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07-03-2010, 02:20 AM
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Replacing Darche in Hamilton

The signing of Mathieu Darche, an AHL vet with good offensive numbers and a few NHL games under his belt proved to be a terrific move by the Habs last year. Darche was reportedly an excellent mentor for young players in Hamilton, and he was even able to contribute in the NHL when he got the chance due to numerous injuries.

The Edmonton Oilers just signed Alexandre Giroux, who has averaged 55 goals and 100 points the past two seasons in the AHL while scoring 9 points in 31 NHL games life to date.

Younger than Darche, Giroux just turned 29 years of age. Does anyone know why the Habs should not be interested in this player who not only could help the Bulldogs on the ice, but also could play that mentor role, especially for kids from the Q not familiar with anglo culture, etc.

What are the knocks on Alex Giroux and why has he not been able to play more often in the NHL? Is skating an issue? How does he compare in that area to Darche? How about hustle?

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There are lots of players who produce at the AHL level and don't ever get a solid chance at the NHL level. Sometimes it's motivation, sometimes it's speed or size, sometimes the talent just doesn't translate well, and sometimes there just isn't space.

Look at guys like Jason Ward or Corey Locke;

Ward was a beast in the AHL, but when he got the NHL he basically became at best, a 4th liner.

Corey Locke has consistently produced at the AHL level and usually is the top scorer on his AHL Team. In the year the Bulldogs won the Calder Cup, he was the equilivalent of Mike Cammalleri this year.

Locke has had a few cups of coffee, but has never got a chance to play more than 10 minutes in a game at the NHL level, he's pretty close to about 5 minutes per game.

Giroux signing in Edmonton is smart though. He hasn't had much of a chance in the NHL to this point, so why not sign with a team who, many consider, a bottom of the pack team. I'd be surprised if Corey Locke didn't sign with a team like the Islanders.

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There are lots of players who produce at the AHL level and don't ever get a solid chance at the NHL level. Sometimes it's motivation, sometimes it's speed or size, sometimes the talent just doesn't translate well, and sometimes there just isn't space.

Look at guys like Jason Ward or Corey Locke;

Ward was a beast in the AHL, but when he got the NHL he basically became at best, a 4th liner.

Corey Locke has consistently produced at the AHL level and usually is the top scorer on his AHL Team. In the year the Bulldogs won the Calder Cup, he was the equilivalent of Mike Cammalleri this year.

Locke has had a few cups of coffee, but has never got a chance to play more than 10 minutes in a game at the NHL level, he's pretty close to about 5 minutes per game.

Giroux signing in Edmonton is smart though. He hasn't had much of a chance in the NHL to this point, so why not sign with a team who, many consider, a bottom of the pack team. I'd be surprised if Corey Locke didn't sign with a team like the Islanders.
I understand all that. Certainly size is not the issue with Giroux, he is 6'2" and 220 lbs. I'm just wondering why the Habs don't give him a chance. They had Darche last year, and have had players like both of them in Hamilton before. Is there a hustle or character issue that reduces his value as a mentor?

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I understand all that. Certainly size is not the issue with Giroux, he is 6'2" and 220 lbs. I'm just wondering why the Habs don't give him a chance. They had Darche last year, and have had players like both of them in Hamilton before. Is there a hustle or character issue that reduces his value as a mentor?
Why would Giroux come here, where getting a roster spot isn't even possible when he could go to Edmonton and battle for an NHL spot? Not only do most people want to play in the NHL, but the money difference would be huge.

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the man simply cannot be replaced.

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We do have a player like Glumac to help younger kids. He is not a ppg player in the ahl, but still is pretty good and seems to be bringing some leadership.

I agree with you though, older players who can produce in the ahl might help some of our kids to blossom in the ahl...

Let's get the ferraro twins!

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We do have a player like Glumac to help younger kids. He is not a ppg player in the ahl, but still is pretty good and seems to be bringing some leadership.

I agree with you though, older players who can produce in the ahl might help some of our kids to blossom in the ahl...

Let's get the ferraro twins!
Glumac is still unsigned at this point. I hope Julien Brisebois takes cares of the vets in Hamilton. All fun and dandy to have promising young studs....they need to be supported. So far, no Henry, no Glumac, obviously no Darche. Aside from Sanford who's 30, our "vets" includes newly acquired Urquhart at 25, Wyman and St-Denis at 24. Add Klutertanz at 24. And Hamilton already have 24 players (add Klubertanz, Schultz and Nash to Thief's site). My best bet is that some guys in there are Cincinnati bound, though after a snif in the AHL, you'd think that's not what they would have in mind. With probably only 1 guy from that Hamilton list that could graduate, like White, you end up at 23. And I'd have to think Massť could be Cincinnati material. Still ends up at 22. And maybe Nash, this squad still has 21 healthy players.

You have to think if there wouldn't be a Belle for Locke type of trade coming. For a guy like Maxwell for example. And one of Weber or Carle. But that's another topic. With them or without them, I believe this squad needs some vets.

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There are lots of players who produce at the AHL level and don't ever get a solid chance at the NHL level. Sometimes it's motivation, sometimes it's speed or size, sometimes the talent just doesn't translate well, and sometimes there just isn't space.

...

Giroux signing in Edmonton is smart though. He hasn't had much of a chance in the NHL to this point, so why not sign with a team who, many consider, a bottom of the pack team. I'd be surprised if Corey Locke didn't sign with a team like the Islanders.
According to fans in Hershey, it is a question of speed, but not simply the skating, the time he takes to react. However, we can't say that he had a lot of games to adjust ... As a GM, he is a nice gamble; best scorer off the season, probably the best in the playoffs also, size. You give a contract to this guy and give him time with a skating specialist and wait for the results.

I'm also waiting for some veterans in Hamilton.

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Glumac is still unsigned at this point. I hope Julien Brisebois takes cares of the vets in Hamilton. All fun and dandy to have promising young studs....they need to be supported. So far, no Henry, no Glumac, obviously no Darche. Aside from Sanford who's 30, our "vets" includes newly acquired Urquhart at 25, Wyman and St-Denis at 24. Add Klutertanz at 24. And Hamilton already have 24 players (add Klubertanz, Schultz and Nash to Thief's site). My best bet is that some guys in there are Cincinnati bound, though after a snif in the AHL, you'd think that's not what they would have in mind. With probably only 1 guy from that Hamilton list that could graduate, like White, you end up at 23. And I'd have to think Massť could be Cincinnati material. Still ends up at 22. And maybe Nash, this squad still has 21 healthy players.

You have to think if there wouldn't be a Belle for Locke type of trade coming. For a guy like Maxwell for example. And one of Weber or Carle. But that's another topic. With them or without them, I believe this squad needs some vets.
I expect that Trotter and possibly Carle will be with the Habs as they need to clear waivers to go back to Hamilton. Urquhart is an ECHL player for sure, he has no real AHL experience and is already 25. Jancevski is still not signed and has had a few stints with the Bulldogs already. I would not want to see Maxwell go just yet, he is decent at the AHL level and still young and has size. A more likely candidate to go would be Desharnais who at his size has no chance of cracking the Habs line-up given all the guys ahead of him already. He deserves a chance elsewhere. Corey Locke is available if you want guys to get used to playing with Cammallari.

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Why not Darren Haydar ?

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Why not just put Darche in the AHL? It helps out the Bulldogs, and it helps out the Habs.

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Because he just signed a 1 way deal

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Why not just put Darche in the AHL? It helps out the Bulldogs, and it helps out the Habs.
What also helps the habs is having a 4th liner with decent size making the minimum who can chip in with 10-15g and 30pts.

I don't understand the reason behind people dismissing Darche so summarily.

The way people talk about Darche is as if he was hurting the team or if there were a million 4th liners who are better bang for your bucks. I don't get it.

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Because he just signed a 1 way deal
Pay him $500,000 in the AHL then. It's not my money.

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Darche the 13th forward in MTL at NHL minimum salary....

i don't see what's wrong with that ?

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Pay him $500,000 in the AHL then. It's not my money.
Wont clear waivers.

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Pay him $500,000 in the AHL then. It's not my money.
Agree with you, Mathieu Darche should replcae himself in the AHL, where he belongs, dont' get me wrong, it was a great story last year, local McGill grad plays for his dream team, but time to move on.
He's not an NHL player, just another Jacques Martin favourite, (listen to me and be rewarded) what can he bring to an NHL team to take them to the next level?

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Pay him $500,000 in the AHL then. It's not my money.
What you fail to understand is that Gauthier gave him the minimum on a 1-way deal because he has a spot for him on the team. Whether it's as the 12th or 13th forward.

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Agree with you, Mathieu Darche should replcae himself in the AHL, where he belongs, dont' get me wrong, it was a great story last year, local McGill grad plays for his dream team, but time to move on.
He's not an NHL player, just another Jacques Martin favourite, (listen to me and be rewarded) what can he bring to an NHL team to take them to the next level?
Guy Boucher had high praise for Darche, and Boucher is a favourite among MArtin-doubters. So why the dissing of Darche?

Also, what is wrong with a player who executes the coach's (team's) system, scores 10 points in 29 games and is willing to play for league minimum salary???

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What you fail to understand is that Gauthier gave him the minimum on a 1-way deal because he has a spot for him on the team. Whether it's as the 12th or 13th forward.
Exactly. Sometimes there are even TWO extra forwards on the roster. Who woud folks rather have sit on the bench or in the press box, Darche or White? Or Pacioretty or Palsuhaj, etc.?

Let the youngsters develop in Hamilton, and if they come up play real minutes, than waste a season of waiver exemption sitting around.

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Let's get Jason Krog. For a player who burns AHL but can't make the NHL, he has my vote.

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This is something no one needs to worry about. Worse case scenario, the habs don't sign a vet AHler, but Hamilton could. These type of players can be found anywhere. As long as we get a good coach for Hamilton,we're good.

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