the lottery pick, like filatov, may not pan out...but the idea of kevin bieksa's trade value being a lottery pick is not computing with me at the moment
Vancouver sees value in getting rid of Bieksa's contract. Now that Vancouver has an embarassment of riches on defense, that $3.75 million could be better spent on keeping Mason Raymond, signing another depth forward, or keeping some cap space handy for a deadline acquisition.

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He's a 2nd-pairing defenceman on virtually every club in the NHL, with a few exceptions. The Canucks are now, with their recent acquisitions, one of those exceptions.

What do you think Moore and Filatov are worth, then?
Someone who can bring a lot more than Bieksa can.

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Most casual Canuck fans really like Bieksa. When I watch games with my friends, he's one of the more popular players. It's only on here where people hate him.

He's liked by fans, media, and his teammates. He'd be a solid addition to most teams in the league.

Filatov obviously holds higher value than him, I don't think anybody expects a 1 for 1 deal to actually go through.

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Is there Filatov even going to play in the NHL next year? Or is he going to stay in Russia?

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Someone who can bring a lot more than Bieksa can.
Like? Give an example.

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Like? Give an example.
Niklas Hjarmalsson for one. I'm sure I could find a lot more if I went through every team and looked.

Are you really saying you think fair value for Bieksa is Filatov or Moore? Really?

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Like? Give an example.
Anyone? The Sens could trump that if he were being 'given' away like that.

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A) If Columbus is going to throw away Filatov on a 1 year rental of a D-Man I'd rather it be Kaberle. (yeah yeah, I know I just opened the Toronto floodgates)

B) The Columbus Dispatch beat writers are batting Eklund-like numbers this summer with the crap rumors. The sad thing is, unlike Eklund, people think they actually have Journalistic Integrity, because they are paid to cover the team.

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Niklas Hjarmalsson for one. I'm sure I could find a lot more if I went through every team and looked.

Are you really saying you think fair value for Bieksa is Filatov or Moore? Really?
If Hjarmalsson was on the Canucks last year playing shutdown minutes and Bieksa a was on the Blackhawks playing sheltered minutes behind Keith and Seabrook, do you think you'd see it the same way? Let me help you - you wouldn't.


As I clearly stated earlier, I don't think Bieksa and Filatov would be the only pieces in the deal.

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Anyone? The Sens could trump that if he were being 'given' away like that.
Names. Who would you offer?

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Names. Who would you offer?
If Filatov is willing to come back to NA immediately, then there are a number of things that could be done.

Nick Foligno is a rock solid young player. Kuba (yesterday) would have been an option so we could have signed Michalek's bro. If our scouts like Filatov enough, Wiercioch (you'd love him) or Cowen could have been dangled.

If it's a cheaper D you need, Campoli or Lee (+ obviously).

There's other options from other teams as well - again, contingent on if Filatov will come over.

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Anyone? The Sens could trump that if he were being 'given' away like that.
He's not being given away. I don't see many teams looking to sell a 40+pt defenseman that plays a physical game. Generally teams look to keep those kinds of players. I would think that a team that lost defenseman to FA, teams looking to improve their rosters, or teams that struck out on FA would be calling around.

Bieksa is our scapegoat. When he's paired with a steady partner, he's a very good defenseman.

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If Hjarmalsson was on the Canucks last year playing shutdown minutes and Bieksa a was on the Blackhawks playing sheltered minutes behind Keith and Seabrook, do you think you'd see it the same way? Let me help you - you wouldn't.


As I clearly stated earlier, I don't think Bieksa and Filatov would be the only pieces in the deal.
Uh, yes I would. Again, just one example I used. Vancouver wouldn't have committed so many years to Hamhuis and traded for Ballard if Bieksa was really as good as you are suggesting. They wouldn't have needed to. You seem to think Bieksa will get a top prospect in return, I disagree (and judging from the various opinions so do many others). Fine. Whatever. We'll see what they get in return, but I suspect you will be disappointed.

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He's not being given away. I don't see many teams looking to sell a 40+pt defenseman that plays a physical game. Generally teams look to keep those kinds of players. I would think that a team that lost defenseman to FA, teams looking to improve their rosters, or teams that struck out on FA would be calling around.

Bieksa is our scapegoat. When he's paired with a steady partner, he's a very good defenseman.
He's okay, yeah, I guess it would make some sense, but I thought Columbus would want more of a PP specialist/offensive D-man. Bieksa puts up some points, but I haven't been as impressed with him recently as I thought I would (same applies to Kuba mind you).

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Filatov has said numerous times he will be in NA/MHL/CBJ this coming season. Folks can believe that or not, but the ones who are asking "Is he even coming?" can stop.

And this thread is funny with some pimping Bieksa and pooh-pooh-ing Filatov. Sounds like someone's trying to over/under sell in the hopes of getting a steal.

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Is there Filatov even going to play in the NHL next year? Or is he going to stay in Russia?
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If KHL offered more money( 1-4 million more) than CBJ, but CBJ guaranteed a 1st/2nd line spot and PP time what would you choose?

nhl.

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do you think you will play with the jackets this year

hope so

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ever coming back to CBJ?

in august !!

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are you even going to play in the nhl again?

yes

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WIth Hitchcock out, do you think the emergence of Scott Arniel will help with your offensive production this coming year?

hope so

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Has GM Scott Howson talked to you recently?

yes

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Very excited to see you play in Columbus this fall. Thank you for coming back to the CBJ.

thanx for waiting me back

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Your friend Kabanov says he doesn't know if your coming back to Columbus.

i am

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Did you ever think about staying in the KHL and not returning to the NHL?

no

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Can't wait to see you around C-bus

very soon.

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Are you excited to return to columbus?

yeeees

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When are you arriving in Columbus, OH?

august

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Come back to the cbj please!!!!

i will

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Do you wish you played for a different NHL team?

noo

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When do you plan to go to Ohio?

august

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Should I buy a number 28 CBJ jersey this year?

u should )

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Do you want to play in Columbus this year?

yeees

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Niki, I bought a great picture of you scoring the third goal of your hat trick here in Columbus. I think you and the new coach, Arneil, will work great together. When will you be returning to Columbus to prepare for training camp?

hope so.. i m gonna be ready and prepared.

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If things go bad, will you b in CSKA again this year? Speaking as a CBJ fan I want you here so badly. Coach Arniel wants to talk to you and I hear he really likes your game. I just want you to stay in Columbus and help Nash put up some W's.

no . i m not going back to russia.anyway .no matter what

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If things go bad, will you b in CSKA again this year? Speaking as a CBJ fan I want you here so badly. Coach Arniel wants to talk to you and I hear he really likes your game. I just want you to stay in Columbus and help Nash put up some W's.

no . i m not going back to russia.anyway .no matter what
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I could see something like Bieksa and Rodin for Filatov.

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07-02-2010, 01:07 PM
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You seem to think Bieksa will get a top prospect in return,
No, that's not true. I didn't say that.

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We'll see what they get in return, but I suspect you will be disappointed.
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If Filatov is willing to come back to NA immediately, then there are a number of things that could be done.

Nick Foligno is a rock solid young player. Kuba (yesterday) would have been an option so we could have signed Michalek's bro. If our scouts like Filatov enough, Wiercioch (you'd love him) or Cowen could have been dangled.

If it's a cheaper D you need, Campoli or Lee (+ obviously).

There's other options from other teams as well - again, contingent on if Filatov will come over.
You mean you want Filatov. I think Columbus would want something more immediate rather than prospects that could or could not pan out. I'm not that intimate with Columbus and their organization, but I think it's more accurate than inaccurate. Wiercioch is kind of a boom or bust defenseman with upside. Cowen is a defensive defenseman, and Columbus has a fair amount of those.

Bieksa won't get a Filatov, but I think Bieksa has good value.

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He's okay, yeah, I guess it would make some sense, but I thought Columbus would want more of a PP specialist/offensive D-man. Bieksa puts up some points, but I haven't been as impressed with him recently as I thought I would (same applies to Kuba mind you).
Bieksa is an offensive D man / pp specialist. He is also pretty physical and plays a reasonably up-tempo offensive 5on5 game. He needs to be paired with a stay at home style defender, however.

He is good for 40 points even on weak offensive teams. The reason he doesn't see much PP time in Vancouver is because ehrhoff and Edler are both better at it.

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07-02-2010, 01:11 PM
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If Filatov is willing to come back to NA immediately, then there are a number of things that could be done.

Nick Foligno is a rock solid young player. Kuba (yesterday) would have been an option so we could have signed Michalek's bro. If our scouts like Filatov enough, Wiercioch (you'd love him) or Cowen could have been dangled.

If it's a cheaper D you need, Campoli or Lee (+ obviously).

There's other options from other teams as well - again, contingent on if Filatov will come over.
See, there you go. Bieksa is almost certainly worth more than Kuba, Campoli, or Lee.

And as far as Foligno, Wiercioch, or Cowen go, the Canucks have prospects to easily match those guys, but we're not talking about them, are we?

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