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Honestly...it doesn't matter what the Leafs have previously turned down...his lacklustre sophmore season has made him expendable for the right piece....
The problem is that Detroit just doesn't have that right piece. Partially because of this "accelerated rebuild"; Toronto is only lacking in 3 positions; however, only 2 of those are worth trading to fix, and those 2 positions mean players that another team is unlikely to part with becuase we lack talent at teh top of the lineup.
Our first need is a top line LW w/ size. Our 2nd need is a centre better than Mikhail Grabovski. Our 3rd need (not really worth trading to fix) is a solid 2-way 3rd line centre. If detroit can't offer one of those players, there's 0 reason to discuss a trade.
I saw an offer of Darren Helm, but the reality is that he isn't good enough to slot in on a 1st line. If the Leafs were looking for depth on the left side, then he'd be an attractive player, but we're not.
And the incredible overrating of Helm. The guy is a 4th line center with speed. He's got hands of stone, can't play defense and makes horrible decisions. I'd move Helm for Schenn so fast....
really? I guess shero is an idiot to give away their suppossed top winger prospect from a prospect system depleted of any talented wingers for poni? their must be more to his rationale then that my man.
caputi is simply not that good and first round picks even mid-late first round picks are worth alot, remember 24th overall plus a prospect only gets you kovalchuk....
Good point. There is absolutely no room for a 20 year old defenceman to make mistakes. Take him off our hands please.
of course their is, but schenn is a good shutdown #3-4 dman in the mold of chris phillips. their is nothing wrong with that, not in the slightest, dosent mean however a team would give up a player with more upside to get him.
of course their is, but schenn is a good shutdown #3-4 dman in the mold of chris phillips. their is nothing wrong with that, not in the slightest, dosent mean however a team would give up a player with more upside to get him.
Phillips has been Ottawa's #1/2 defensemen for the past 5 years. And they've had a lot of good D go thru there. Not to mention Schenn is finding his offensive game and plays meaner / more physical.
Edit: Actually I just looked at Phillips' offensive numbers and I think that's right about where Schenn will be (6G, 18A, 24Pts) a season. I thought Phillips was more one dimensional.
really? I guess shero is an idiot to give away their suppossed top winger prospect from a prospect system depleted of any talented wingers for poni? their must be more to his rationale then that my man.
caputi is simply not that good and first round picks even mid-late first round picks are worth alot, remember 24th overall plus a prospect only gets you kovalchuk....
my comment wasnt regarding the caputi part, he's a decent prospect nothing else, id be surprised if he started the season on the leafs. It was directed at "schenn=kindl minus any sort of offensive upside" comment.
Kindl was drafted 5 years ago and had played 3 nhl games. Schenn is head and shoulders better than Kindl, just because he's the wings top prospect doesnt mean that he's a better player than luke schenn.
my comment wasnt regarding the caputi part, he's a decent prospect nothing else, id be surprised if he started the season on the leafs. It was directed at "schenn=kindl minus any sort of offensive upside" comment.
Kindl was drafted 5 years ago and had played 3 nhl games. Schenn is head and shoulders better than Kindl, just because he's the wings top prospect doesnt mean that he's a better player than luke schenn.
now please keep in mind the way detroit develops its players and compare that to the leafs before you make those sorts of comments.
i honestly cant remember the last leaf player drafted, developed and kept for more than 5 years by the leafs who has had any sort of major nhl impact...
Phillips has been Ottawa's #1/2 defensemen for the past 5 years. And they've had a lot of good D go thru there. Not to mention Schenn is finding his offensive game and plays meaner / more physical.
Edit: Actually I just looked at Phillips' offensive numbers and I think that's right about where Schenn will be (6G, 18A, 24Pts) a season. I thought Phillips was more one dimensional.
things are pretty bad in ottawa when phillips is your #1 dman for the past 5 years, isnt it???
It'll take an overpayment, or at least an equal top young forward, to pry Schenn away from the Leafs.
You can play out the "overrated" card all you want but his value to the Leafs, and Burke, is extremely high. The intangibles he brings at his age are pretty remarkable.
Detroit is not a great trading partner for the Leafs. They do have some good parts that could be used but those parts wouldn't be anything great for the Leafs to use. Guys like Cleary and Helm, all though good players especially Helm, are not players that would attract interest from Burke if he were to listen offers for Schenn. They are not top line players at all, which is the need of the Leafs.
Burke see's Schenn as his future captain and there's a reason for that.
As much as fans like to bash Leaf fans for overrating their players and prospects, rival fans are seriously underrating Schenn's value.
And I will say again, Burke did not turn down Matt Duschene for Luke Schenn. I would have thought that was common sense.
And if he did? Any sane Toronto fan would be crying for his head from the roof tops. Matt Duschene, a franchise #1 center, or a stay at home defensive defenseman with shut down potential...... hmmmm, which one should you take?
The only franchise no. 1 center in the 09' draft was Tavares. Duchene, Schenn, Kadri, etc.. probably project at best to be no. 1's, some maybe no. 2's, but none have franchise potential in my opinion, and that's what Burke was looking for. Burke deemed Kadri + Schenn more valuable than Duchene. Fair value. He was never after Duchene at any time. Just wasn't his guy. If you remember, he was after the other Schenn, Brayden. You've got to take into account the rookie season Schenn had. At that point, Schenn had more value than anybody other than Tavares, who had franchise potential. Schenn can be a solid no. 2 defenseman in this league, and along with a top center, which Burke always intended to select in that draft (Kadri or B. Schenn) the Leaf's look to benefit from the decision.
Detroit and us are not good trading partners. First off, I would like a defensive prospect coming back, Brendan Smith, but then that forward that would complete the deal is just not there.
no more so than saying helm and cleary are fa players my man, tit for tat.
again untill i see the elafs draft, develop and keep any player to have any sort of real NHL impact its hard to really put full value on anyone who walks acrss the draft floor and puts on a leaf jersey.
no more so than saying helm and cleary are fa players my man, tit for tat.
again untill i see the leafs draft, develop and keep any player to have any sort of real NHL impact its hard to really put full value on anyone who walks acrss the draft floor and puts on a leaf jersey.
i would say most fans say the same thing about leaf fans, again prove why schenn should be given praise based on the leaf organization history towards prospects and i will believe you no questions asked, capeech?
of course their is, but schenn is a good shutdown #3-4 dman in the mold of chris phillips. their is nothing wrong with that, not in the slightest, dosent mean however a team would give up a player with more upside to get him.
Uh, Schenn has shown flashes of a top pairing shutdown workhorse in his rookie year and a bit in his sophomore year. So tell me how his ceiling is only a mid pairing defenceman again?
Actually, I recommend you watch hockey. It's a pretty entertaining sport to follow.
i would say most fans say the same thing about leaf fans, again prove why schenn should be given praise based on the leaf organization history towards prospects and i will believe you no questions asked, capeech?
