I think we are reaching the stage where it is not just a question of finding 23 guys for the roster. With the longterm contracts to 4 of the top 6, it is time to upgrade the others even if it means losing some guys along the way. It has been a while since we had so many prospects both in the system and drafted for the forward position. Room will need to be made for them to get a chance, and that means anyone who can't fill the role he must play, needs to go for somebody who can.
If you a want a Bobby Ryan because you lack an NHL ready one in the system, pay the price now and go get him. Anaheim has capspace, but needs to rebuild their line-up. Overpay them and get the guy you want and need.
I really dont know why , no one considers andrei kostitsyn as an power foward.
Let compare him with a the really appreciated Dustin Brown .
The two have similiar sizes ( 6p1 205 lbs) , they were drafted same year , the only difference is the game played by Brown and his hits. Otherwise , the average goals by game is pretty close , cause Kostisyn in only 3 years he was a proven 20-30 goals scorer. Brown in 5 years , is in this range and only broke the 60 points once , its also smart to considers that he played most of his career with an all-star center ( Kopitar).
So , i considers we got three potential power-foward and that Andrei can be a great power winger if i play with good players.
Yeah but you left out that Brown really really loves to play hockey and wants the puck every time he is on the ice.....where Andrei, well...he tries...
I'm tired of trying so hard to acquire established players from other teams and overpaying. I hope management just ****ing drafts our own guys. I understand seeking complimentary players, but we're seeking players to build around, it's sad.
I'm tired of trying so hard to acquire established players from other teams and overpaying. I hope management just ****ing drafts our own guys. I understand seeking complimentary players, but we're seeking players to build around, it's sad.
I'm tired of trying so hard to acquire established players from other teams and overpaying. I hope management just ****ing drafts our own guys. I understand seeking complimentary players, but we're seeking players to build around, it's sad.
Agreed. Thing is I really don't think we've tried that hard to pick-off a power forward, in the first round anyway. I know we tend to draft in the middle of the pack, so any guy that really looks like a power forward is gone by then. Turner Stevenson was taken at 12th one year, which is fairly high, but he was slow and had hands of stone . He was big, would hit and fight, ideal for bottom 6. Terry Ryan,taken 8th I think, after Shane Doan who I was hoping we'd get was big, tough, scored 50 in junior, but couldn't skate so he never made it. I don't know if we took Chipchura or Jason Ward (11th or 12th) as possible power forwards but even if we did, that's only a handful of guys over the last 20 years or so. Of course, we take BPP and in any given year that could be a Dman, finesse forward etc. Still, you'd think in 20 years we could draft a big, tough forward who would hit and score 30 goals.
I dont want Max to start the season in montreal, he needs more time in the AHL. Max is a powerforward, but is not the solution right now. Nolan would be nice..
Well, I lost faith in pacio.......This guy is a bust. (yes I know he's 21y/o).He don't have the skillz to be a top 6 in the nhl imo. A real powerfoward must be able to puck 20-30g in a season and play on the top 6. At BEST pacman will be grinder on the 3rd line.
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The less expensive must be Chris Stewart from Colorado, we had a chance to draft him but I don't think he was on the Habs list.
Not sure about that.Avs have 3 good center ( duchene, statsny and ROR), they need winger. Steward is just awesome.....look at his stats :
cool. Bro I don't blame timmins on this one .I think it's was a great pick at the time , but he just didn't devellop well....(maybe he should have stayed longer in ncaa ? ) He was projected like a top 6 powerfoward , and now if he only can be a solid 3rd liner , habs will be more than happy.......this guy mith end up a ahler.
Well, I lost faith in pacio.......This guy is a bust. (yes I know he's 21y/o).He don't have the skillz to be a top 6 in the nhl imo. A real powerfoward must be able to puck 20-30g in a season and play on the top 6. At BEST pacman will be grinder on the 3rd line.
take a pill - this kid deserves a chance to develop. He will be a great NHL-er for some team, hopefully the habs! I say the same thing each time one of you give up on a youngster: luckily Habs management doesn't have such a lack of patience...
Agreed. Thing is I really don't think we've tried that hard to pick-off a power forward, in the first round anyway. I know we tend to draft in the middle of the pack, so any guy that really looks like a power forward is gone by then. Turner Stevenson was taken at 12th one year, which is fairly high, but he was slow and had hands of stone . He was big, would hit and fight, ideal for bottom 6. Terry Ryan,taken 8th I think, after Shane Doan who I was hoping we'd get was big, tough, scored 50 in junior, but couldn't skate so he never made it. I don't know if we took Chipchura or Jason Ward (11th or 12th) as possible power forwards but even if we did, that's only a handful of guys over the last 20 years or so. Of course, we take BPP and in any given year that could be a Dman, finesse forward etc. Still, you'd think in 20 years we could draft a big, tough forward who would hit and score 30 goals.
Yah, I don't know about drafting a guy who scores 30 so easily, but I'd def like if they didn't always draft BPA. Yes, it's a very good philosophy and I agree with it but i suppose that if we were say 18th pick, and they have a guy ranked top of their list as a power forward ranked 15th...if he gets taken, yes, we draft the next BPA, but why? Pay and move up and get what you NEED, he's still the BPA, but just at a higher pick. It's about quality over quantity. I like what they did at this draft, they saw a guy they liked and went for it. Sometimes, you have to do that.
take a pill - this kid deserves a chance to develop. He will be a great NHL-er for some team, hopefully the habs! I say the same thing each time one of you give up on a youngster: luckily Habs management doesn't have such a lack of patience...
I wish him all the best and I would be happy if he become a great player for the habs. But to project him as a top 6 powerfoward it just can't be realistic. As a 3rd liner we can be great tho.
This situation remind me a littble bit when people werw expecting Higgins to be our new top 6 powerfoward hybrid.
take a pill - this kid deserves a chance to develop. He will be a great NHL-er for some team, hopefully the habs! I say the same thing each time one of you give up on a youngster: luckily Habs management doesn't have such a lack of patience...
I wouldn't say he's a bust or anything but pacioretty will be a 3rd liner. He doesn't have enough scoring touch and his playmaking is his strong suit, he's just not a super playmaker though. He's not a physical beast either. I like pacioretty, but he'll be a 3rd liner. He just doesn't have enough offense to make top 2 lines.
I wouldn't say he's a bust or anything but pacioretty will be a 3rd liner. He doesn't have enough scoring touch and his playmaking is his strong suit, he's just not a super playmaker though. He's not a physical beast either. I like pacioretty, but he'll be a 3rd liner. He just doesn't have enough offense to make top 2 lines.
He probably will become a 3rd liner but i think if he refines his game in the AHL for a year he can became a 20 goal 50 point powerforward
Two from Chicago come to mind Brouwer from Chicago is cheap and pretty effective in his role while being able to put the puck in the net also. Jack Skille has not really been tested at the NHL level due to salary cap issues. The same thing happened to Ryan and you know how that has turned out so far. Not to mention Skille is a gifted skater, however I'm not quite sure he is big enough to fully fulfil this role.
He just recently showed he's any good. Before that, him and his brother were considered busts.
As a far of the Montréal Canadiens, I am not familiar with this term "Power Forward", as we haven't have one in almost 20 years.
He had some nice stats on the OHL and took 2 years in the AHL, not too bad. I know it was 2006 and we "had" to draft a D, but 4 years later, we are still looking for a big forward ...
I didn't know he had a brother, what's his first name? Thanks for that info.
He had some nice stats on the OHL and took 2 years in the AHL, not too bad. I know it was 2006 and we "had" to draft a D, but 4 years later, we are still looking for a big forward ...
I didn't know he had a brother, what's his first name? Thanks for that info.
To dump Hammer, money would come back in contract, or you'd have you give up something nice.
Then you buy him out. Assuming Price gets 2.5/year, Lapierre gets 1/year and whatever defenseman we sign or call up to replace Hamrlik gets around 1/year as well, we'd still have about 4.8 million (incl. bonuses) in cap space to add a forward (22 man roster). Without counting bonuses we still have about 4.4.
Send him a 5 year contract that pays him 4.2/year (7,5,3,3,3). Even if Dallas does dump Ribeiro, they still wouldn't have the cash to pay Neal 7 million next season (their internal cap is 45 million). And all we give up is a first and a third, it's easily worth it.
