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05-31-2004, 04:50 PM
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The owners complain about the rising costs in hockey, but they are the ones offering the contracts. Now they are pointing their collective fingers at the players, stating that a cap is required on the playerís salaries since they (the owners) canít control their own spending. They are basically deflecting the blame away from themselves. If they donít want the league to lose hundreds of millions of dollars (like they are complaining about), stop offering ridiculous contracts.
You got this part wrong. The owners are complaining that the current market for players is too high (in other words, that the salary structure within the current rules doesn't reflect the ability to pay). There are a number of reasons why the value of contracts is higher than the ability to pay. Anyway, the owners are saying that they need new rules to put the player market at what it should be (a cap of % of revenues). They're pointing at the players because of course the players don't want to change what is a positive market to them.

Like I wrote earlier on, the contracts aren't ridiculous for the specific teams offering them. They are ridiculous for a league's balance.

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You got this part wrong. The owners are complaining that the current market for players is too high (in other words, that the salary structure within the current rules doesn't reflect the ability to pay). There are a number of reasons why the value of contracts is higher than the ability to pay. Anyway, the owners are saying that they need new rules to put the player market at what it should be (a cap of % of revenues). They're pointing at the players because of course the players don't want to change what is a positive market to them.

Like I wrote earlier on, the contracts aren't ridiculous for the specific teams offering them. They are ridiculous for a league's balance.
Ya, I agree. But as some people state, it is the owners who got into this mess and it's unfair that the players are the ones who have to "suffer". But it was unfair the other way (benifiting the players) for the last decade or so as the nhl went into debt. I was just pointing out the hypocrasy in the league and trying to show that things wont fix themselves, as some seem to think.

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The bad guys in this story are undeniably the NHL owners who are looking to lock out their employees in order to form a new agreement between themselves and the players that protects themselves from their own stupidity.

No matter how you cut it, the owners are the ones whose shoddy administration has resulted in the situation that currently exists.

I personally see absolutely no reason that the NHL players should be penalized with a hard salary cap - eliminating their right to a competitive job market - just because the owners have made poor business decisions in the past.
So the players that made tons of money off those poor business decisions are laughing all the way to the bank, arent they.

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The bad guys in this story are undeniably the NHL owners who are looking to lock out their employees in order to form a new agreement between themselves and the players that protects themselves from their own stupidity.

No matter how you cut it, the owners are the ones whose shoddy administration has resulted in the situation that currently exists.

I personally see absolutely no reason that the NHL players should be penalized with a hard salary cap - eliminating their right to a competitive job market - just because the owners have made poor business decisions in the past.
How are the players being penalized? They will only be able to make $1M per season on average instead of the $1.7M they get now? That is quite a penalty, considering that if the owners don't get a CBA that controls spending, they are going to need to find normal jobs like the rest of us have, and you know how much those pay...

You can blame the owners all you want, but the owners and the players both need each other to form a solution. If the shoe was on the other foot, do you think the players would be willing to play or would they shut down the league to get their way? Opps, the players did shut down the league before...

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