Montreal fans, do not be surprised if McDonagh makes the team in September.
Tellin you that right now.
Rangers staff are giving our young guys every last chance to make the team. That certainly goes for Grachev and Stepan as well, although of these three players, Stepan IMO is the one who would need a year of seasoning in the AHL.
Grachev nearly made the team last year. One of the last cuts.
Gaborik was awesome in the playoffs too....wait he didn't make the playoffs.
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and a trip to the conference finals...
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He was awesome in the playoff
but seriously
Are you actually trying to argue that Gomez is a better player than Gaborik and that with Gomez instead the Rangers would've made the playoffs? Or even that we wouldn't have done as well in the playoffs with Gaborik instead of the almighty Scott Gomez?
There's being a fan of your team and it's players, and then there's being an idiot. I'll let you figure out which category you fall under.
Are you actually trying to argue that Gomez is a better player than Gaborik and that with Gomez instead the Rangers would've made the playoffs? Or even that we wouldn't have done as well in the playoffs with Gaborik instead of the almighty Scott Gomez?
There's being a fan of your team and it's players, and then there's being an idiot. I'll let you figure out which category you fall under.
Wow, who pissed in your cornflakes cowboy?
You would be the idiot if you interpreted the comments to mean the Gomez is better than Gaborik.
If you took the time to read it carefully like a grown up you may have been able to deduce that the premise was that Gomez was one of the reasons the Habs did so well in the playoffs; and that as good as Gaborik is, and he is really good when healthy, he was still not good enough to get the Rangers into the playoffs.
Would the Habs have done as well or better with Gaborik? Who cares? He would not have signed with them anyways.
And if you believe, like I do, that without Gomez (or another center considered to be in the upper echelon by his peers) the Habs would not have signed Cammalleri or Gionta, then his importance to the team is all the more evident.
Wow, who pissed in your cornflakes cowboy?
You would be the idiot if you interpreted the comments to mean the Gomez is better than Gaborik.
If you took the time to read it carefully like a grown up you may have been able to deduce that the premise was that Gomez was one of the reasons the Habs did so well in the playoffs; and that as good as Gaborik is, and he is really good when healthy, he was still not good enough to get the Rangers into the playoffs.
Would the Habs have done as well or better with Gaborik? Who cares? He would not have signed with them anyways.
And if you believe, like I do, that without Gomez (or another center considered to be in the upper echelon by his peers) the Habs would not have signed Cammalleri or Gionta, then his importance to the team is all the more evident.
Hope it was not too difficult for you to follow.
Welcome to the cone of denile, delusion and disgrace.
Wow, who p*ssed in your cornflakes cowboy?
You would be the idiot if you interpreted the comments to mean the Gomez is better than Gaborik.
If you took the time to read it carefully like a grown up you may have been able to deduce that the premise was that Gomez was one of the reasons the Habs did so well in the playoffs; and that as good as Gaborik is, and he is really good when healthy, he was still not good enough to get the Rangers into the playoffs.
Would the Habs have done as well or better with Gaborik? Who cares? He would not have signed with them anyways.
And if you believe, like I do, that without Gomez (or another center considered to be in the upper echelon by his peers) the Habs would not have signed Cammalleri or Gionta, then his importance to the team is all the more evident.
Hope it was not too difficult for you to follow.
With this logic, Halak wasn't good enough to beat the Flyers. Or was that the whole team?
Thats a pretty epic line up imho. Patches-Eller-Boyd give speed, fiestiness, high end skill, and character, if they would develop together they could really pan out well. I love the potential from that 3rd line to generate the offense needed.
yeah, same thing id like to see , danyshabsfan had lapierre on the wing with eller but id much rather see boyd there and laps centering moen and the speedy pyatt
With this logic, Halak wasn't good enough to beat the Flyers. Or was that the whole team?
Habs were gassed and being smallish to begin with, they couldn't fight through Philly's physical style.
The only games where the Habs played like they did in the first two series was game 4 where they kicked the hell out of the Flyers and game 5 hwere they played pretty well but just didn't have the gas in the tank.
Halak's weaknesses are poor rebound control and the inability to protect his crease in a crowd.
Two weaknesses that played right into the Flyer's strengths and style.
I didn't think at the beginning of the Flyers series that it was going to be that bad of a matchup for us but it became pretty evident, pretty quickly that in the shape the Habs were in, it most definitely was and they just didn't have the gas left to properly deal with the Flyers grinding play.
You`d think the Rangers would`ve learned something about rushing guys to NHL after Del Zotto came crashing down to earth after a hot start.
Actually Del Zotto is exactly the same player as MA Bergeron, speedy d-man with great shot and offensive skill but zero defense, he just can't
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yeah, same thing id like to see , danyshabsfan had lapierre on the wing with eller but id much rather see boyd there and laps centering moen and the speedy pyatt
Eller must not play with Lapierre, Pyatt or Pacioretty, Martin should try him as a winger with the Gomez-Gionta line or Plek-Cammy line. He's talented and need to have skilled players with him, not that Lapierre, Pyatt, Boyd or Pacioretty aren't, but they are more good warriors, instead Ellerd should play with more creative guys.
He's soft and is not really the puck moving d-man he was supposed to be coming out of high school. And physical isn't really his game. Jamie McBain, Brendan Smith and Cody Golubef were ahead of him on the depth chart in Wisconsin and put up better numbers. If he signs, he'll get a shot on one of the worst defences in the league. Rosival, Girardi, Staal, Del Zotto, Gilroy doesn't send shivers down my spine. They got rid of Sanguinetti and drafted McElrath because they weren't sold on their prospect depth.
Are you actually trying to argue that Gomez is a better player than Gaborik and that with Gomez instead the Rangers would've made the playoffs? Or even that we wouldn't have done as well in the playoffs with Gaborik instead of the almighty Scott Gomez?
There's being a fan of your team and it's players, and then there's being an idiot. I'll let you figure out which category you fall under.
Another Ranger fan just posted that the Rangers problem this year was having no number 1 or number 2 center.
That was the problem in trading Gomez. Gaborik had no real center to feed him. The Rangers would have been better off dumping Redden or Drury or Roszival than Gomez, to make room for Gaborik.
Gomez and Gaborik would have scored even more goals than Gaborik and Bottom-6 centers, and Gomez, as a veteran with two Cup rings, might have got Gaborik to actually BACKCHECK more!
additionally, any comment about how Gaborik did in the PO's is unfair simply because of the supporting cast around the player.
No No. 1 or legit No. 2 center, no secondary scoring to speak of. one of the youngest defences in the league supported by Redden.
The fact that we were even close to making the PO's was all Gabby and Lundqvist.
See post #26 in this thread created back in July, almost a year ago to this date.
Wasn't hard to figure out that Sather traded the wrong contract (Gomez) in this deal...there are/were far worse contracts on the Rangers than Scott Gomez's contract.
Maybe if Sather had done a better job of insulating Gomez, a player he spent a ton of money on, instead what did Sather do? He signs Gomez to a HUGE deal, then proceeds to follow it up with signing Chris Drury & Wade Redden...wow...awesome job there Slats...
I dont think there's is a worst GM in the NHL than Glen Sather, to think people even thought Sather was the one who fleeced Gainey lol...
I disagree. If you have natural talent, an extra year in College won't hurt you too much. If he was as good as Timmins said he was, then he should be able to make the jump. If he can't, it's just another Timmons joke of a pick, that should again prove why the guy shouldn't be the head scout.
You`d think the Rangers would`ve learned something about rushing guys to NHL after Del Zotto came crashing down to earth after a hot start.
What are you talking about? He got tired mid season. After the Olympic break, he was great again. Pretty cut and dry. Had his conditioning been NHL level already, he'd of never had that huge dry spell. He admitted as such already.
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Actually Del Zotto is exactly the same player as MA Bergeron, speedy d-man with great shot and offensive skill but zero defense, he just can't
Wow, have you ever even watched Del Zotto play? His defense may not be great, but it's alot better than people give him credit for. He plays physical and his positioning isn't horrible for someone who was in their rookie season. He needs to work on the mental side of defense IMO. Seriously irritates me when people bash players without even seeing them...
I dont know why everyone is bashing Glen Sather in this Thread. He traded Scott Gomez, a player making 7.3 million dollars who should not make more than 5 million dollars a year and then signed a 7.5 million dollar player who scored 42 goals.. No Brainer
Then he gets a former first round pick who is going to be a real good shut down dman in this league.
We got Higgins who if he could put the puck in the net occasionally would be a solid player.
And dont forget Valentenko who has a shot at making this team in training camp.
Right now this Defense is young. Give it two years and it will be one of the leagues best.
Pyatt who I like will never be more than a 4th line player and I forget who else we traded.
Yes Sather is an awful GM. The only GM worse right now I would say is Darryl Sutter. He signed Gomez, Drury, Redden and Rozival to contracts far more than there worth. His mistakes will keep this Ranger team in CAP Hell the next two seasons however this trade is one of the good things he has done. I as a Ranger Fan have no regrets of this trade.
Getting Gomez and Pyatt, on top of enticing Gionta and Cammalleri definitely makes this a great trade for the Habs. Rangers love to mention Gaborik... that player could've been signed by dumping Redden or Drury, two much, much worst players and contracts. The trade was Gomez and Pyatt for Higgins and McDonagh, this has been nothing but good for the Habs up to now.
Getting Gomez and Pyatt, on top of enticing Gionta and Cammalleri definitely makes this a great trade for the Habs. Rangers love to mention Gaborik... that player could've been signed by dumping Redden or Drury, two much, much worst players and contracts. The trade was Gomez and Pyatt for Higgins and McDonagh, this has been nothing but good for the Habs up to now.
Are you telling me that trade enticed Camilleri and Gionta to sign with the Habs?
I dont believe it. They signed because no one else was willing to Pay Camilleri 5.9 million dollars and Gionta 5 million dollars.
You got a 2nd line center who makes way too much money for what he brings to the table, Pyatt, We got Higgins, McD and Valentenko.
Im not trolling but you sir are drinking to much Hab Koolaid. Believe me, Sather has made a ton of mistakes but this trade was not one of them.
Are you telling me that trade enticed Camilleri and Gionta to sign with the Habs?
I dont believe it. They signed because no one else was willing to Pay Camilleri 5.9 million dollars and Gionta 5 million dollars.
You got a 2nd line center who makes way too much money for what he brings to the table, Pyatt, We got Higgins, McD and Valentenko.
Im not trolling but you sir are drinking to much Hab Koolaid. Believe me, Sather has made a ton of mistakes but this trade was not one of them.
Never once that he mentionned the fact that Sather pull off a good or bad trade. All he stated was that getting Gomez and Pyatt never hurted our team but on the contrary, helped us become a better team. You should be happy that we gave you cap space for Gaborik and that McD is going to sign soon. Yes it was a good trade from Sather, but it's not a bad trade from Gainey either. At that time, the organization judged that PK Subban's development was better than McDo's, that's why we traded him. But, even today, PK Subban is a better prospect...that already played in the NHL.
Are you telling me that trade enticed Camilleri and Gionta to sign with the Habs?
Yeah I think he is. Considering both of them mentioned that the acquisition of Gomez factored into their decision.
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I dont believe it. They signed because no one else was willing to Pay Camilleri 5.9 million dollars and Gionta 5 million dollars.
Cammalleri had numerous offers on the table.
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You got a 2nd line center who makes way too much money for what he brings to the table, Pyatt, We got Higgins, McD and Valentenko.
Yes, Gomez is overpaid. But he is also our best centermen, our best puck rusher, our best play maker, and a valuable part of the locker room. Gomez filled a need we desperately needed on center, and him and Plekanec as 1 and 2 is great moving forward for what kind of club they are trying to build.
As of right now, Pyatt is superior to Higgins and Valentenko. Valentenko may never come back over, and even if he does, he is a bit of a long shot to make it. Higgins' career seems to be on the decline, and you ended up shipping him out the next season for a deadline rental. So what it boils down to really, was Gomez for McDonagh, I make that trade every single time.
Are you actually trying to argue that Gomez is a better player than Gaborik and that with Gomez instead the Rangers would've made the playoffs? Or even that we wouldn't have done as well in the playoffs with Gaborik instead of the almighty Scott Gomez?
There's being a fan of your team and it's players, and then there's being an idiot. I'll let you figure out which category you fall under.
Jesus
What part of is too hard for you to understand
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Are you telling me that trade enticed Camilleri and Gionta to sign with the Habs?
I dont believe it. They signed because no one else was willing to Pay Camilleri 5.9 million dollars and Gionta 5 million dollars.
You got a 2nd line center who makes way too much money for what he brings to the table, Pyatt, We got Higgins, McD and Valentenko.
Im not trolling but you sir are drinking to much Hab Koolaid. Believe me, Sather has made a ton of mistakes but this trade was not one of them.
I don't understand why so many people can't see that the Gomez trade was won by both teams. Both teams improved. Both teams would do the trade again.
Of course I would rather have kept gomez and figured out a way to move Drury and/or redden but their salaries and drury nmc made that extremely difficult. Rangers were in a terrible position due to Sather's terrible signings. He did the best he could to dig the team out of the hole he dug.
Gomez clicks in Montreal. When a player clicks you don't mind overpaying for them as much. That salary is much more reasonable on Montreal than New York because he wasn't feeling it in New York for whatever reason.
One of the most mutually beneficial trades in recent memory IMO. And if McD develops into a #4 D man I still think both sides do the trade again.
I don't understand why so many people can't see that the Gomez trade was won by both teams. Both teams improved. Both teams would do the trade again.
Of course I would rather have kept gomez and figured out a way to move Drury and/or redden but their salaries and drury nmc made that extremely difficult. Rangers were in a terrible position due to Sather's terrible signings. He did the best he could to dig the team out of the hole he dug.
Gomez clicks in Montreal. When a player clicks you don't mind overpaying for them as much. That salary is much more reasonable on Montreal than New York because he wasn't feeling it in New York for whatever reason.
One of the most mutually beneficial trades in recent memory IMO. And if McD develops into a #4 D man I still think both sides do the trade again.
just out of curiosity who are the rags top 2 centers going into training camp--is it still prospal and drury?
I don't understand why so many people can't see that the Gomez trade was won by both teams. Both teams improved. Both teams would do the trade again.
Of course I would rather have kept gomez and figured out a way to move Drury and/or redden but their salaries and drury nmc made that extremely difficult. Rangers were in a terrible position due to Sather's terrible signings. He did the best he could to dig the team out of the hole he dug.
Gomez clicks in Montreal. When a player clicks you don't mind overpaying for them as much. That salary is much more reasonable on Montreal than New York because he wasn't feeling it in New York for whatever reason.
One of the most mutually beneficial trades in recent memory IMO. And if McD develops into a #4 D man I still think both sides do the trade again.
It's too bad people ridiculed Gainey for this move for months before this reasoning started surfacing
