HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Philadelphia Flyers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Ilya Kovalchuk offer

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
07-05-2010, 03:02 PM
  #176
dookie88
Registered User
 
dookie88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Germany
Country: Germany
Posts: 2,710
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by L-train View Post
I don't mind it too much... Parise is gonna need a new contract in the near future...
That's what I'm thinking, too.
They are going to be a one-line team soon.

dookie88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:08 PM
  #177
MsWoof
Registered User
 
MsWoof's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,239
vCash: 500
They've since changed the story and say the Devils are front runners.

MsWoof is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:15 PM
  #178
Jester
Registered User
 
Jester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: St. Andrews
Country: Scotland
Posts: 34,075
vCash: 500
Whatever, I didn't want Kovy on that type of contract, and I'm kind of thrilled the Devs were dumb enough to hand it out. The reality is that they're not going to get the Kovalchuk of the last few years for the life of the contract most likely. Though, they'll definitely get a lot in the short-term. That's before we get into Kovalchuk's shortcomings as a team player... which I think are a serious impediment to signing him to such a contract if your primary concern is winning Stanley Cups.

Jester is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:19 PM
  #179
markzab
Registered User
 
markzab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Philadelphia, PA.
Country: United States
Posts: 4,368
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to markzab
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jester View Post
Whatever, I didn't want Kovy on that type of contract, and I'm kind of thrilled the Devs were dumb enough to hand it out. The reality is that they're not going to get the Kovalchuk of the last few years for the life of the contract most likely. Though, they'll definitely get a lot in the short-term. That's before we get into Kovalchuk's shortcomings as a team player... which I think are a serious impediment to signing him to such a contract if your primary concern is winning Stanley Cups.
Is it just me or does this really seem like a Rangers type of move?

markzab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:25 PM
  #180
decadentia
Registered User
 
decadentia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New Brunswick
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,547
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jester View Post
Whatever, I didn't want Kovy on that type of contract, and I'm kind of thrilled the Devs were dumb enough to hand it out. The reality is that they're not going to get the Kovalchuk of the last few years for the life of the contract most likely. Though, they'll definitely get a lot in the short-term. That's before we get into Kovalchuk's shortcomings as a team player... which I think are a serious impediment to signing him to such a contract if your primary concern is winning Stanley Cups.
From reading the Devs board they are likely looking at getting rid of some Langebrunner/White/Rolston/Salvador...so they definitely have to lose some depth for him. I think it remains to be seen if it's going to have a positive enough effect to put them over the top. I think we'd be fools to downplay it however on "he's not a winner", we're going to feel the effect of this.

The team player aspect I would agree with, he almost reminds me of the Carmello Anthony of the NHL (I wouldn't go as far as saying Iverson, that's far too harsh).

decadentia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:30 PM
  #181
Jester
Registered User
 
Jester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: St. Andrews
Country: Scotland
Posts: 34,075
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by markzab View Post
Is it just me or does this really seem like a Rangers type of move?
It's shockingly out of line with how the Devs have operated over the years... both in terms of the contract, and the type of player we're talking about.

Quote:
Originally Posted by decadentia View Post
From reading the Devs board they are likely looking at getting rid of some Langebrunner/White/Rolston/Salvador...so they definitely have to lose some depth for him. I think it remains to be seen if it's going to have a positive enough effect to putt hem over the top. I think we'd be fools to downplay it however on "he's not a winner", we're going to feel the effect of this.

The team player aspect I would agree with, he almost reminds me of the Carmello Anthony of the NHL (I wouldn't go as far as saying Iverson, that's far too harsh).
I don't think it's a matter of him "not being a winner." I think his time in Atlanta did a severe disservice to his development as a hockey player in a team environment. Given that they sucked for the most of his tenure there (outside of one year) and for a lot of that time they really counted on him to carry the team... he's basically matured into a player that lacks a lot in the areas that help "teams" win games as opposed to individuals.

Maybe that changes in an environment like NJ with greater emphasis on system play, etc., but Kovy has a ways to go on that front. You add in that they spent all that money and have nothing that even remotely resembles a true no. 1 on defense (a huge detriment to a team), and I'm fine with this signing.

They'll be good, but I won't fear 'em.

Jester is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:36 PM
  #182
dbr2
Lockout Beard
 
dbr2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 9,340
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to dbr2
Perhaps we could get a Devil or two.

dbr2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:36 PM
  #183
MountainHawk
Registered User
 
MountainHawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Salem, MA
Country: Vanuatu
Posts: 12,771
vCash: 500
I ... agree ... with ... Jester. (Man, that was hard to type.)


Very un-Devil-like. 8.5M, or 15% of the cap, for a single winger? Between that and the Brodeur contract, they are wasting an awful lot of cap space on the two positions where you don't need to be truly elite to win.

MountainHawk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:42 PM
  #184
healthyscratch
Registered User
 
healthyscratch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Philly
Posts: 5,462
vCash: 633
If he resigns in NJ I cant wait until they try turning him into a system player, and he gives up after 1 year of frustration and he's scoring 20-25 goals for 8.7 million for the last 6 years.

healthyscratch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:45 PM
  #185
Valhoun*
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: West Chester, PA
Posts: 10,311
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Valhoun*
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainHawk View Post
I ... agree ... with ... Jester. (Man, that was hard to type.)


Very un-Devil-like. 8.5M, or 15% of the cap, for a single winger? Between that and the Brodeur contract, they are wasting an awful lot of cap space on the two positions where you don't need to be truly elite to win.
5.2M for Brodeur is not a waste. Especially early on in the contract when it was a ****ing bargain for a player of his caliber. It's not his fault that they run him into the ground every season and he's burnt out by the playoffs.

Valhoun* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:45 PM
  #186
dbr2
Lockout Beard
 
dbr2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 9,340
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to dbr2
Who cares, he sucked in the playoffs. Have fun NJ dealing with that ****** contract, with an aging Kovi.

dbr2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:46 PM
  #187
Kaktus*
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: PA
Posts: 22,389
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by L-train View Post
I don't mind it too much... Parise is gonna need a new contract in the near future...
and this is when Pandofolo and Langenbrunner as well as Arnotts contract will expire. That contract will take Kovalchuk to 34 years old.

Brieres contract will take him to 38 years old.

Kaktus* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:48 PM
  #188
lancer247
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,044
vCash: 500
Kovy a Devil

$8.53M for 6 yrs for a guy that doesn't really fit their style of play.

lancer247 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:50 PM
  #189
Jester
Registered User
 
Jester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: St. Andrews
Country: Scotland
Posts: 34,075
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbr2 View Post
Who cares, he sucked in the playoffs. Have fun NJ dealing with that ****** contract, with an aging Kovi.
...2-4-6 in 5 games doesn't strike me as "sucking." He was also about an inch from scoring what would have been the goal of the playoffs as far as I'm concerned. Now, he certainly had moments where he was trying way too hard and becoming a detriment to his team by not playing with his teammates, but I'm not sure "sucked" is fair.

Jester is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:54 PM
  #190
Kaktus*
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: PA
Posts: 22,389
vCash: 500
Yes.. Devils are morons. The signed 40 goal scorer in his prime.

****ing idiots.

Now lets get back to Leighton.

Kaktus* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:55 PM
  #191
FlyerEra2010
Registered User
 
FlyerEra2010's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Lakeville, MN
Country: United States
Posts: 927
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jester View Post
...2-4-6 in 5 games doesn't strike me as "sucking." He was also about an inch from scoring what would have been the goal of the playoffs as far as I'm concerned. Now, he certainly had moments where he was trying way too hard and becoming a detriment to his team by not playing with his teammates, but I'm not sure "sucked" is fair.
Empty netter and a 5 on 3 goal. He certainly underachieved.

FlyerEra2010 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:57 PM
  #192
Jester
Registered User
 
Jester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: St. Andrews
Country: Scotland
Posts: 34,075
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaktus View Post
Yes.. Devils are morons. The signed 40 goal scorer in his prime.

****ing idiots.

Now lets get back to Leighton.
...and has won a grand total of 1 playoff game in his entire career.

The reality is the list of players I think are worth that much coin can be counted on one hand, and Kovy ain't one of 'em.

Jester is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:59 PM
  #193
dbr2
Lockout Beard
 
dbr2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 9,340
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to dbr2
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyerEra2010 View Post
Empty netter and a 5 on 3 goal. He certainly underachieved.
Exactly.

dbr2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 03:59 PM
  #194
Jester
Registered User
 
Jester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: St. Andrews
Country: Scotland
Posts: 34,075
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyerEra2010 View Post
Empty netter and a 5 on 3 goal. He certainly underachieved.
It's 5 games. It happens that the puck just won't go in for you.

Boucher also had a couple of completely wing-and-a-prayer saves on him. It isn't like he wasn't creating chances, and he did create some offense. I mean, would you have preferred if he hadn't cashed in that 5-on-3?

Jester is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 04:01 PM
  #195
Kaktus*
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: PA
Posts: 22,389
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jester View Post
...and has won a grand total of 1 playoff game in his entire career.
He is still almost a PPG payer in playoffs. 27 year old scorer can't improve, can he.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jester View Post
The reality is the list of players I think are worth that much coin can be counted on one hand, and Kovy ain't one of 'em.
Lets all listen to Jester. **** what Lou does. Shut the **** up.

Go ahead Jester. You were saying? I am all ears.

Kaktus* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 04:08 PM
  #196
Jester
Registered User
 
Jester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: St. Andrews
Country: Scotland
Posts: 34,075
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaktus View Post
He is still almost a PPG payer in playoffs. 27 year old scorer can't improve, can he.
FACT: as an offensive player, Kovalchuk is as good as he's ever going to be... and quite likely already in his production decline. It's a young man's game.

Quote:
Lets all listen to Jester. **** what Lou does. Shut the **** up.

Go ahead Jester. You were saying? I am all ears.
Lets be clear. The transition to the salary cap era has destroyed the majority of Lou's mystique. He has not been a very good GM with the whole contract decision thing.

So, yeah, **** what Lou does cuz he's kind of proven himself to be a GM that makes poor decisions in who he signs since the lockout.

Like, 10.25M to Rolston over the last two years for 69 points. Or the idiotic signing of Mogilny, which they only got out of because of a simply bizarre ruling by the NHL. Creating a defense with zero offensive punch. Dainus Zubrus to replace Scott Gomez.

Jester is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 04:09 PM
  #197
dbr2
Lockout Beard
 
dbr2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 9,340
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to dbr2
Now that this circus is coming to a close, thank God.

Do the Flyers start to make a run at Bobby Ryan?

dbr2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 04:13 PM
  #198
decadentia
Registered User
 
decadentia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New Brunswick
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,547
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbr2 View Post
Now that this circus is coming to a close, thank God.

Do the Flyers start to make a run at Bobby Ryan?
We seem to be gunning for everyone available this offseason, so...sure why not..lets revisit it

decadentia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 04:14 PM
  #199
dbr2
Lockout Beard
 
dbr2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 9,340
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to dbr2
Quote:
Originally Posted by decadentia View Post
We seem to be gunning for everyone available this offseason, so...sure why not..lets revisit it
It's an interesting topic.

I have not been following it all that closely. Has Ryan come out and said he doesn't want to be a Duck next year? I'd love to have him here.

dbr2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2010, 04:16 PM
  #200
mm6492
Registered User
 
mm6492's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 8,518
vCash: 500
Its a good contract for them. It takes him through his prime years, and is only 6 years long. The salary is high, but its what he was gonna get. If we could find way to dump Briere.....I would have been interested

mm6492 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:24 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.