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07-02-2010, 11:48 AM
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Souray

He's been waived, Cap hit is 5.4, actual PR is a million less.

I know Darcy won't, but i'd like to see the Sabres claim him.

He's definately overpriced, but at this point, i don't see the sabres using their excess cap space to do anything better.

Hes no Kaberle, but if (big if) he stays healthy he would help the PP dramitically, plus you didn't give anything up to get him. He adds a bit of sandpaper and veteran experiance too.

If it doesn't work out, they could just waive him - either someone else will pick him up, or his cap hit would become reasonable.

Nothing to lose in my mind, not much of a risk either.

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He's been waived, Cap hit is 5.4, actual PR is a million less.

I know Darcy won't, but i'd like to see the Sabres claim him.

He's definately overpriced, but at this point, i don't see the sabres using their excess cap space to do anything better.

Hes no Kaberle, but if (big if) he stays healthy he would help the PP dramitically, plus you didn't give anything up to get him. He adds a bit of sandpaper and veteran experiance too.

If it doesn't work out, they could just waive him - either someone else will pick him up, or his cap hit would become reasonable.

Nothing to lose in my mind, not much of a risk either.
no no no. not at that price.

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Oilers have zero interest in eating half of Souray's contract via re-entry waivers. They want to lose his full contract on normal waivers.

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Well you can wish in one hand and crap in the other. See which one gets filled up first.
I would be surprised if he didn't clear.

They may need to do a package deal like Cogliano + Souray for someone else's not great contract.

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no no no. not at that price.
It is a gross overpayment, i won't argue that, but, we have the cap space (we'd have plenty left to fill out our roster after claiming him), there really aren't any better FA Dmen available anymore, and no current roster players are given up in the acquisition.

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It is a gross overpayment, i won't argue that, but, we have the cap space (we'd have plenty left to fill out our roster after claiming him), there really aren't any better FA Dmen available anymore, and no current roster players are given up in the acquisition.
now i think of it, his contract is up in 2 years. we do have the space.

hmm..its intriguing nonetheless

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It is a gross overpayment, i won't argue that, but, we have the cap space (we'd have plenty left to fill out our roster after claiming him), there really aren't any better FA Dmen available anymore, and no current roster players are given up in the acquisition.
The issue isn't just cap space.

Regier has a payroll budget to think about to. Souray will cut into that big time for what he'd bring to the table.

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I can already hear the whining when he misses half next season with injuries and decides to retire in 2011-12 because his body can't take it anymore. If a Souray retires due to injuries, he'll come off the cap, but the team still has to honor the contract. This isn't a no risk proposition. It's intriguing enough for Quinn to gamble on.

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I'd rather they break the bank on Kovy than pick up Souray on waivers.

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Only if it's re-entry waivers and we get him at half the salary.

Otherwise, he's too expensive for what he brings.

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The issue isn't just cap space.

Regier has a payroll budget to think about to. Souray will cut into that big time for what he'd bring to the table.
As i said in my first post, Souray's actual PR is more reasonable (4.5 million). Still a little high, but not terrible for the potential. Souray is only a season removed from 20+ goals on the blueline.

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2006-2007 Canadiens 81 26 38
2007-2008 Oilers 26 3 7
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As i said in my first post, Souray's actual PR is more reasonable (4.5 million). Still a little high, but not terrible for the potential. Souray is only a season removed from 20+ goals on the blueline.

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He's missed over 90 games over the past three years.

No thanks

Plus, he'd kick Butler or Weber back to Portland and I'd rather go with those guys this year.

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He's missed over 90 games over the past three years.

No thanks

Plus, he'd kick Butler or Weber back to Portland and I'd rather go with those guys this year.
Team worst for the sabres at -15 last year... Butler is a 7-8th Dman at this point, he belongs in portland.

Im for giving Weber a crack, but he won't see PP time and will be in the bottom pairing, not comparable to what souray could bring.

As for the 90 games missed... sounds like Connolly, who (while invisible in the postseason) was around a PPG this past year.

Its a risk, but could pay huge dividends.

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Team worst for the sabres at -15 last year... Butler is a 7-8th Dman at this point, he belongs in portland.

Im for giving Weber a crack, but he won't see PP time and will be in the bottom pairing, not comparable to what souray could bring.

As for the 90 games missed... sounds like Connolly, who (while invisible in the postseason) was around a PPG this past year.

Its a risk, but could pay huge dividends.
I'll bank on Butler having a solid bounce back year after a tough sophomore season.

The risk/reward on Butler is immensely smaller on the risk and slightly less on the reward when compared to Souray.

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I'd rather they break the bank on Kovy than pick up Souray on waivers.
Yes but only one of those is actually an option...

I wouldn't mind Souray. Our D is looking terrible this season if it stays how it is. Souray would give us a very solid weapon from the blueline and another experienced guy to help develop all the young defensmen on our team. The cap hit is worth what he can bring if he can stay healthy. A concussion and broken hand aren't reoccuring injuries. He's not a Floppa type with a chronic nagging injury so he doesn't scare me too much.

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Leopold at 3 mil is bad enough. Please don't bring this guy in too.

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Team worst for the sabres at -15 last year... Butler is a 7-8th Dman at this point, he belongs in portland.
1 - Butler was paired with Rivet.
2 - +- is a terrible stat.
3 - Sophomore slump.

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1 - Butler was paired with Rivet.
2 - +- is a terrible stat.
3 - Sophomore slump.
Butler is a terrible defenseman.

I'd wait for re-entry, but we need someone who knows what they are doing on all 3 pairings. Can you imagine a Sekera/Butler, or Sekera/Weber pairing - that is some scary ****. Leopold will help, but we need a souray type guy back there - and here he is. Waiting til we stumble out the gate in Oct is going to drive up asking prices for a d-man. Jump on it.

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Not really. A lot of flaws in his current game are the same flaws good defensemen have early on in their careers. People need to stop giving Butler so much ****, he's not that bad.

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Butler is a terrible defenseman.

I'd wait for re-entry, but we need someone who knows what they are doing on all 3 pairings. Can you imagine a Sekera/Butler, or Sekera/Weber pairing - that is some scary ****. Leopold will help, but we need a souray type guy back there - and here he is. Waiting til we stumble out the gate in Oct is going to drive up asking prices for a d-man. Jump on it.
He also just finished his second pro year after being excellent as a rookie. He did get more Calder votes than Luke Schenn, after all. I'm willing to give him more time in the NHL, unless he's moved in a package deal.

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He's been waived, Cap hit is 5.4, actual PR is a million less.

I know Darcy won't, but i'd like to see the Sabres claim him.

He's definately overpriced, but at this point, i don't see the sabres using their excess cap space to do anything better.

Hes no Kaberle, but if (big if) he stays healthy he would help the PP dramitically, plus you didn't give anything up to get him. He adds a bit of sandpaper and veteran experiance too.

If it doesn't work out, they could just waive him - either someone else will pick him up, or his cap hit would become reasonable.

Nothing to lose in my mind, not much of a risk either.


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I wouldn't mind Souray. Our D is looking terrible this season if it stays how it is. Souray would give us a very solid weapon from the blueline and another experienced guy to help develop all the young defensmen on our team. The cap hit is worth what he can bring if he can stay healthy. A concussion and broken hand aren't reoccuring injuries. He's not a Floppa type with a chronic nagging injury so he doesn't scare me too much.
Is this how low Sabre fans are forced to set their expectations, where every broken-down, overpaid, one-dimensional spare part around the league that no one else wants is the best that we should hope for? I know that Quinn's / Regier's actions the past few years have exacted a beating on our collective morale but seriously, Souray???

I'd rather have the Sabres bring Andy Delmore out of retirement.

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yeah pretty terrible.

dont see regier dropping that kind of money on him and if/when he goes through re-entry, someone will scoop him up probably before we do.

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yeah pretty terrible.

dont see regier dropping that kind of money on him and if/when he goes through re-entry, someone will scoop him up probably before we do.
Even if the Sabres were to sign Souray for $1.00, it'd take all of 2-3 games into next season before every HSBC attendee begs for a refund.

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