I hate arbitration. The same system that awarded Zherdev such a terrible salary that not only did the Rangers walk away from it, but the rest of the league laughed him out of the NHL.
IMO- Girardi should get between 2.7-3.1 million a year. I am not so sure I would want to commit that long to him (4 years) either, but wouldn't necessarily be upset if they did.
Oh BTW, you can't use recently signed UFAs as comparisons in the arbitriation hearing. Or at least that is what I remember from Zherdev's hearing last year.
i see everyone putting danny boy in the 3 per year range and i just dont understand why. he is a #4 d man and to me is worth about 2.25 mil a year, and considering the way Sather has handled RFA he is prob looking at 2 mil per year.
i see everyone putting danny boy in the 3 per year range and i just dont understand why. he is a #4 d man and to me is worth about 2.25 mil a year, and considering the way Sather has handled RFA he is prob looking at 2 mil per year.
Number four to who? Staal, obviously. Rozsival, arguable. Redden? your outta your mind. Gilroy, you mean the guy riding the pine at the end of the year? MDZ? the defensive liability (as a rookie that is totally understandable) I could see a top 3 argument but i do not see him below redden, mdz, or gilroy on the list
Number four to who? Staal, obviously. Rozsival, arguable. Redden? your outta your mind. Gilroy, you mean the guy riding the pine at the end of the year? MDZ? the defensive liability (as a rookie that is totally understandable) I could see a top 3 argument but i do not see him below redden, mdz, or gilroy on the list
#4 on a quality defense, i dont mean on THIS defense.
smart UFA signings and getting players locked up to cap eficient long term contracts, and convenient ELC inductions into the lineup are the ways to win championships.
Which is exactly why I made that thread about having a separate Cap for RFA/drafted/developed/promoted players.
Dan Girardi was an un-drafted free agent.
The Rangers developed him, he made his NHL debut with the Rangers, and now entering his prime years (the payoff years) the Rangers should be able to keep the player they invested years, thousands of man hours, millions of dollars developing. Now he's entering his prime, his best years as a player, and the Rangers should NOT be punished for keeping him.
Its absolutely ridiculous that this is the way the system works.
The league says "thanks for developing this fine player, now give him up to the highest bidder or suffer the consequences"
And it has also given player FAR too much negotiating power. Which is what caused the friggen lockout to begin with.
Dan Girardi filed for salary arbitration yesterday, but the Rangers have every intention of signing the Group II free-agent defenseman to a multi-year contract.
Negotiations are likely to yield a four-year deal worth between $3.25-$3.5 million per season. If, however, an agreement can not be reached and Girardi goes through with the arbitration hearing, he would become eligible for unrestricted free agency next summer.
#4 on a quality defense, i dont mean on THIS defense.
What top 4 or #4 D-man do you see making less then $3 million that is one year away from UFA status? If he signs a multi-year contract (Like the reported 4 years in the post article) it will take him to age 30 and eat up 3 years of UFA status. You have to pay for that.
I mean look at what some of the UFA D-men got this summer:
Z. Michalek (A #3 D-man imo / 27 years old ): $4.0/year
Paul Martin (A #2-3 D-man / 29 years old): $5.0/year
Anton Volchenkov (A #3 D-man / 28 years old): $4.25/year
Henrik Tallinder (A #3-4 D-man / 31 years old / Who I think Girardi is better then): $3.4/year
I would love for Girardi to sign a deal like Gleason did (4 years $11 million total), but I think that was signed two years ago and it only ate up two years of UFA status.
If for some reason the Rangers and Girardi cannot agree on a multi-year contract and it goes to arbitration he will only get a one year contract. If the Rangers can't come to an agreement over the coarse of the season, he could get over $3.25 probably closer to $4 million a year.
What top 4 or #4 D-man do you see making less then $3 million that is one year away from UFA status? If he signs a multi-year contract (Like the reported 4 years in the post article) it will take him to age 30 and eat up 3 years of UFA status. You have to pay for that.
I mean look at what some of the UFA D-men got this summer:
Z. Michalek (A #3 D-man imo / 27 years old ): $4.0/year
Paul Martin (A #2-3 D-man / 29 years old): $5.0/year
Anton Volchenkov (A #3 D-man / 28 years old): $4.25/year
Henrik Tallinder (A #3-4 D-man / 31 years old / Who I think Girardi is better then): $3.4/year
I would love for Girardi to sign a deal like Gleason did (4 years $11 million total), but I think that was signed two years ago and it only ate up two years of UFA status.
If for some reason the Rangers and Girardi cannot agree on a multi-year contract and it goes to arbitration he will only get a one year contract. If the Rangers can't come to an agreement over the coarse of the season, he could get over $3.25 probably closer to $4 million a year.
thats the issue, i dont think dan is worth that commitment over multiple years bc quite honestly he has peaked, and his peak is a limited ceiling and inconsistent. there really does not appear to be any upside beyond what we have seen for the past 2-3 years, and too me i dont think he is a 3 mil a year d man.
and you really think he could get 4 mil as a UFA next year? i think that is wayyy off. he has limited offensive ability which we have seen over the years, and he is a good but not terrific defensive defenseman. he benefits allot from being paired with staal, and often struggles when he is not paired with him. to me, a 4 mil a year defensmen is one that can make HIS partners better. ive just never seen dan as that kind of d man.
also out of the d men you listed dan doesnt hold a candle to any of them except tallinder who i think was grossly overpaid. volchenkov is what girardi would like to be, martin has an offensive side to his game that he adds, and i GREATLY disagree with you about michalek as a #3 d man. he is one of the must under rated defenseman in the league bc of where he plays and exposure. if you saw them play side by side you would take michalek ANY day and would absolutely not label him as a #3 guy.
4 years at $3.5 mil for Girardi would be as brutal as the Kotalik and Boogard deals. he is in no way shape or form worth that money let alone that many years. I would like to get him for 2 years, three at max to about $2.5 to $2.75. Or even one year at that much and let him walk, or trade him for assets next year. BTW he would maybe max out at $3.5 as a UFA, and that will be only if somebody strikes out on better players and are desparate.
we already have Staal, and MDZ (who will easily be much better than Girardi w/in two years), then I will take a bet that at least one of MCD, Mcilrath, or Valentenko will be better than him in 2 years. Not to mention we also have guys like Kundratek, Sauer, Gilroy, Pashnin, or Maggio who should all be at least bottom pairing dmen.
And that is without including and UFA signings or trades for better players who might become available. bottom line is there should be no room for an inconsistent player like Girardi on this team within the next 4 years. We will have cheaper and better alternatives, and we are already resigning ourselves to not really contending for the next 2 years realistically, so why waste cap space on him for 4 years, and roster spots. Sign him for 2 or three years, then trade him in the last year for picks.
A penny over $2.5 mil and I would absolutely let him walk. Girardi's game the last two seasons has been a disappointment. On a team with a good defense, he would be a 3rd pairing D-man.
$3.25-3.5 mil for Girardi? Laughable. I smell another Zherdev debacle from the highly incompetent arbitration team, where no NHL team wants to give Girardi the salary the arbitration dumbasses consider "fair".
A penny over $2.5 mil and I would absolutely let him walk. Girardi's game the last two seasons has been a disappointment. On a team with a good defense, he would be a 3rd pairing D-man.
$3.25-3.5 mil for Girardi? Laughable.
Which part don't you like? That he's our most physical defender that lead the team in hits for blueliners for the last two seasons? His age? 26 years old too old for you now? I'm not sure why he isn't worth it. If Gilroy got 2 mil from the Rangers before playing one NHL game as a Dman why wouldn't Girardi deserve 3 million?
Which part don't you like? That he's our most physical defender that lead the team in hits for blueliners for the last two seasons? His age? 26 years old too old for you now? I'm not sure why he isn't worth it. If Gilroy got 2 mil from the Rangers before playing one NHL game as a Dman why wouldn't Girardi deserve 3 million?
What I don't like about Girardi? Let's see... his ability to go into cold streaks that literally last for seasons (and still hasn't stopped), his screwups in his own zone and his lack of positioning. His outlet pass is mediocre and his skating is nothing to write home about. He can't play big minutes, as his flaws in his game are bound to be exposed. He got schooled last season by opposing forwards so many times, that I lost count.
He has regressed since his first season and I don't know why that should be worth that much money. On any team with a defense worth its name, he's a bottom pairing D-man and should be paid accordingly. On some teams, he wouldn't even make the squad. When Girardi enters his prime, is more experienced and has worked on his skating and passing, sure, I'll happily hand him his $3.5m. But now? Exactly what has he done to earn that amount of money?
Apparently, pretty much everyone has to be overpaid to play here. Great franchise culture you got going there, Sather.
Which part don't you like? That he's our most physical defender that lead the team in hits for blueliners for the last two seasons? His age? 26 years old too old for you now? I'm not sure why he isn't worth it. If Gilroy got 2 mil from the Rangers before playing one NHL game as a Dman why wouldn't Girardi deserve 3 million?
I don't think anybody would defend Gilroy's cap hit. But Gilroy was a UFA so we had to outbid other teams. that is why he got so much.
he is by no means our most physical defender. Staal is. I don't care if he lead the team in hits. he is a pansy in front of the net. Doesn't move anybody. He also consistently got schooled one on one for his entire career. His passing has diminished, and he has a really weak shot.
It's not his fault that our other dmen outside of Staal, and Rosy are incompetent defensively. But this should by no means equal us paying an absurd price for him, especially as a RFA.
Which is exactly why I made that thread about having a separate Cap for RFA/drafted/developed/promoted players.
Dan Girardi was an un-drafted free agent.
The Rangers developed him, he made his NHL debut with the Rangers, and now entering his prime years (the payoff years) the Rangers should be able to keep the player they invested years, thousands of man hours, millions of dollars developing. Now he's entering his prime, his best years as a player, and the Rangers should NOT be punished for keeping him.
Its absolutely ridiculous that this is the way the system works.
The league says "thanks for developing this fine player, now give him up to the highest bidder or suffer the consequences"
And it has also given player FAR too much negotiating power. Which is what caused the friggen lockout to begin with.
It sucks for the Rangers, but you're not giving Dan Girardi ANY credit for becoming the player he's become.
Which part don't you like? That he's our most physical defender that lead the team in hits for blueliners for the last two seasons? His age? 26 years old too old for you now? I'm not sure why he isn't worth it. If Gilroy got 2 mil from the Rangers before playing one NHL game as a Dman why wouldn't Girardi deserve 3 million?
One bad contract doesn't justify another. Girardi, IMO, isn't worth a penny over $3M a season. Yes, he's a top-4 defenseman on our team, but that's not saying much at this point.
Jeff Schultz today avoided arbitration with the Capitals signing a 4yr/11mil contract. This should lay the framework for a very similar deal for Girardi I would think. They had very similar #'s this year other than +/-.
Jeff Schultz today avoided arbitration with the Capitals signing a 4yr/11mil contract. This should lay the framework for a very similar deal for Girardi I would think. They had very similar #'s this year other than +/-.
Jeff Schultz today avoided arbitration with the Capitals signing a 4yr/11mil contract. This should lay the framework for a very similar deal for Girardi I would think. They had very similar #'s this year other than +/-.
A penny over $2.5 mil and I would absolutely let him walk. Girardi's game the last two seasons has been a disappointment. On a team with a good defense, he would be a 3rd pairing D-man.
$3.25-3.5 mil for Girardi? Laughable. I smell another Zherdev debacle from the highly incompetent arbitration team, where no NHL team wants to give Girardi the salary the arbitration dumbasses consider "fair".
Who are you replacing Girardi with that can play 20 minutes a night for less than 3 mil?
