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07-04-2010, 10:19 PM
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I think Kovalchuk is actually in a tough position right now. I think he really wants to stay in the NHL and play for an up and coming team, but at the same time he wants to get what he's worth, and do what's best for his family financially speaking.

It's a BIG decision career wise.

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You're not accounting for the fact that if we have Kovy's $8 mil plus cap hit on the books, that's basically the space necessary to keep two Jack Johnson-quality players on the roster.
We HAVE the space now. We keep Doughty over Johnson. Simple.

1 Kovy or 2 Jack's?

1 Kovy is my answer. We have a great D pipeline in place.

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We HAVE the space now. We keep Doughty over Johnson. Simple.

1 Kovy or 2 Jack's?

1 Kovy is my answer. We have a great D pipeline in place.
Your logic is so backwards......

Btw time for a new thread!!!

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Fans, and DL, ask yourself this....
What makes the Kings a better team and organization?

A - Jack Johnson

or

B - Ilya Kovalchuk and a 1st round pick

If we can't re-sign Jack, so be it...I am sure we can get a 1st, and maybe even a prospect for him. He has been stocking up these ****ing picks for EXACTLY this reason. JMFJ is quite replaceable with the near NHL-ready prospects we already have.

THIS is what teams at the top of the league do.

It really is THAT simple.
The top teams in the league build a solid D 1st which is what DL is trying to do. Trading JJ opens a huge hole...

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07-04-2010, 10:32 PM
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Your logic is so backwards......

Btw time for a new thread!!!
Agreed, Kovy is NOT worth 10 Mil per season . . .

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The top teams in the league build a solid D 1st which is what DL is trying to do. Trading JJ opens a huge hole...
Trading JJ after next year if there isn't money for an extension (I am not even sold on this point that there is no money nexy year.).

Next year, we should have 3 guys who will be ready.

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I figured this would be the excuse.

It bugs me a little bit. This will always be a viable excuse for DL.

It is OK to trade your young assets occasionally to be a contender every year. Chicago did a masterful job of re-stocking their talent pool trading Steeg and Buff. They WILL still be a contender next year...despite trading players they didn't want to to get under the cap.

Whatever.

Kovy isn't signed yet, but we are going to end up trading young assets anyways for equivalent guys we could have picked up in FA for free.
They might have done a masterful job of restocking their talent pool, but they are still on trouble in the long run because of some of the contracts they have given out.

They currently have 14 NHL players under contract for this season, with a little over 3 million in cap space left. They still have to find the money to sign Niemi and Hjalmarsson. Figure if you demote Huet to the minor leagues that gives them little over 8 million now for 8 NHL players. Depending on how much Niemi and Hjalmarsson get you're running very very short on cap space. Which means you're gonna be playing with a lot of players that have small contracts and or rookies.

Then if you're looking down the line they still have to get Troy Brouwer and Brent Seabrook under contract after next season. Considering what people are getting Seabrook is probably getting at least in the 5-6 million dollar range. That takes care of another good chunk of cash.

They aren't going to be as good as they were last year. They just aren't going to be. If John Scott is going to be an every day defenseman then it's not going to be good. They're losing a lot of talent from that team and they haven't added anything. Losing Buff, Versteeg, Madden isn't going to be easy. They're basically going to hope that cheaper guys can provide offense and defense.

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If anything, this sure is entertaining. If Kovy had signed on day 1, what would we be talking about right now?
We would be talking about what a stellar team we would have and how we have a real shot at the cup.

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Your logic is so backwards......

Btw time for a new thread!!!
I don't see how keeping Johnson after next year, is worth more than having Kovy and a 1st....

maybe it is flawed. Who knows...I just know that if I were offered Kovy and a 1st for Johnson...it is accepted instantly, and it is exactly what we are turning down right now.

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We HAVE the space now. We keep Doughty over Johnson. Simple.
OK... time to leave fantasyland and come back to realityville.

While the Kings have cap space, if Kovalchuk is asking for $100MM... then they don't have that much cap space without taking on a 12-14 year contract to get the cap hit down to a number where they can afford to keep Doughty... much less Johnson.

Who here wants Kovalchuk on a 13+ year contract? Sweet Jesus.

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Trading JJ after next year if there isn't money for an extension (I am not even sold on this point that there is no money nexy year.).

Next year, we should have 3 guys who will be ready.
LA still needs JJ because no one in the system brings his game and it would be foolish to rely on kids to fill his role that early into their career.

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I don't see how keeping Johnson after next year, is worth more than having Kovy and a 1st....

maybe it is flawed. Who knows...I just know that if I were offered Kovy and a 1st for Johnson...it is accepted instantly, and it is exactly what we are turning down right now.
Except without Kovi we have 10MILLION more in cap space. Lets say you give Jack 4, that leave 6 MILLION to do whatever. Would you take Kovi+ 1st over Jack + Carter?? Your looking at it with a 5 year old narrow minded view, just cause you didn't get this toy doesn't mean you wont be happy or even happier with other toys.

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I don't see how keeping Johnson after next year, is worth more than having Kovy and a 1st....

maybe it is flawed. Who knows...I just know that if I were offered Kovy and a 1st for Johnson...it is accepted instantly, and it is exactly what we are turning down right now.
I wouldn't take a cup if it took trading 7 guys from that team immediately after winning it. It's not worth it. Get the core locked down and in place and then let the pieces fall. Dean wants this but he's not going to stretch himself thin especially when Johnson and Doughty are the next two big pieces we have to sign.

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Debating over the merits of signing Kovy are pointless now. What do the Kings do assuming Kovy is no longer an option?

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To give Kovalchuk 100 million dollars at any contract length is unbridled insanity. It's not necessarily having him vs. Jack, but a lot of things league-wide could happen over the length of that contract and the Kings could find themselves screwed because of it.

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To give Kovalchuk 100 million dollars at any contract length is unbridled insanity. It's not necessarily having him vs. Jack, but a lot of things league-wide could happen over the length of that contract and the Kings could find themselves screwed because of it.
But Dean was going to give Hossa a 12 year deal and he is 3 years older than Kovalchuk. If Kovalchuk gets injurered, you can go over the cap by as much as his cap hit.

It's a huge risk, but I don't see a big difference between Kovy at 15 years and Hossa at 12 years. Both have huge risks.

Of course, the Kovalchuk camp may not want to go over 10 years and that is only a contract that Wang and the KHL can accept.

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Actually, even the KHL wouldn't offer $100 million. They usually only offer short term deals.

So, Kovalchuk should enjoy playing for the Islanders.

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Hossa, Franzen, Zetterberg, Ovy, Lecavalier...

Players that are signed to crazy contracts that have won Cups, or routinely win playoff rounds.

I'm just saying sometimes you have to take a leap. You can't JUST rely on roster progression. Those players do progress, but so do their contracts.

The window is so small now. I feel like we are losing a chance here.

There is absloutely ZERO guarantee that Doughty doesn't walk in 5 years, and it is no coincidence that is why he wants a 5 year deal...our other core players leave even sooner.

Frugality is only going to get you so far.

If we continue to rely on roster progression, and don't truly try to improve our team....why will these guys want to stay???

The new CBA pretty much prevents dynasties. These guys walk at age 25...and we are wasting time.

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Well, no one is "officially" out until he signs. He hasn't signed yet. All 30 teams are still "in it".

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