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07-05-2010, 04:03 PM
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Hes a solid player and impressed me how well he slid into the middle when there were some injuries for the caps last year. I would take him in BUF thats for sure

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07-05-2010, 04:03 PM
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Comparable players and contracts for Raymond:

Mason Raymond
25 goals, 53 points, 17 minutes per night

High end:
Wojitek Wolski- 2 years 3.8 per (25 goals, 68 points, 18:44 per night). Also has averaged 47 points in three seasons prior to this one.
David Booth- 6 years 4.25 (signed post 31 goal, 60 point, 18 minute season), Panthers paid premium to lock up a key piece.

Closer comparables:
Matt Moulson- RFA (30 goals, 48 points, 16:38 per night)
James Neal- RFA (27 goals, 55 points, 18:00 per night)
Devin Setoguchi- RFA (31 goal, 65 point, 16 minutes per night 2 years ago). Seto likely gets knocked for playing with Thornton, but takes a harder knock for failing to reach 40 points last season.
Brian Little- RFA (31 goal, 51 points, 16 minutes). Like Setoguchi had a significant fall-off last year which will lead to a loss on his next contract
Patrick Hornqvist- RFA (30 goals, 51 points, 15:30 per night)
David Perron- RFA (20 goals, 47 points, 18:00 per night)
Guillame Latendresse- 2 years 2.5 mill per (27 goals, 40 points, 15:00/night). Very little previous success
Chris Versteeg- 3 years 3.083 (21 goals, 53 points, 17:00 per game)

There is a major range in there, but those players are for the most part goal scorers that are around the same age (or were when they signed their contracts), that except for Booth, Perron, and Hornqvist premier goal scorer. Goals are an obvious comparison, but arbitrators and gms (Doug Wilson has gone on record saying he prepares for every RFA signing as if it were an arb hearing) also consider ice time (conveying importance to team and position- 1st, 2nd, 3rd line), pk time (are they valuable outside of offensive numbers, two-way play, and intangibles (part of Booth's major contract). Most of these players don't have exceptional bodies of work with the exception of Wolski. Another key factor in negotiations is of course contract length. For young players a premium is almost always paid to go beyond two or three years. You don't see many 25 goal scorers sign for 3 years under 3 million and certainly not four years. With that said, I could see Raymond, Setoguchi, Neal, or Little taking a 4 year 12 million contract, because they are still pretty unproven, but have shown excellent 30 (25 in Raymond's case) goal capability as well.
Looking at that list Versteeg is probably the best comparable. But most of the other guys are unsigned so it's hard to judge.

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07-05-2010, 04:05 PM
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Kind of disappeared in the playoffs.

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niemi filed for arbitration


hammer CANNOT and therefore didnt

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07-05-2010, 04:15 PM
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wish they could have packaged him in a trade before now..insted of being forced to pay him 3 million plus for one season or letting him walk for free.
Apparently they tried to Boston because the Bruins want him and Krejci together...

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Chicago Blackhawks goaltender Antti Niemi filed for arbitration - ESPN Chicago

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Looking at that list Versteeg is probably the best comparable. But most of the other guys are unsigned so it's hard to judge.
Pretty much my thought, as other signings occur, we will have much better ideas of what the other guys will cost. The closest comparables as all the unsigned guys. Wolski and Booth are too good, Latendresse isn't the same style.

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07-05-2010, 04:25 PM
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Chicago Blackhawks goaltender Antti Niemi filed for arbitration - ESPN Chicago

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Oof. That's gonna cost well north of $3 million per; Cup winning goalies and all.

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Looking at that list Versteeg is probably the best comparable. But most of the other guys are unsigned so it's hard to judge.
Versteeg was about to hit unrestricted free agency; however, since Tallon miffed up the qualifying process. I recall Hawks fans thought he'd clock in at under $3 million if they'd negotiated with him traditionally, but since management totally screwed everything up they had to negotiate with him as a potential UFA.

Raymond MAY get $3 million per year from an arbitrator, but word out of Vancouver now is that he's negotiating a two-year deal with the Canucks to avoid arbitration.

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Apparently they tried to Boston because the Bruins want him and Krejci together...
I hadnt heard that rumor before....if so do you have any Idea who Boston would have likely sent back for close trade value?

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Oof. That's gonna cost well north of $3 million per; Cup winning goalies and all.
Doubt it.

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I wonder what Andrew Ladd is seeking. If it's just over $2M and the Hawks can't pay him, I'd hope the Leafs took a flyer on the guy via FA
Or maybe the hawks will trade Andrew Ladd to the thrashers for Ivan Vishnevsky and a Second round pick?

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I hadnt heard that rumor before....if so do you have any Idea who Boston would have likely sent back for close trade value?
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James Wisniewski filed for arbitration

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Looking at that list Versteeg is probably the best comparable. But most of the other guys are unsigned so it's hard to judge.
Versteeg hits people and plays with an edge.

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Doubt it.
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Raymond comparables

Guillaume Latendresse - 2.5 million per season
Jiri Hudler - 2.875 million per season
Ryan Callahan - 2.33 million per season
Mikhail Grabovski - 2.9 million per season
David Clarkson - 2.666 million per season

Ive always been expecting $3m in arbitration. I think he signs for less on a 4 year deal.

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you think raymond will get less than 3 mill/year over 4 years?

fat chance, theres a reason why he's going to arbitration, he is deserving of a good pay raise
Raymond had one more point last year than Hudler had the year previous and Hudler was awarded just over $2.8 mil/year @ arbitration.

And $3 mil from $675k is a good raise....

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Looking at that list Versteeg is probably the best comparable. But most of the other guys are unsigned so it's hard to judge.
And Versteeg was more expensive when he signed as the Hawks brass filed incorrectly then had to pay more when he technically became a UFA...

But again Raymond should be right around $3 mil on a 2 or 3 year deal. It's not magic.

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Keep Hope Alive.
We shall see i suppose. It will be interesting what guys Niemi uses for justification of a big contract. Most of the recent goalie contracts have been pretty reasonable and although he did just win a cup he only has 61 games of NHL experience and only about 30 where he was the #1. Having said all this filing for arbitration with the Hawks has not been a good sign historically and usually led to the player being traded.

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doh.....no wonder
I think that was the rumor at the deadline, no?

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We shall see i suppose. It will be interesting what guys Niemi uses for justification of a big contract. Most of the recent goalie contracts have been pretty reasonable and although he did just win a cup he only has 61 games of NHL experience and only about 30 where he was the #1. Having said all this filing for arbitration with the Hawks has not been a good sign historically and usually led to the player being traded.
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Oof. That's gonna cost well north of $3 million per; Cup winning goalies and all.
this will be interesting.

compare him to the recent signings.... I doubt he will get anywhere near 3... if so... go and get Theo for 1.5 or talk to Turco

I see him at 2.1-2.2

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Kind of disappeared in the playoffs.
isn't this the 2nd yr he's started his vanishing act in the month before the playoffs started?

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Sharp had 66 points this year, but he only had 44 (granted in 61 games) in his contract year. Sharpe's performance this year isn't the relevant comparable year.

You'll get no argument from me that both Sharp and Pavelski are better than Raymond. I'm saying that he has a strong case for being close to them statistically.

Factor in guys like Joffery Lupal and David Booth getting paid 4.25 and Raymond can claim Sharp and Pavelski just took less than fair value to play for a competitive team.
Sharp's contract year (ie. the final year of his expiring contract) was a 36 goal 62 point year. The year prior he had 20G 35 PTS season. Same goes for Booth; He was coming of a 31G 60PTS season and a 22G 40PTS season the year prior.

Pavelski and Lupul aren't comparible either because they had more than one 50+ point seasons under their belts when they signed extentions (and an MVP playoff performance in Pavelski's case).

The thing that all those deal have in common is that they are long term deals: Booth signed for six years, Pavelski, Lupul and Sharp signed for four years.

I comparable contract to what Raymond should receive is a player who came off a breakout year when he became an RFA. Some contract and situations which are similar:

Guillaume Latendresse, 23 (78 GP, 27 G, 13 A): 2 year deal 2.5 Cap Hit

Jiri Hudler, 25 (82GP 23G 34A 57PTS): 2 year deal 2.875 Cap Hit
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Mikhail Grabovski, 24 (78GP 20G 28A 48PTS): 3 year deal 2.9 Cap Hit

Kris Versteeg, 23 (78GP 22G 31A 53PTS): 3 year deal 3.083 Cap Hit

Versteeg's number is slightly inflated due to Tallon's incompetence.

If Gillis was to sign Raymond to a long-term contract (4+ years), The cap number would probably be 3.5+ million. My expectations are a 2-3 year deal worth 2.5 - 3.0 million.

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