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07-23-2010, 11:00 PM
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Niskanen sucked big time for the first half of his 2nd season, but really turned it on down the stretch and was very very good during that time.
Seriously? Seriously? We must have been watching two different Stars teams, because the one I watched had a Niskanen who was dreadful from the first game to the 82nd.

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Oh, so offense is the only thing we should be concerned about? What does that do to address his defensive awesomeness?
No, but his puck moving ability and overall offense will be the biggest factor if he remains in the NHL long term, not his defense.

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Seriously? Seriously? We must have been watching two different Stars teams, because the one I watched had a Niskanen who was dreadful from the first game to the 82nd.
In 08-09 he had a strong second half especially offensively. He struggled all of last season, there is no question about it.

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Seriously? Seriously? We must have been watching two different Stars teams, because the one I watched had a Niskanen who was dreadful from the first game to the 82nd.
I think more than likely a horrible first half led you to pick apart niskanens game closer than most other players and cloud your view of his stronger performances in the 2nd half of the season.

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I think more than likely a horrible first half led you to pick apart niskanens game closer than most other players and cloud your view of his stronger performances in the 2nd half of the season.
Now there's a possibility.

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Because of the glut of natural left wingers on the roster and the varying nature of their styles, I'm going to continue to say that Morrow needs to be a guy who can bring his game to the RW position. There is nothing about his style that says he must play LW to be effective. Furthermore, if it meant that Brunnstrom could play on the left side of Ribeiro it could lead to that line as a whole sinking or swimming.
No. Please. Brendan is a left winger, and that should not be compromised, least of which for Brunnstrom. For as much flack as we give Crow about what he does, even Babcock understood where he needed to play Morrow for him to be effective.

Morrow has an obvious strong side and weakside IMO. I don't see him being close to effective in the break out or around the net on his backhand. Not only would he be awkward and uncomfortable, but he doesn't have the skating ability to 'reset' the breakout in the event the pass is behind him, requiring him to circle back and look for the outlet. I would be praying he circles back and drops it to the D rather than watching the inevitable turnover. It's mostly about comfort, minimizing turnovers at the blueline and getting the puck on to Ribs' stick as quick as possible.

I think a left handed player is also far more effective on the forecheck from the LW side. They feel far more comfortable cutting to the right and using the right shoulder to make contact with the defender on the forecheck; it's more natural and IMO the physical side of the game comes more natural to Brendan (than most) and it would be advantageous for Dallas to continue to inflict that upon opponents.

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No. Please. Brendan is a left winger, and that should not be compromised, least of which for Brunnstrom.
I guess we're just going to disagree on the Morrow thing. The way I see it, even if Morrow becomes less effective on the right side, if he does so by opening up a spot for a better left winger then it will help the team as a whole. It may minimize Morrow's offensive effectiveness, but if the overall production of his line increases it is worth it.

As far as "least of which for Brunnstrom" goes, I get where you're coming from. I just disagree with it. If Morrow can slide over to the ride side and still pop 15-20 goals and if (yes, a big if), but if Brunnstrom can take advantage of riding on the left side of Ribeiro to the tune of 25+ goals then that line returns to being a dynamic scoring line with a scoring threat on either side of center.

I'm not at all concerned with Morrow having proven himself as a left winger in this league. To me this isn't about having earned anything, it's about what gives the team the best chance now. I'm not saying moving him to RW necessarily does, but it might and it's at least worth looking at.

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07-24-2010, 01:32 PM
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How would Brunnstrom end up on Ribeiro's wing, though?

Even if Morrow switched over a la Eriksson, you still have Neal and Benn taking the two top-6 spots. Maybe on the PP unit Brunnstrom could see more time, but unless he's the one switching to RW, he won't see a whole lot of action in the top 6 this year.

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Benn will be staying at center. So as of now he's pegged for the third line center spot and probably will play with Ott and Burish.

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How would Brunnstrom end up on Ribeiro's wing, though?

Even if Morrow switched over a la Eriksson, you still have Neal and Benn taking the two top-6 spots. Maybe on the PP unit Brunnstrom could see more time, but unless he's the one switching to RW, he won't see a whole lot of action in the top 6 this year.
I'm assuming the N-R-E line stays intact (whether or not that's the right thing is up for debate). I also think the Stars do view Benn as a center now, or at least they want him to fail at it before they move him back to the wing. So that basically nullifies Neal or Benn from that vacant spot on Ribeiro's wing.

I hate looking at these things, but there's no way around it. With Brunnstrom moving up, this is how I would see things looking:

Neal-Richards-Eriksson
Brunnstrom-Ribeiro-Morrow
Ott-Benn-Burish
*Barch-Wandell-Lehtinen**

* I wouldn't play him here, or really ever, but I think he plays more than he sits.
** I still think Lehts comes back, but I certainly don't see him as a viable option on a scoring line at this point.

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Lehtinen is definitely a 4th-line/PK specialist this late into his career

...And he'll still wind up injured for 20-30 games

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I'm assuming the N-R-E line stays intact (whether or not that's the right thing is up for debate). I also think the Stars do view Benn as a center now, or at least they want him to fail at it before they move him back to the wing. So that basically nullifies Neal or Benn from that vacant spot on Ribeiro's wing.

I hate looking at these things, but there's no way around it. With Brunnstrom moving up, this is how I would see things looking:

Neal-Richards-Eriksson
Brunnstrom-Ribeiro-Morrow
Ott-Benn-Burish
*Barch-Wandell-Lehtinen**

* I wouldn't play him here, or really ever, but I think he plays more than he sits.
** I still think Lehts comes back, but I certainly don't see him as a viable option on a scoring line at this point.
You forgot Segal and Petersen, who will both see legitimate time on the 4th line, with Segal occasionally getting time with Morrow and Ribeiro.

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You forgot Segal and Petersen, who will both see legitimate time on the 4th line, with Segal occasionally getting time with Morrow and Ribeiro.
I didn't forget them. As mentioned above, Lehtinen will be in and out of the lineup if he signs. Barch will get scratched occasionally for a better player (I put him in the lineup because the team went out of their way to re-sign him and he makes more $$ than Segal or Petersen). Wandell's spot in the lineup is merely contingent upon health. There really just isn't anywhere for Segal or Petersen IF Brunnstrom plays and plays up the lineup. Again, I'm not saying what will happen, but what I see happening in a perfect 'everything comes together' world.

Segal riding shotgun on Ribeiro's line is an utter waste IMO. At least Brunnstrom has scoring potential yet unrealized.

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Benn will be staying at center. So as of now he's pegged for the third line center spot and probably will play with Ott and Burish.
I agree that Benn will stay in that role, but why are people somewhat fixated on Ott being the LW on the third line?

I recognize he's not being paid 3M to be a 4th line player, but I also found him effective in stints with Ribeiro and Morrow on the 2nd unit. I think his speed and play along the boards make him the best natural LW to transition to the right side. Why do we need to double up the ****heads on one line? I know Burish is not Avery, but I don't like the idea of two agitators being on the same line, especially when Benn at center has the physical element to his game.

I proposed Brunnstrom on line 3 LW with Benn and Burish in the Brunnstrom signing thread. I feel it gives 2 dynamic young players a chance to find some chemistry rather than competing with one another for spots in the top 6. Opinion obviously but with the 3 B's, I see a good balance of skill, grit, character, and 2 way play (Benn/Burish mainly).

Edit: if Brunnstrom or Benn ever found a spark, maybe Burish is moved down the lineup to accommodate for a forward with greater offensive aptitude while not sacrificing the sandpaper as in Segal, Sutherby or Ott.


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Benn will be staying at center. So as of now he's pegged for the third line center spot and probably will play with Ott and Burish.
That has "disaster" written all over it in 72 pt Comic Sans.

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I guess we're just going to disagree on the Morrow thing. The way I see it, even if Morrow becomes less effective on the right side, if he does so by opening up a spot for a better left winger then it will help the team as a whole. It may minimize Morrow's offensive effectiveness, but if the overall production of his line increases it is worth it.

As far as "least of which for Brunnstrom" goes, I get where you're coming from. I just disagree with it. If Morrow can slide over to the ride side and still pop 15-20 goals and if (yes, a big if), but if Brunnstrom can take advantage of riding on the left side of Ribeiro to the tune of 25+ goals then that line returns to being a dynamic scoring line with a scoring threat on either side of center.

I'm not at all concerned with Morrow having proven himself as a left winger in this league. To me this isn't about having earned anything, it's about what gives the team the best chance now. I'm not saying moving him to RW necessarily does, but it might and it's at least worth looking at.
I'd agree that taking a chance on something that can make the team better is worth it. For that reason I love the Lehtonen signing as a good calculated risk-reward. I'm not opposed to what you've proposed re:Brunnstrom on line 2 LW, it's just my opinion that Ribeiro, Morrow is one of the more unique and relatively proven 2nd line combos in the league. I'm not opposed to switching it up if we can find a better, more highly productive unit by infusing Brunnstrom on the left side, I'm just saying I'd be weary of more defensive gafs and overall less impact on the part of Brendan from the RW. Fans already sell him short and I feel this would be a difficult transition for him to make for reason stated in the last post (which, BTW I was not trying to hardsell you on with the use of the word 'far' like 8 times; I should edit).

Morrow's last 2 full seasons come out to an average of 26 goals even with last year being a strange one for injury recovery and Ribeiro on the shelf for a period of time. Had Brunnstrom scored 20 goals last year I'd be right on board with this, but I'm not convinced 25+ is a reasonable expectation especially at the cost of a guarenteed 20 - 25 that Morrow will certainly bag ya.


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That has "disaster" written all over it in 72 pt Comic Sans.
It's definitely not optimal, but given the stated intention of playing Benn at center that's kind of where guys slot in. They're paying Ott 2nd line money and Nieuwendyk said he envisions Burish "taking a bigger bite" as far as his role on the Stars versus his role on the Hawks.

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Morrow's last 2 full seasons come out to an average of 26 goals even with last year being a strange one for injury recovery and Ribeiro on the shelf for a period of time. Had Brunnstrom scored 20 goals last year I'd be right on board with this, but I'm not convinced 25+ is a reasonable expectation especially at the cost of a guarenteed 20 - 25 that Morrow will certainly bag ya.
Yeah, I'm kind of just brainstorming with a dash of optimism regarding Brunnstrom.

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It's definitely not optimal, but given the stated intention of playing Benn at center that's kind of where guys slot in. They're paying Ott 2nd line money and Nieuwendyk said he envisions Burish "taking a bigger bite" as far as his role on the Stars versus his role on the Hawks.
If Joe seriously plans on keeping Benn at center, making him 3rd on the depth chart the majority of the year, then he's gotta have something planned for one of Richards or Ribeiro, maybe to fix the back end.

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Benn will be staying at center. So as of now he's pegged for the third line center spot and probably will play with Ott and Burish.
If true, benn will be lucky to match last year . I hope
they are not ruining a good player by turning him nto something he is not

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If Joe seriously plans on keeping Benn at center, making him 3rd on the depth chart the majority of the year, then he's gotta have something planned for one of Richards or Ribeiro, maybe to fix the back end.

According to Bob Sturm the Stars would love to trade Ribeiro and more recent Ribeiro has no trade value.
We'll have to see what happens, I thought before Ribeiro had little trade value and Richards the Stars want to re-sign. Only way I see Richards traded at this point if he asks for a trade, or he tells the Stars he won't re-sign.
Either way Richards has more trade value when his cap hit is much smaller at the trade deadline.


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Edit: if Brunnstrom or Benn ever found a spark, maybe Burish is moved down the lineup to accommodate for a forward with greater offensive aptitude while not sacrificing the sandpaper as in Segal, Sutherby or Ott.
Sutherby's injures sacrifice his sandpaper more then anything else, Segal isn't that good, but better then Barch. There is no one they can put in that spot right now that would provide any more offense then Burish. *

I don't think Vincour is a legit option to make next years team and if Ribeiro is traded, which I'm not counting on with the recent comments from Sturm, then it would clear up a bit on the lines, while maybe improving the defense.

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I just think it is laughable that Ribs has no trade value but hey what do I know?

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I just think it is laughable that Ribs has no trade value but hey what do I know?
Have to see if it's true or not, since the Stars would like to get some value out of trading him, which means not taking a awful contract back in return, unless they desperately want that player.

Three more years at five million per at first doesn't lead to good value when you aren't a elite player and second when you have problems (if it's injures/off the ice etc). It really diminishes the trade value.

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Schenn is worth more than Krejci. There's nobody on Boston I'd want for Schenn. We need a scoring winger with size, and Horton was just acquired + injury prone of late.. who knows how he'll produce in a serious market either..

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