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07-02-2010, 11:46 PM
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husband: "dear, could you stop by the store to get some hot dogs and buns?"

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wife: "im back! i got 400 pounds of expired steak, the entire cheese section, and some dog food. but the dog food looked real good, so i payed EXTRA for it!"

husband: "why. why would you do this?"

wife: "by the way, i had to sell our car to afford all this."


thats what this feels like to me....and i see no way we get so much from LA. thats just fantasy.
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If that deal were to go down it's obvious Holmgren has "pictures" of Lombardi or some other kind of dirt on him resulting from his stint in Philly.....

That trade is insane! Chicago might as well send us the Cup now.....
I don't see why the deal is so bad other than Kovalchuks contract. They don't seem to believe in Johnson anymore, Carter and Kopitar cancel out, Gagne and Brown cancel out, and they already have a capable starting G. Not a great deal for the Kings, but not horrible. Just looks worse than it is because of all the names involved.

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that trade is absurd... LA could take out JJ or we could add carle or even they take out JJ and we add some picks/prospects and i would still run away giggling like a little girl and yelling "no take backsies!"

kopitar is really the only non-flyer mancrush i have to rival that of the koivu's.


as for the grocery analogy... we certainly did stockpile our fridge, didn't we? i don't understand why everyone is complaining?!?!?! /confusionfromotherboards

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Wow, just got back home. I was just gonna check real quick to see if there was any news on Gagne and then go to bed, but now I don't think I can. What the hell? Is this deal actually possible? My mind will explode if this is pulled off. The Kings want Kovy that badly? I guess we move one of Coburn/Carle/Meszaros and get rid of Boucher to fit everyone in? Geez, so many questions.

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Wow, just got back home. I was just gonna check real quick to see if there was any news on Gagne and then go to bed, but now I don't think I can. What the hell? Is this deal actually possible? My mind will explode if this is pulled off. The Kings want Kovy that badly? I guess we move one of Coburn/Carle/Meszaros and get rid of Boucher to fit everyone in? Geez, so many questions.
its not going to happen. It was something a fan posted in the comments section on hockeybuzz, but has since been proved false.

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If we trade Gagne to the Kings, I want Quick back.

But I realize that a lot of things are too much to ask for the Flyers, so I'll amend that to "if Gagne has to be traded, please let it be to the Kings."

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its not going to happen. It was something a fan posted in the comments section on hockeybuzz, but has since been proved false.
Yeah the dude who posted it disappeared

This post by CheeversMask ripping on the guy who started the rumor was priceless

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its not going to happen. It was something a fan posted in the comments section on hockeybuzz, but has since been proved false.
Yeah there is really no way we make out well in this situation. I just hope there is a lot of lube.

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You are soooo good at expressing my feelings. Thank you.
i do what i can, kind sir

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its not going to happen. It was something a fan posted in the comments section on hockeybuzz, but has since been proved false.
Lol, my head was swimming for a minute there trying to figure out what the hell is going on. Guess I'll rest easy tonight, thanks.

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i do what i can, kind sir
I hope to see what it is like when you express joy. How ever that Picard avatar representing the horror of this off season is 'fantastic' one of my favorite characters representing the current horror to my favorite team. It's almost to appropriate.

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Some things are just undeniable. The sky is blue, the grass is green, Simon Gagne is a Flyer. This shouldn't be happening. We shouldn't be where we are today.

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I hope to see what it is like when you express joy. How ever that Picard avatar representing the horror of this off season is 'fantastic' one of my favorite characters representing the current horror to my favorite team. It's almost to appropriate.
im afraid im better at expressing bitter disapointment, haha.

and yeah. picard is the man.

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So has gagne actually been traded? or is it still rumor?

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I would hate to see Gags go. One of my all-time favorite flyers but if we get a good return. Sign me up.

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Some things are just undeniable. The sky is blue, the grass is green, Simon Gagne is a Flyer. This shouldn't be happening. We shouldn't be where we are today.
perfect, just spot on. my "be a pro" in nhl 10 has made some interesting flyers trades...most notably richards to wherever, and gagne to toronto.

when i play and see richards, i think "thats kind of funny, game."

when i play toronto and see gagne, i think "**** you game, that's a travesty."

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im afraid im better at expressing bitter disapointment, haha.

and yeah. picard is the man.
Yeah well I guess as Flyers fans we are far more familiar with bitter disappointment than joy.

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To be honest, I'd take these ****** deals and Shelley and whatnot anyday to keep Gagne. Seriously, I would probably cry if he left...

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WTF are you talking about...LMAO...

year in and year out????? The cap was instituted in 2005-2006 after the 2004-2005 lockout season. Clarke had one whole year to work with the cap and it resulted in him getting canned in 2006-2007...which turned out to be the worst season in Flyers history! His awesome moves in 2005-2006 were Brad Tapper, Nolan Baumgartner and some other scrubs.
The problem in 2006-2007 was none of Clarke's doing. He positioned the team well coming out of the lock out. The problem was that Desjardins retired, Johnsson got a ridiculous contract offer from Minnesota and the move that hamstrung the team the most was Primeau's refusal to retire.

It has been well documented that doctors told Primeau at the start of the playoffs that he would never be cleared to play again. But, being the stubborn jackass that he was, he continued to seek other opinions, even after multiple doctors told him he wasn't going to be cleared due to post concussion syndromes. Clarke couldn't cut him because it would have counted against the cap and Primeau wasn't going to retire until he exhausted all other avenues. That left the Flyers in a bind simply because Gagne needed a new contract and once he signed, there wasn't much money left over. If Primeau retired, Handzus stays a Flyer and assumes Primeau's role and maybe Kim Johnsson re-signs. No, the 2006-2007 falls squarely on Primeau's shoulders for failing to see the writing on the wall.

And, even when the 2006-2007 season was over, Clarke had the team setup in such a manner that there was going to be all kinds of money to spend. Don't kid yourself about Clarke. He had the insight to look out down the road three to four seasons. He always knew when to stock up on draft picks for certain drafts and he knew when to unload draft picks if the draft was going to be poor. The man may not have had the best track record with regards to goaltenders, but he always put a quality product on the ice and he always left the team in a good position to be competitive year in and year out.

In Holmgren's tenure, he's managed to piss away valuable cap space, hand out over inflated contracts like they were candy, realize his contractual mistakes and send the player plus a draft pick to some other team and then make the same mistake over again. As well, it should be noted that he deals away draft picks like they're nothing and he's basically emptied the farm system of any blue chip prospects (really, the only blue chippers in the system are Eriksson and Bobrovsky and even they've got more question marks than answers) without replenishing the stock. Say what you want, but Holmgren has done a much, much, much worse job than what Clarke did during his tenure with the salary cap.

You want to hear the honest to God's truth? The biggest mistake this franchise EVER made was when Clarke stepped down, they replaced him with someone from within. If Snider would have done his due diligence, he would have hired someone from outside the organization. They would have brought a fresh view with regards to how the organization is run and they would have probably fixed things. Instead, he put someone in charge that has a similar view to Clarke's and he put someone in charge who had decimated a franchise previously (see Whalers, Hartford). Holmgren has proved his stupidity over and over again and continues to make bad move after bad move.

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The problem in 2006-2007 was none of Clarke's doing. He positioned the team well coming out of the lock out. The problem was that Desjardins retired, Johnsson got a ridiculous contract offer from Minnesota and the move that hamstrung the team the most was Primeau's refusal to retire.

It has been well documented that doctors told Primeau at the start of the playoffs that he would never be cleared to play again. But, being the stubborn jackass that he was, he continued to seek other opinions, even after multiple doctors told him he wasn't going to be cleared due to post concussion syndromes. Clarke couldn't cut him because it would have counted against the cap and Primeau wasn't going to retire until he exhausted all other avenues. That left the Flyers in a bind simply because Gagne needed a new contract and once he signed, there wasn't much money left over. If Primeau retired, Handzus stays a Flyer and assumes Primeau's role and maybe Kim Johnsson re-signs. No, the 2006-2007 falls squarely on Primeau's shoulders for failing to see the writing on the wall.

And, even when the 2006-2007 season was over, Clarke had the team setup in such a manner that there was going to be all kinds of money to spend. Don't kid yourself about Clarke. He had the insight to look out down the road three to four seasons. He always knew when to stock up on draft picks for certain drafts and he knew when to unload draft picks if the draft was going to be poor. The man may not have had the best track record with regards to goaltenders, but he always put a quality product on the ice and he always left the team in a good position to be competitive year in and year out.

In Holmgren's tenure, he's managed to piss away valuable cap space, hand out over inflated contracts like they were candy, realize his contractual mistakes and send the player plus a draft pick to some other team and then make the same mistake over again. As well, it should be noted that he deals away draft picks like they're nothing and he's basically emptied the farm system of any blue chip prospects (really, the only blue chippers in the system are Eriksson and Bobrovsky and even they've got more question marks than answers) without replenishing the stock. Say what you want, but Holmgren has done a much, much, much worse job than what Clarke did during his tenure with the salary cap.

You want to hear the honest to God's truth? The biggest mistake this franchise EVER made was when Clarke stepped down, they replaced him with someone from within. If Snider would have done his due diligence, he would have hired someone from outside the organization. They would have brought a fresh view with regards to how the organization is run and they would have probably fixed things. Instead, he put someone in charge that has a similar view to Clarke's and he put someone in charge who had decimated a franchise previously (see Whalers, Hartford). Holmgren has proved his stupidity over and over again and continues to make bad move after bad move.
This made me appreciate Clarke in a way I don't feel was possible before. I haven't been as aware as long as some of you guys, but I can't really find any big issue with anything you said. It's true. Clarke might have appeared as a jerk-off, but it wasn't because he was a dumbass. His biggest problem ended up being poor and inconvenient timing. Holmgren's biggest problem is he isn't actually suited for the job of GM at all.

What I don't get is what has to happen to have this guy ****ing fired. It's not as if he'll literally be fired by a dragon spitting it at his ass for the rest of his life...he'll get put into some made up position which still pays six digits a year. He's made for life. It's not like there's any bad blood that could come from firing him and, even then, who the **** cares? Snider would be the one canning his ass, and he's Ed ****ing Snider. He can do whatever the **** he wants, but even he doesn't seem to realize that. God damnit, this whole mess is so ****ing frustrating.

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The problem in 2006-2007 was none of Clarke's doing. He positioned the team well coming out of the lock out. The problem was that Desjardins retired, Johnsson got a ridiculous contract offer from Minnesota and the move that hamstrung the team the most was Primeau's refusal to retire.

It has been well documented that doctors told Primeau at the start of the playoffs that he would never be cleared to play again. But, being the stubborn jackass that he was, he continued to seek other opinions, even after multiple doctors told him he wasn't going to be cleared due to post concussion syndromes. Clarke couldn't cut him because it would have counted against the cap and Primeau wasn't going to retire until he exhausted all other avenues. That left the Flyers in a bind simply because Gagne needed a new contract and once he signed, there wasn't much money left over. If Primeau retired, Handzus stays a Flyer and assumes Primeau's role and maybe Kim Johnsson re-signs. No, the 2006-2007 falls squarely on Primeau's shoulders for failing to see the writing on the wall.

And, even when the 2006-2007 season was over, Clarke had the team setup in such a manner that there was going to be all kinds of money to spend. Don't kid yourself about Clarke. He had the insight to look out down the road three to four seasons. He always knew when to stock up on draft picks for certain drafts and he knew when to unload draft picks if the draft was going to be poor. The man may not have had the best track record with regards to goaltenders, but he always put a quality product on the ice and he always left the team in a good position to be competitive year in and year out.

In Holmgren's tenure, he's managed to piss away valuable cap space, hand out over inflated contracts like they were candy, realize his contractual mistakes and send the player plus a draft pick to some other team and then make the same mistake over again. As well, it should be noted that he deals away draft picks like they're nothing and he's basically emptied the farm system of any blue chip prospects (really, the only blue chippers in the system are Eriksson and Bobrovsky and even they've got more question marks than answers) without replenishing the stock. Say what you want, but Holmgren has done a much, much, much worse job than what Clarke did during his tenure with the salary cap.

You want to hear the honest to God's truth? The biggest mistake this franchise EVER made was when Clarke stepped down, they replaced him with someone from within. If Snider would have done his due diligence, he would have hired someone from outside the organization. They would have brought a fresh view with regards to how the organization is run and they would have probably fixed things. Instead, he put someone in charge that has a similar view to Clarke's and he put someone in charge who had decimated a franchise previously (see Whalers, Hartford). Holmgren has proved his stupidity over and over again and continues to make bad move after bad move.
While I don't necessarily agree with some of the comments about Primeau, this post is QFT in a bajillion ways. This is post of the year, especially that last paragraph.

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While I don't necessarily agree with some of the comments about Primeau, this post is QFT in a bajillion ways. This is post of the year, especially that last paragraph.
While I appreciate the situation Primeau was in (it's tough to stop doing something you love to do), his situation that summer completely *ed us, and there was nothing Clarke could do about it.

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Also, what seems like it was Homer's biggest strength was his eye for talent in the draft. And he neutralizes that by trading away his draft picks...Honestly, I don't know where to even begin with him.

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Also, what seems like it was Homer's biggest strength was his eye for talent in the draft. And he neutralizes that by trading away his draft picks...Honestly, I don't know where to even begin with him.
FWIW: if you try that same tactic in NHL10 Be a GM mode, you lose all credibility and get fired, lol.

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FWIW: if you try that same tactic in NHL10 Be a GM mode, you lose all credibility and get fired, lol.
Things are bad when a video game is more realistic than the situation at hand...

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