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07-06-2010, 08:08 PM
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-My only question about the first line is a puck winner, Janney's your passer, Swift can pass/shoot, and Tardif is the shooter. Not a lot of grit or a guy willing to work down low in the corners.
Tardif isn't exactly soft. Looks like he was decently gritty, but that side of the game was sacrificed for offense in his WHA days. He fought Keith Magnusson, Gerry Unger, Bobby Orr, Brad Park, Barclay Plager, Bill Fairbairn, etc. He had PIMs as high as 133. I only found one explicit mention of his work in the corners (Mar. 2, 1972 Montreal Gazette), but him and Swift (the limited info suggests a bit of a agression) can play at least semi-tough


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I see, he asked Chicago for a $500 raise, and they traded him to Montreal, who already had Durnan. Did he dominate the AHL?
He was only an AHL 1st team all-star once, so probably not.

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Lumley was an 18 year old rookie in 44-45, playing 37 games vs. Karakas' 48 games.
He was the only drafted guy I could mention (I don't know if the name ban is still in effect. I assume because of the AAA draft it is). Lumley did have twice the wins Karakas had (as did Toronto's goalie; who also had as many SOs as Karakas). But you are obviously right in that it was weak competition

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Tardif isn't exactly soft. Looks like he was decently gritty, but that side of the game was sacrificed for offense in his WHA days. He fought Keith Magnusson, Gerry Unger, Bobby Orr, Brad Park, Barclay Plager, Bill Fairbairn, etc. He had PIMs as high as 133. I only found one explicit mention of his work in the corners (Mar. 2, 1972 Montreal Gazette), but him and Swift (the limited info suggests a bit of a agression) can play at least semi-tough
I somewhat take back what I said. That's passable for a first line.

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Just a suggestion for next time - you might want to edit down the quoted text and bold the most relevant sections in your profiles. I'm just skimming through them (as I'm sure most GMs do with long profiles), so it's possible that I would miss something important.

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-Lacroix was a superstar in the WHA, and his play against the Soviets showed that maybe he really was that good. But he didn't play his prime years in the NHL, which is why he's relegated to being one of the better playmakers in the MLD. You surrounded him with grit on both sides. MacLean was a physical beast and there are indications that Scanlan had a gritty game as well. Are they talented enough, though? MacLean stats make him look like a gritty PP specialist (no top 10s in overall points, assists, or goals). I can buy him as the third most talented member of a scoring line, but is Scanlan good enough to be the 2nd most talented member?
Scanlan "carried" the Shamrock Line with Art Farrell(11th round MLD selection) and Harry Trihey(22nd round ATD) according to Conn Smythe. He's not expected to carry it, but MacLean can work the front of the net and in the corners while Lacroix does the passing. Scalan was said to have a good shot according to two of my sources.

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Fred Scanlan formed one of the great forward lines of the era, and was inducted into the HHOF because of his great shot, endurance, and remarkable play on that line.

...known to play an entire game without substitution or loss of effectiveness.
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Frank J. Selke, a member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, once said of Scanlan: "He was the workhorse of the great Shamrock forward line, always ready for his share in the new-style combination attacks, combining heady play with an accurate shot."

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-Gallant is your prototypical MLD glue guy who can chip in goals, and he was a 2nd Team AS once (rare in the MLD). Ronning was a very good, very fast two-way player. I have concerns as to whether a player who only scored more than a point per game once (in the weird 92-93 season) is good enough to carry the offense on a MLD scoring line. Not sure what to think of Trojak - he seems to have spent most of his career as the 2nd best player in his country, but he was well behind the best (Malecek and then a young Zabrodsky, both of whom were described as "carrying" the team). Lots of grit and character; I would love him as a 4th liner in this.
Trojak is going to have the role of strictly being a hard forechecker and guy that wins the corners. Not a great 2nd line, but I think Gallant's ability to crash the net, Ronning's passing, and Trojak's puck winning abilities should make for a productive line.

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-I'm a big fan of your 3rd line. Dahlstrom and Grosso are great players for a two-way third line. Both bring some clutch play with them too. I was coveting Dahlstrom for our planned two-way 4th line, but that was greedy. Don Lever is sort of a jack-of-all-trades and compliments them well. This line may have trouble against more physical lines, as while all 3 players are hard workers, I don't think any of them were particularly big (correct me if I'm wrong).
Lever was 5'11", Grosso 5'11", and Dahlstrom 5'10" so none of them have real size, but weren't small but weren't big for their times. We are comfortable having this line out against any other line another team puts out.
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-Lots of grit and solid defensive play on the 4th line. Nobody that special offensively, but all of them can chip in.
This is sort of a second shutdown line/energy line. This line can bang bodies and forecheck when necessary, but can play a defensive role as all were noted for being two-way players.

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-I think your top 4 defensemen are the strength of your team. Marotte and Roberts were guys who were good at everything, great at nothing. Good MLD first pair. I'm honestly not sure why we didn't take Gordie Roberts when he kept falling.
This is what we were going for, a good two-way pairing that can handle its own end while being able to handle offense.

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-Your second pairing will be hell to play against. Two mean defensemen. Manson sometimes got out of position looking for the big hit, but man did he destroy people when he got them. He also had a hard, but inaccurate shot from the point.
While Manson can admittedly be reckless at times, we think that'll be mostly covered by Milbury's prowess in front of the net and great positioning.

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-Bob Rouse was a solid defensive defenseman for most of his career, but nothing special. Not sure if I would pick him in the MLD. I saw the end of his career and remember him as the rock steady #5 defenseman every team would want. But I'd have to think that you could have found someone more talented. Doughty? He's had one significant season in his career. I wouldn't have drafted him. On the bright side, with the quality of your top 4 (likely among the best in the MLD), your bottom pair won't play much.
Bob should be able to cover for Drew when he has some possible lapses as a youngster, and this pairing won't be out all that much but we're not going to be rotating 4 defensemen. They'll get some time.

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Goaltending and coaching
-Am I the only one unimpressed by Mike Karakas? EB actually had him as Terry Sawchuk's backup for his ATD12 championship team, and you picked him in the first round, so obviously some people really like him.

I see a guy with one great regular season (winning the Calder and 2nd in GAA in 35-36; effectively third in All Star voting for goalies that year), a couple more good regular seasons,. an absolutely amazing playoff run - the 1938 playoffs, as the 14-25-9 (no typo) Blackhawks went on to win the Stanley Cup.

But his career after these 3 seasons really isn't that impressive. He has a losing record as a goaltender. Is it because he played on terrible teams his whole career? The thing that concerns me the most is that he was demoted to the AHL in what should have been the prime of his career and only got a chance to play again because of World War 2. He did get a 2nd Team All Star in 44-45, but this was at the height of World War 2. Who did he beat out?

Don't get me wrong, Karakas is more than good enough to start in the MLD. I'm just not sure that he's much better than average or worth a first round pick (or worth being a backup in the main draft, as EB used him on an otherwise outstanding team). I see him as pretty average in the regular season, but able to come through clutch in the playoffs.

-Turco is an okay backup, though I'd prefer someone more consistent. At least he won't have to play in the playoffs, as that is where Karakas is at his best.
The Chicago teams that he played in front of were mostly terrible. As teammate Cully Dahlstrom said when they won the Stanley Cup against Toronto in 37-38, the Stanley Cup wasn't even there because the league really didn't think that the Blackhawks would win. He's also very durable, playing in all 48 games in every one of his 6 NHL seasons. While in the AHL he did win a Calder Cup, and after he returned according to Pelletier he basically carried the Blackhawks into the playoffs and was the only reason they weren't in the cellar.

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Karakas returned and showed improved consistency. He played the final 26 games of the 50 game schedule in 1943-44 and his great goalkeeping helped the Blackhawks into the playoffs. He had a 3.04 goals against average and three shutouts in the high-scoring NHL, which was remarkable. In the playoffs he unthinkably led another Cinderella Hawks team into the Stanley Cup finals. But this time the Montreal Canadiens were unbeatable in the playoffs, and though Karakas was good, he wasn't good enough to stop the Habs powerful attack. The Blackhawks were swept in four straight games.
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The next year, Doug Bentley joined his brother Max in the armed forces and only the goalkeeping of Karakas prevented the Hawks from avoiding the cellar. That he recorded a league high 4 shutouts was miraculous, and he was selected for the second all-star team.
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-Jimmy Skinner won a Cup with the post-Ivan Red Wings. I believe he was known for playing an offensive style and for distributing ice time much more equally than Ivan (who gave the Production Line all they could handle). He only coached for 4 seasons in the NHL. I know he did a lot of scouting Europe, but I'm not sure if that means anything here. Seems like a below average coach in this thing, unless he has a resume outside the NHL that I'm not aware of.
No real rebuttal here.

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Special Teams
-MacLean's 3 top 10s in PP goals make him a big asset on the first unit next to the playmaker Lacroix. Gallant also has one top 10 finish in PP goals.

-Forwards on the 2nd unit seem a little weak offensively.

-Good but not great pointmen for the PP.

-PK is solid all-round, not spectacular.
I'm actually going to make a change, I think I'll take Trojak off of the 2nd PP unit and replace him with Don Lever who was supposed to be a good PP guy

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He was useful killing penalties and working the power play
Overall
-I really like your top 4 defensemen. It may be the best Top 4 in the draft (I don't have a frame of reference to compare yet).

-I like your lower 2 lines. Lots of grit and two-way play.

-Lots of grit and character all through your lineup. All 4 wings on your scoring lines are gritty guys.

My main concern:
Will this team score enough to win? Lacroix was a superstar in the WHA and should be good enough against MLD competition to carry a line. But it is concerning that your NHL players (MacLean, Gallant, Ronning) have zero top 10 finishes in overall points, goals, or assists.

Ronning, Gallant, and MacLean(to an extent) played in an era with many prolific scorers. Lemieux, Gretzky, Hull, Robitaille, Jagr, Sakic, Lindros, Yzerman(though Gallant did play with him), Fedorov, and Shanahan just to name a few. All those guys are elite ATD talents, and their top 10 finishes suffered because of this.

I appreciate the critique.

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Ronning, Gallant, and MacLean(to an extent) played in an era with many prolific scorers. Lemieux, Gretzky, Hull, Robitaille, Jagr, Sakic, Lindros, Yzerman(though Gallant did play with him), Fedorov, and Shanahan just to name a few. All those guys are elite ATD talents, and their top 10 finishes suffered because of this.
Not to jump on you, because you've been a great contributor to this thread, but if what you say holds water, then it should follow that these guys have a few top-20 finishes at least.

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Not to jump on you, because you've been a great contributor to this thread, but if what you say holds water, then it should follow that these guys have a few top-20 finishes at least.
Gerard Gallant

1x Top 20 Points (14th)
2x Top 25 Goals (23rd, 19th)
1x Top 25 Assists (22nd)

Paul MacLean

2x Top 25 Goals (20th, 21st) Also has a 26th
1x Top 20 Points (12th)
1x Top 20 Assists (11th)

Cliff Ronning

1x Top 15 Assits (14th)


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Ladies and Gentleman, Allow me to introduce your 2010

ST. MARY’S HUSKIES

COACH-Joel Quenneville
ASSISTANT COACH-Father David Bauer

Gregg Sheppard-Mike Rogers-Bill Goldsworthy (A)
Zach Parise-Andy Blair-Fred Whitcroft
Lorne Henning-Mike Ricci (A)-Leroy Goldsworthy
Danny Grant-Scott Gomez-Dave "The Hammer" Schultz


Kenny Jonsson-Mattias Norstrom (C)
Dave Maloney-Pekka Rautakallio
Gary Galley- Sylvian Lefebvre


Olaf Kolzig
Cam Ward

Spares:Alexei Zhamnov, Tex Evans

PP1: Whitcroft-Rogers-Goldsworthy
Jonsson-Rautakallio

PP2: Grant-Sheppard-Parise
Maloney-Galley

PK1: Ricci-Henning
Lefebvre-Norstrom

PK2: L Goldsworthy-Sheppard
Jonsson-Maloney


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Ladies and Gentleman, Allow me to introduce your 2010

ST. MARY’S HUSKIES

COACH-Joel Quenneville
ASSISTANT COACH-Father David Bauer

Sheppard-Rogers-Goldsworthy (A)
Parise-Blair-Whitcroft
Henning-Ricci (A)-L Goldsworthy
Grant-Gomez-Schultz


Jonsson-Norstrom (C)
Maloney- Rautakallio
Galley-Lefebvre


Kolzig
Ward

Spares: Zhamnov, Tex Evans

PP1: Whitcroft-Rogers-Goldsworthy
Jonsson-Rautakallio

PP2: Grant-Sheppard-Parise
Maloney-Galley

PK1: Ricci-Henning
Lefebvre-Norstrom

PK2: L Goldsworthy-Sheppard
Jonsson-Maloney
It's the MLD. Can you please include use first names?

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It's the MLD. Can you please include use first names?
Haha they should all be common household names....fixed

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GM - LeafsForever13
***** - Dreakmur

Coach - "Bun" Cook

Red Hamill - Marc Savard - Stephane Richer
Al MacAdam [A] - "Doc" Romnes - Art Gagne
Jan Erixon - Brian Rolston - Cecil Blachford [C]
Carl Liscombe - Craig Conroy - Bobby Gould

Hy Buller - John Van Boxmeer
Gord Fraser - Mario Marois [A]
Warren Godfrey - Dale Tallon

Evgeni Nabokov
Earl Robertson

Spares - Jack McIntyre, Bill Flett, and Adrian Aucoin

Power Play #1: Red Hamill-Marc Savard-Stephane Richer-John Van Boxmeer-Brian Rolston
Power Play # 2: Carl Liscombe-Doc Romnes-Art Gagne-Hy Buller-Dale Tallon

Penalty Kill #1: Bruan Rolston-Cecil Blachford-Gord Fraser-Mario Marois
Penalty Kill #2: Jan Erixon-Craig Conroy-Warren Godfrey-Hy Buller
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-Typical MLD scoring line - the playmaker (Savard), goal scorer (Richer), and gritty guy (Hamill). You have two guys with questionable attitudes on one line (Savard and Richer), and that might hurt you. On the bright side, I believe Savard is the 2nd best post-67 regular season point producer in the MLD after Pavel Demitra.* On the down side, he has a questionable playoff record, and definitely provides "negative intangibles" throughout his career.

Maybe it's the Devils fan in me, but I think Richer gets a bum wrap. He was supposed to be the next Guy Lafleur in Montreal, and failed. But you know what? That's why he's not in the main draft. Judge him for what he did, not what he didn't do. He's never been top 10 in points, but he's been top 10 in goals 3 times and just out of the top 10 in points I think. And he's a fantastic playoff performer, when he is put in the right situation.

Richer's issues are totally different from Savard's. Savard at his worst slacked defensively and took lots of lazy penalties, but still produced (at least in the regular season). Richer became a solid defensive player, but his offense dried up when not in the right situation. In NJ, he was great on the same line as Claude Lemieux, useless without. Is Hamill the kind of gritty leader Richer needs on his line to excel?

-Romnes is one of the better 2nd line playmakers in the MLD. Gagne only had 2 significant seaosns in the NHL. How good was he in the western league? Is he a good enough goal scorer to finish off Romnes' passes? MacAdam provides a ton of grit, character, and two-way ability. He won't give you much offense in the regular season (though he certainly can chip in), but he has a history of raising his offensive game in the playoffs. Also, wasn't MacAdam strictly a right wing?

-Erixon and Blachford are solid 3rd liners. Blachford is a good captain. Rolston would be a very good 3rd liner.... as a winger. I know he's listed as a guy who can play all 3 forward positions, but he was never very good as a center in NJ (really only used as an injury replacement), and Colorado never used him at center for obvious reasons. How much did he play center in Minnesota? I think he's a guy who is much better at wing, where he can use his biggest asset - his speed. If you can show me he played center regularly and successfully in Minnesota, I'd change my mind. He's a guy who can play center if needed, but there's a difference between being able to do something and doing it well.

-Rolston is a better player than Conroy, but Conroy might be a better center. Really underrated two-way player and very good at faceoffs. Gould is a great RW for a shutdown line. Liscomb provides a bit of offensive punch, though it should be noted that his great playoffs was during the war.

Defense

-Van Boxmeer seems like one of those guys who was good at everything, great at nothing. He got some minor Norris consideration in his career, too. Solid #1. Buller was once a 2nd Team AS, which is very rare among defensemen left. But I just can't get over that he only played 2 seasons in the NHL. Did he dominate the AHL when he was there? If not, then the only thing he has on Doughty is one more good season.

-Marois is a solid two-way defenseman. I think he's better than Buller, despite Buller's better peak. Fraser is a really tough guy who can provide offense. Excellent 2nd pair.

-Godfrey seems like a solid stay at home guy. Tallon is a another rugged guy with offensive talent - a lesser version of Gord Fraser if you were. Solid bottom pair.

Goaltending and coaching
-Nabokov is a average to above average goaltender in the regular season, below average in the playoffs. The Tony Esposito of the MLD? Robertson is a decent backup.

-Bun Cook is a solid coach in this thing who shouldn't hurt you. I don't think minor league coaching success translates as well over into the big league as 70s does, but if you do, he's one of the better coaches in this.

Special teams
-Who is the net presence on the 2nd PP unit?
-You have the option to use Richer's big shot on the point (preferably on a different unit from Rolston, since that would be redundant). Might be worth looking into, as your PP defensemen are pretty average offensively as a group.
-Rolston is a real asset with his speed on the PK, but I would prefer it if another player took the faceoff. See my "how much did Rolston play center in Minnesota?" question.

Overall
-Solid lineup throughout, with a few warts.

-Question: are Savard and Richer in the right positions to succeed?

-Suggestion: The team might be better if you found a way to move Rolston to wing (preferably LW), MacAdam to RW, and Buller to the 2nd pairing (or showed that he dominated the AHL).

*Mainly using a formula created by 70s for goals and assists but applied to points - 1 point for every top 5, 10, 15, and 20 finish. So a 9th place finish gets 3 points.


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Gerard Gallant

1x Top 20 Points (14th)
2x Top 25 Goals (23rd, 19th)
1x Top 25 Assists (22nd)

Paul MacLean

2x Top 25 Goals (20th, 21st) Also has a 26th
1x Top 20 Points (12th)
1x Top 20 Assists (11th)

Cliff Ronning

None
Good stuff.

But I believe you missed Ronning finishing top-15 in assists once.

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Regina Capitals

GM: Seventieslord
Coach: Viktor Tikhonov

Chris Drury (A) - Herb Jordan - Leo Labine
Slava Kozlov - Cal Gardner - Wally Hergesheimer
Jaroslav Jirik - Ted Hampson (A) - Bob MacMillan
Andre Boudrias (A) - Jason Arnott - Grant Warwick

Robyn Regehr - Wade Redden
Al Arbour (C) - Bryan McCabe
Larry Hillman - Hugh Bolton

Don Edwards
Billy Nicholson

Spares:
Frank Rankin (F)
George Richardson (LW)
Lou Fontinato (D)

PP1:
Kozlov-Jordan-Hergesheimer
McCabe-Redden

PP2:
Jirik-Gardner-Warwick
McCabe-MacMillan

PK1:
Hampson-MacMillan
Regehr-Arbour

PK2:
Drury-Boudrias
Redden-Hillman

Minutes chart:

MacMillan 18
Jordan 17
Drury 16
Kozlov 16
Hergesheimer 16
Gardner 15
Hampson 15
Jirik 14
Labine 13
Boudrias 13
Warwick 13
Arnott 10

Redden 25
McCabe 22
Regehr 22
Arbour 19
Hillman 16
Bolton 13

1916 or earlier: Jordan, Rankin, Nicholson, Richardson
1917-1942: Warwick
1943-1965: Labine, Gardner, Hergesheimer, Jirik, Hampson, Boudrias, Arbour, Hillman, Bolton, Fontinato
1966-1979: MacMillan, Edwards, Tikhonov
1980-1994: Kozlov, Arnott
1995-2004: Drury, McCabe, Redden, Regehr
in 2010: Drury, McCabe, Redden, Regehr

Temporary mini-bios/reasoning:
Hergesheimer: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=536
Gardner: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=550
MacMillan: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=642
Jirik: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=644
Hampson: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=762
Warwick: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=762
Hillman: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=762
Arnott: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=762
Boudrias: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=848
Nicholson: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=849
Bolton: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=865
Rankin: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=865
Richardson: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=947
Fontinato: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=950

The bottom links are included to help you assess my players for assassination purposes. but for ranking purposes, I'll have full bios up and ready to go.

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-Typical MLD scoring line - the playmaker (Savard), goal scorer (Richer), and gritty guy (Hamill). You have two guys with questionable attitudes on one line (Savard and Richer), and that might hurt you. On the bright side, I believe Savard is the 2nd best post-67 regular season point producer in the MLD after Pavel Demitra.* On the down side, he has a questionable playoff record, and definitely provides "negative intangibles" throughout his career.

Maybe it's the Devils fan in me, but I think Richer gets a bum wrap. He was supposed to be the next Guy Lafleur in Montreal, and failed. But you know what? That's why he's not in the main draft. Judge him for what he did, not what he didn't do. He's never been top 10 in points, but he's been top 10 in goals 3 times and just out of the top 10 in points I think. And he's a fantastic playoff performer, when he is put in the right situation.

Richer's issues are totally different from Savard's. Savard at his worst slacked defensively and took lots of lazy penalties, but still produced (at least in the regular season). Richer became a solid defensive player, but his offense dried up when not in the right situation. In NJ, he was great on the same line as Claude Lemieux, useless without. Is Hamill the kind of gritty leader Richer needs on his line to excel?

-Romnes is one of the better 2nd line playmakers in the MLD. Gagne only had 2 significant seaosns in the NHL. How good was he in the western league? Is he a good enough goal scorer to finish off Romnes' passes? MacAdam provides a ton of grit, character, and two-way ability. He won't give you much offense in the regular season (though he certainly can chip in), but he has a history of raising his offensive game in the playoffs. Also, wasn't MacAdam strictly a right wing?

-Erixon and Blachford are solid 3rd liners. Blachford is a good captain. Rolston would be a very good 3rd liner.... as a winger. I know he's listed as a guy who can play all 3 forward positions, but he was never very good as a center in NJ (really only used as an injury replacement), and Colorado never used him at center for obvious reasons. How much did he play center in Minnesota? I think he's a guy who is much better at wing, where he can use his biggest asset - his speed. If you can show me he played center regularly and successfully in Minnesota, I'd change my mind. He's a guy who can play center if needed, but there's a difference between being able to do something and doing it well.

-Rolston is a better player than Conroy, but Conroy might be a better center. Really underrated two-way player and very good at faceoffs. Gould is a great RW for a shutdown line. Liscomb provides a bit of offensive punch, though it should be noted that his great playoffs was during the war.

Defense

-Van Boxmeer seems like one of those guys who was good at everything, great at nothing. He got some minor Norris consideration in his career, too. Solid #1. Buller was once a 2nd Team AS, which is very rare among defensemen left. But I just can't get over that he only played 2 seasons in the NHL. Did he dominate the AHL when he was there? If not, then the only thing he has on Doughty is one more good season.

-Marois is a solid two-way defenseman. I think he's better than Buller, despite Buller's better peak. Fraser is a really tough guy who can provide offense. Excellent 2nd pair.

-Godfrey seems like a solid stay at home guy. Tallon is a another rugged guy with offensive talent - a lesser version of Gord Fraser if you were. Solid bottom pair.

Goaltending and coaching
-Nabokov is a average to above average goaltender in the regular season, below average in the playoffs. The Tony Esposito of the MLD? Robertson is a decent backup.

-Bun Cook is a solid coach in this thing who shouldn't hurt you. I don't think minor league coaching success translates as well over into the big league as 70s does, but if you do, he's one of the better coaches in this.

Special teams
-Who is the net presence on the 2nd PP unit?
-You have the option to use Richer's big shot on the point (preferably on a different unit from Rolston, since that would be redundant). Might be worth looking into, as your PP defensemen are pretty average offensively as a group.
-Rolston is a real asset with his speed on the PK, but I would prefer it if another player took the faceoff. See my "how much did Rolston play center in Minnesota?" question.

Overall
-Solid lineup throughout, with a few warts.

-Question: are Savard and Richer in the right positions to succeed?

-Suggestion: The team might be better if you found a way to move Rolston to wing (preferably LW), MacAdam to RW, and Buller to the 2nd pairing (or showed that he dominated the AHL).

*Mainly using a formula created by 70s for goals and assists but applied to points - 1 point for every top 5, 10, 15, and 20 finish. So a 9th place finish gets 3 points.
Thanks for the review. I suppose I'll answer some questions and address a few things

Hy Buller
I wouldn't say Hy Buller dominated the AHL, but he was certainly an elite player there. He's a 2 x AHL First Team All-Star, carried his team to a Calder Cup, and was regularly among the scoring leaders for defensemen. Here are the finishes: (these took forever to put together )

Points among Defensemen – 2nd(1947), 2nd(1951), 3rd(1948), 6th(1944), 6th(1949), 7th(1945), 8th(1946), 12th(1950)*
Goals among Defensemen – 2nd(1947), 2nd(1948), 2nd(1951), 4th(1944), 5th(1946), 7th(1945), 8th(1950)*

Based on the fact that he was viewed as a very solid 2-way defenseman, those finishes are impressive, even for the AHL, which, as I said earlier, was very clearly the 2nd best league in the world.

Art Gagne
He was one of the elite players in the western leagues.

Here's what he accomplished:

Stanley Cup Finalist (1923)

WCHL Second All-Star Team (1922)
WCHL First All-Star Team (1923)
WHL First All-Star Team (1926)

WCHL Points – 7th(1922), 1st(1923), 3rd(1926)
WCHL Goals – 8th(1922), 5th(1923), 3rd(1926)
WCHL Assists – 6th(1922), 1st(1923), 5th(1926)

WCHL Play-off Points – 2nd(1923), 2nd(1926)
WCHL Play-off Goals – 2nd(1923), 6th(1926)
WCHL Play-off Assists – 1st(1926)

He was known as a very intense, gritty competitor. Though he was small, didn't take abuse for anybody. We feel he can be a solid net presence on the 2nd PP.

3rd Line
Both Rolston and Blachford can play all 3 forward positions, if Rolston is better on the wing, they can just switch. I'll have to wait and see what the majority think though

Top 6 Chemistry
Al MacAdam played both wings at different times in his career. We need him on the left side, so he'll stay there.

Perhaps MacAdam is a better fit with Savard and Richer? He is definately the charachter type of player who can help keep them in line... though I think Richer had more issues with depression rather than bad attitude.

Powerplay
You think Richer would be good at the point? Hmmm....

How does something like this look?

PP1: Hamill-Savard-Liscombe-van Boxmeer-Rolston
PP2: MacAdam-Romnes-Gagne-Buller-Richer

I think I like that actually....

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GM - DaveG
coach - Ivan Hlinka

Alex Tanguay - Pavol Dmitra - Viktor Shalimov
Tom Hooper - Jason Spezza - Rick Kehoe
Tommy Williams - Ryan Kesler - Ray Sheppard
Darryl Sutter (C) - Larry Patey - Willi Plett
Bohuslav Stastny, Stanislav Konopasek

Darryl Sydor - Mattias Ohlund (A)
Doug Jarrett (A) - Steve Chiasson
Risto Siltanen - Joe Cooper
Lasse Bjorn

Sean Burke
Arturs Irbe
Forwards
-I bet you didn't know that Demitra is the best post-1967 regular season point producer in the MLD?

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...hlight=demitra

(Though I think Savard may have equalled him since HO first posted that thread).

Demitra was my top choice for a playmaking RW to play with Zabrodsky, but his best years were at center in St. Louis. The big blemish on Demitra's resume, of course, is that he and Tkachuk were the biggest goats as to why St. Louis kept choking in the playoffs. Excellent international performer, though.

Tanguay is a rare playmaking LW, and he does have a clutch resume that Demitra lacks.

Both Demitra and Tanguay were pass-first players and neither brings much grit. They could really use a gritty goalscorer on their line. Is Shalimov that guy? He's a very good goal scorer, but this line might have problems against more physical defenses.

-Spezza is a good playmaker. I see Kehoe as kind of a one-season wonder, but he's definitely a shootfirst player and probably has a better playmaker than anyone he had in real life. Both are noted softies. I know that HOFer Hooper is known for his grit, but is it enough to carry the physical toll (especially given the lack of toughness on the top line, unless I'm missing something about Shalimov).

-What is the role of the 3rd line? The presence of Kesler indicates that it should be a checking line, but you don't want noted floater Ray Sheppard on your checking line. Sheppard was good at one thing - finishing, and even then, Fedorov was doing all the heavy lifting during Sheppard's one 50-goal season (the year Fedorov won the Hart). I don't know much about Tommy Williams, but his stats show one single very good season as a playmaker in the NHL (52 assists, 4th in the league), one really good playoffs in the WHA, and that he killed penalties late in his career. Not sure if he's great for his role here, though I guess he can feed Sheppard and play responsibly.

-Patey appears to have been a very good defensive center. He wasn't on our radar, but probably should have been. His wingers provide tons of toughness, but seem kind of redundant with each other.

Defense
-First pair is solid, but unspectacular. Both players are solid - Ohlund defensively, Sydor offensively, but I would prefer more talent on my top pair. They won't be liabilities, though.

-Jarrett is a very solid and clean defensive defenseman. Chiasson was a good offensive defenseman and character guy. Pretty solid 2nd pair.

-Siltanen put up decent, but not great numbers in the NHL. I know nothing about his defensive play. I'm not really impressed by WJC and Finnish league results. Cooper seems like a great defensive defenseman and tough guy of his era. He'll definitely be on my radar in the future.

Goaltending and coaching
-Not much to say about your goaltending. Burke is an average starter in this, Irbe an above-average backup.

-What do we make of Hlinka's failure as an NHL coach? He's one of the smartest coaches in this thing... yet he was fired after only 4 games in the NHL (Penguins), in part because "his limited command of English made it difficult for him to communicate with players." I'm not sure if he's the best coach for a team of mostly North Americans, at least without a North American assistant. But is that a fair criticism? It might apply to all the Soviet and Czech coaches.

Overall
A talented lineup overall, but I have concerns about the lack of grit in your scoring lines, and the role that your 3rd line is supposed to play. Also, the emphasis on modern defensemen left you with a top pair that, while solid, is less talented than many.

You did manage to get some gems among modern players, though. Mainly Demitra, who would be picked in one of the first few rounds of this thing if he were an older player (and therefore his playoff failures weren't fresh in our minds).

I'm also curious how other GMs view Hlinka's failure as an NHL coach. I honestly don't know how it should apply to this thing.


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I doubt I'll have time to review ever team, but right now, California, Baltimore, and Regina are on my list. Why? They are the ones I feel like reviewing.

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Both Rolston and Blachford can play all 3 forward positions, if Rolston is better on the wing, they can just switch. I'll have to wait and see what the majority think though
See what others think, but I would probably prefer this. If for no other reason than we don't know where Blachford was best.
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Al MacAdam played both wings at different times in his career. We need him on the left side, so he'll stay there.

Perhaps MacAdam is a better fit with Savard and Richer? He is definately the charachter type of player who can help keep them in line... though I think Richer had more issues with depression rather than bad attitude.
I agree that Richer's issues were more depression than anything. Still, he played his best in NJ with the angry and gritty Claude Lemieux on his line. Lemieux was obsessed with winning and would scream at teammates who weren't giving their all, for whatever reason.

Hammil is definitely more talented than MacAdam, so that needs to be taken into account too.

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Powerplay
You think Richer would be good at the point? Hmmm....

How does something like this look?

PP1: Hamill-Savard-Liscombe-van Boxmeer-Rolston
PP2: MacAdam-Romnes-Gagne-Buller-Richer

I think I like that actually....
This works for me, though I think Richer might be better than Rolston on the first unit? Not sure. Richer often played the point on the PP in NJ, to make use of his ridiculously hard slapshot.

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Art Gagne
He was one of the elite players in the western leagues.

Here's what he accomplished:

Stanley Cup Finalist (1923)

WCHL Second All-Star Team (1922)
WCHL First All-Star Team (1923)
WHL First All-Star Team (1926)

WCHL Points – 7th(1922), 1st(1923), 3rd(1926)
WCHL Goals – 8th(1922), 5th(1923), 3rd(1926)
WCHL Assists – 6th(1922), 1st(1923), 5th(1926)

WCHL Play-off Points – 2nd(1923), 2nd(1926)
WCHL Play-off Goals – 2nd(1923), 6th(1926)
WCHL Play-off Assists – 1st(1926)

He was known as a very intense, gritty competitor. Though he was small, didn't take abuse for anybody. We feel he can be a solid net presence on the 2nd PP.
I think he has solid 2nd line credentials. But where did you get that he was gritty or intense?

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Good stuff.

But I believe you missed Ronning finishing top-15 in assists once.
Which season? I thought I checked all of them but I could be wrong.

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Coach: Claude Ruel

Pierre Larouche - Gus Bodnar - Billy Gilmour (A)
Steve Payne - Don Raleigh - Jimmy Ward
Buzz Boll - Ray Ferraro - Ron Stewart
Andre Pronovost - Herb Carnegie - Ossie Carnegie
Ron Duguay - Ken Mallen

Joe Jerwa - Joe Watson (A)
Rick Ley (C) - Alex Smith
Roman Hamrlik - Reg Hamilton
Sheldon Souray

Henrik Lundqvist
Ron Grahame

Offense

-Three solid, talented players on your first line. Bodnar is a fine passer and player who should be able to set up Larouche well. Also, how much did Larouche actually play wing? I see him listed as a C almost everywhere. My only question is toughness and some ability to forecheck and win pucks. No lack of talent, but a lack of grit and toughness that may cost you against a more physical defense.
-I like the construction of this line better. Each player has a clearly defined role, Payne is your scorer and net crasher, Raleigh the set up man, and Ward has toughness and physicality that will be able to work the corners and fight along the boards. Good 2nd line.
-Solid 3rd line, a very good defensive player in Stewart at RW, a good two-way guy in Boll, and a tough agitator in Ferraro that wasn't a slouch in his own end, but wasn't great. Boll and Ferraro should be able to chip in some goals. Decent 3rd line.
-Interesting approach to a 4th line, the Carnegies are an intriguing pair. From what I gather, they were more geared to offense and were not the most gritty players. What direction were you going with this line? Pronovost indicates a two-way line but with the Carnegies I'm not so sure.

Defense

-I like the first pairing. Two guys that are solid in their own end and didn't really have any holes in either of their games. Watson was a jack of all trades, master of none and Jerwa was solid in both ends.
-From what I see, this looks like a tough, defensive 2nd pairing. Ley was a tough customer that provided a little in the offensive zone, and from what I see about Smith he took a significant amount of penalties and didn't put up a lot of points. Should be very good in their own zone, but won't offer much besides that.
-Hamrlik's a decent 3rd pairing guy, has a cannon for a shot and is pretty physical. Good but not great in his own zone. Hamilton looks like more of a stay at home defenseman, looking at his PIM and point totals, there's no Legends bio on him I can look at.

Goaltending

-Lundqvist isn't great, but isn't bad. Above average MLD starter if you ask me. Grahame is average if you ask me.

Things I Like

-2nd Line
-3rd Line
-1st Pairing
-3rd Pairing

Things I don't like

-Lack of grit on the first line
-Don't really know what purpose your 4th line will serve
-Lack of puck moving and offensive defensemen in your lineup. After Jerwa and Ley, you really don't have anyone that was good in the offensive zone. Watson was mediocre, Hamrlik is decent but not great, Smith doesn't seem to have much of an offensive game, same with Hamilton. I think your PP will suffer because of this.

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Off the top of my head I think it was 96-97 or 97-98.

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You're right, it was 97-98. I guess I skipped that one assuming his point total was so low it couldn't be that year.

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coach Boris Kulagin

Sergei Kapustin - Viktor Zhluktov - Alexsei Morozov
Yevgeny Zimin - Viktor Shuvalov - Yuri Pantyukhov
Valentin Kuzin - Alexander Uvarov (C) - Yuri Krylov
Alexander Bodunov - Vyacheslav Anisin - Yuri Lebedev
extra: Sergei Samsonov, Alexander Pashin

Yuri Fedorov - Vasili Pervukhin (A)
Dmitri Ukolov (A) - Alex Vinogradov
Alfred Kuchevsky - Genrikh Sidorenkov
extra: Val Hoffinger

Nikolai Puchkov
Sergei Mylnikov

The Good

The bolded, bigger ones are all-time greats that I've drafted before and will simply link to past bios. CLICK on their names.

The underlined have all been drafted in a MLD or AAA before.

Shuvalov was Bobrov's pivot and one of the greatest Soviets during their infancy in the early fifties, a question mark in an all-time context, but certainly within the ballpark of any time Bobrov is picked (back line or extra skater in the main draft imo, first line in the MLD), so he's a great pick in this draft and I link seventieslord's good bio on him: HERE.

The back line of Bodunov-Anisin-Lebedev were the Kid Line from the '72 Summit Series, though Bodunov and Anisin had limited success in their shorter careers than Lebedev. Together on the back line of a MLD team seems ideal since they were effective against the NHL's best as a trio of youngsters in one tourney, it's apt to draft them together in a secondary role on the 4th line. Nice placement.

In 1960 the two greatest Soviet blueliners were Kuchevsky and Sidorenkov, each three-time 1st team all-stars, and both on the 1956 Olympic gold medal team. I drafted both of them on my ATD10 Double-A Draft team and really they are near equivalent to Shuvalov, not far off of a Bobrov. certainly as third pairing guys they are intriguing third options, possibly difference makers. Nice placement.

Puchkov, the 1959 IIHF all-star goalie and 8-time Soviet league all-star. He's worth drafting at some point, ideally a MLD back-up imo. But at least he's worth a chance as a starter. Could work.

I like Samsonov as an extra skater because he has the speed and hockey sense to play on any line, the defensive awareness to be competent on a checking line. I watched him in the IHL as an 18 year old, he won defensive player of the year there, went on to the NHL's Calder and really had some fine years in Boston, not to mention his playoff 15 points in the Oilers Stanley Cup Finals run. He has stickhandling skills but can't hit the broad side of a barn, uh, check that, that's all he can hit: the goalie square in the chest, something he has done often. He's a AAA draft level backliner or extra forward imo, but he has the skills to hold his own in the role he's been assigned here: warming the bench, playing limited minutes only when needed.

The Bad

I have questioned Yuri Fedorov before and don't think him equivalent to at least three undrafted Soviet rearguards (arguably four or five) certain to go in the AAA 2010. He only played 38 games with the national team with 4 goals, has no individual awards and few team accomplishments relative to others. I just don't get this pick.

Alexsei Morozov had a career-high 20 goals and 34 assists, each in different seasons on over six years of NHL work and so his tearing up the Russian leagues later in his life doesn't impress so much, though does indicate he can play well in less traffic against not so high a level of competition. As the third option on a scoring line he might be adequate, as both Zhluktov and Kapustin have thrived against the best players in the world and so that line may actually be quite successful in MLD 2010 level competition. Nevertheless, I still don't like the pick.

The Interesting

Zimin scored the first Soviet goal in the '72 Summit Series and was a two-time Olympic gold medalist, four-time world champion, scoring 28 goals in 71 games internationally. Not bad. Those facts alone makes a possible scoring line starter in this draft, though he was small and only played two games in the Summit Series despite scoring two goals. He is described as fast and slick and did win two Russian league championships with lesser Spartak over the mighty Red Army team, David vs. Goliath in USSR terms given the CSKA team is stacked with international team members. I have never considered Zimin before, he hasn't shown up on top-50 Soviet great lists before or else I've overlooked him. I'm not sure what to make of him. A solid AAA Draft pick and intriguing here, on a MLD 2nd line with Shuvalov, a pair that could do some damage. They've got the skill set. And Zimin did score 2 goals against the NHL's best in 2 games, so that hints at greatness. Perhaps if he played for a better Russian league team, who knows?

The 3rd line center and captain of papershoes' team, Uvarov, was argued by seventieslord as a possible addition to the AAA11 when we drafted an extra team after that draft for the playoffs, and he quoted then a hockey book excerpt about Uvarov:
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"He had speed, a smooth skating style and stamina... quickly mastered the art of handling the puck... had all the requirements - speed, technique, powerful shots on goal, and an ability to help out on defense... had an outstanding ability to think on the ice. He controlled the game and orchestrated play by speeding up or slowing down the pace as needed.... had excellent peripheral vision... another special talent was versatility... his line attacked aggressively and scored the most goals domestically... when on the national team he became the shutdown center, neutralizing opposing stars... strategy was to keep the puck away from the opposition using a series of short, swift passes... The 1956 Olympic gold medal game was practically won on two goals scored on passes from Uvarov... a team player of the highest caliber, always placing the team's interests above his own... was team captain for 11 seasons in a row, and played until age 38.
He certainly seems to have the intangibles to be a captain and to handle a Bottom-6 role, though the level of competition is questionable and he may be a better fourth liner or extra forward in this draft.

2nd pairing dman Ukolov scored multiple goals at three world championships from the blueline in the 1950s. Sounds like he had offensive skills. More info desired please. Was only once a Soviet league all star, no IIHF all-star selections despite four world championships. Could be a real ugly pick if more info not forthcoming. His 2nd pairing mate Vinogradov looks even less worthy.

The Ugly

Pantyukhov on the 2nd line is a 1950s Soviet regular, nothing exceptional, unless I've missed something. Really has no place in the starting line up, let alone the scoring line.

Kuzin on the 3rd line was in one Olympics and two world championships between 1954-56 in a limited international career, apparently run-of-the-mill Soviet of the era, not transcendent in any way. Another scrub at this level of competition.

Krylov was once a Soviet league all star and played both right wing and defense in the 1950s. He might be able to handle Bottom-6 role defensive responsibilities. Or he might not.

Overall

The team has two stars on the first line, a second line with a possible quality pivot and at least glimmer of star power at left wing, the third line might see fourth line minutes given the Kid Line has real chemistry and showed they can skate with the world's best, at least for one tourney. The blueline has a Soviet league MVP on the first pairing which could carry the duo, a questionable second pairing but a clear star duo third pairing with real life chemistry that transcended their time with accolades galore, though against less than the best competition of their era. The starter in net is arguably the third best Soviet netminder ever, certainly top-5 and might hold his own or surprise.

This team is an X-factor. It certainly has the coaching in Kulagin, assistant to Tarosov in the 1960s and assistant in the '72 Summit Series, early believer in Kharlamov, and later built a weak Soviet Wings team into the 1974 Soviet champions by bringing in the Kid Line (on this squad's back line) and some others. He impressed enough to be appointed to be head coach of the national team, winning world championships and an Olympic gold, not to mention the 1974 WHA summit series and a successful set of games against NHL clubs in '75 and '76 as head of two Soviet league teams on tour. He got bounced after the Czechs won back to back world championships, a result he may not be responsible for. An excellent choice to coach THIS squad, and surely a fine assistant coach at the MLD level, in fact, the team that drafted Tikhonov ought to have nabbed him to assist.

The special teams need some tweaking however. Zhluktov's size and strength ought to be used on the first pp unit in Morozov's place, as a net charging winger. The Kid line ought to be the second pp unit I think. Certainly, Lebedev should be on one of the pk units and I'm puzzled why the real life duo of Kuchevsky - Sidorenkov aren't given a role. Vinogradov and Fedorov as a pk duo? Really, info desired please.


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VI, great review. Half your comments I would echo, myself, the others, I don't know quite enough to agree or disagree with.

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Head Coach: Marc Crawford
Assistant Coach: Brian Kilrea


Nikolai Drozdetsky - Josef Malecek - Carson Cooper
Tony McKegney - Nicklas Backstrom - Blaine Stoughton
Bob Kelly - George Gee - Pat Flatley
Steve Konowalchuk - Keith Acton - Don Saleski
Murph Chamberlain

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Doug Bodger - Lee Fogolin Sr.
Sergei Babinov - Fred Lake
Rick Smith

Kirk McLean
Marc-Andre Fleury


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I think he has solid 2nd line credentials. But where did you get that he was gritty or intense?
“The 5-foot-7, 160-pound right winger fit right in and proved that he was NHL material with 14 goals and three assists in his initial campaign, more than respectable numbers over the 44-game schedule. The gritty little forward also picked up 42 penalty minutes, not taking kindly to opponents who took liberties, no matter their size.

In 1927-28, while playing alongside linemates Howie Morenz and Aurele Joliat, Gagné put up the biggest numbers of his career. The shifty but short-tempered forward found the twine behind enemy goaltenders 20 times that year, good for third on the team and sixth among all NHLers. Eleven assists stood him seventh in the league in that department and, with 75 minutes of penalty time, Gagné was also ranked among the league’s most penalized players.” – ourhistroy.canadiens.com

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