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07-19-2010, 11:11 AM
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Briere and Giroux at center in our top 9 is a recipe for disaster if we play Washington or Pittsburgh.
Briere is, but I don't agree Giroux would be. Hes always been reliable on defense. Don't forget the stick lift of Reechi in Game 4 of the Boston series that literally saved our season.

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That might be the most pathetic thing I've ever read on this board. And I'm not laughing at you, just the fact at how bad our C's are defensively that someone actually typed that ridiculous sentence. WTF is all the preaching about being deep down the middle from the front office if they don't play both ends??? ****ing stupid.
It's not that our centers are that bad defensively, it's that they're physically limited in what they can do. It's that two of them are best suited for the wing on this team and that we need to put someone in a role to be defense first where it doesn't sacrifice that guy's offensive talent.

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07-19-2010, 11:12 AM
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ive got to agree, just because carter is a tall center people thing he is blocking passing lane and causing take aways left and right. The truth is, he is a pretty agile guy for his size. Giroux does a better job stopping passes and picking them off (or even just preventing them from ever happening!)
Carter is more similar to JVR than Richards or giroux.

lets not even call carter size down the middle, giroux plays with more size
moving carter to LW could be a really good thing. especially when you put him on an insanely good line (carter-richards-zherdev) that line would SCORE BIG TIME.

can briere handle center? (i think when he wants to he has shown he can...and i think with lavy he will)
can giroux handle center? (absolutely! i think this is a hugely important time in this kid's developement. He has the potential to play litterally every facet of the game. Sticking him on wing when he is so fast and good in our zone/amazing with the puck/the best passer we have would be a terrible terrible waste of his future!)
I sort of hope we move Carter to wing just so I can say "I told you so" next year when we're struggling against the better teams as Briere and Giroux are struggling to contain anyone defensively.

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It doesn't.

Gagne for Williams is literally the most stupid ******** rumor I've ever seen.

Even for Eklund, that's a pretty moronic rumor. It can't possibly work or make sense.

In that trade:
-We downgrade Gagne's offense significantly.
-We downgrade Gagne's defense significantly.
-We lose Gagne's locker room presence.
-And we don't even free up enough cap room to be compliant.

Again, the dumbest rumor I've ever seen. Words cannot describe how ******** it actually is.
Our GM is Paul Holmgren... that trade makes perfect sense. He has a cap problem and no real goalie, but the man is utterly married to the concept of three scoring lines. So, trade out a higher priced forward for a cheaper forward.

Whether it happens or not... 'nother question.

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Which means it's true.

Homer is an awful GM.
Doubtful. It can't possibly be true.

Even if Homer flirts dangerously close to the cap to the point where he's forced to forgo other pieces, he can't possibly go over. It's a league rule.

So no, the rumor is completely false on grounds that it is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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**** I did not want Kovy back in NJ

Mike Leighton vs Crosby, Malkin, Gaborik, Parise, Kovy , Tavares, Staal

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Maybe they make it a package surrounding Gagne and Williams or something like that. Eklund has been almost perfect this offseason, oddly enough.
That's not even close to true.

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**** I did not want Kovy back in NJ

Mike Leighton vs Crosby, Malkin, Gaborik, Parise, Kovy , Tavares, Staal
One of these things is not like the other.

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If Eklund is correct -- BIG IF -- that would mean another big contract would have to be moved... The $1.75M wouldn't bring the Flyers up to being Cap compliant, let alone allow them to sign Powe... and forget another goalie.

I agree that it make no sense whatsoever.

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07-19-2010, 11:14 AM
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Briere is, but I don't agree Giroux would be. Hes always been reliable on defense. Don't forget the stick lift of Reechi in Game 4 of the Boston series that literally saved our season.
Giroux competes defensively (which Briere does not do), but he isn't "good" defensively. Some of that is that he isn't a true center... dude didn't start playing it until he got here. Sure, he looks good with the puck going forward, but he's behind the ball as far as muscle memory instincts on the other side of the puck.

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07-19-2010, 11:15 AM
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Maybe they make it a package surrounding Gagne and Williams or something like that. Eklund has been almost perfect this offseason, oddly enough.
It's easy to always be right when you basically re-tweet Lebrun and Dredger.

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Doubtful. It can't possibly be true.

Even if Homer flirts dangerously close to the cap to the point where he's forced to forgo other pieces, he can't possibly go over. It's a league rule.

So no, the rumor is completely false on grounds that it is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
...what?

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07-19-2010, 11:16 AM
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Kovy Link:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=327880

Just thought I'd throw a link up.

Now, what does Gagne and Homer do from here.... kinda scary.

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What would the odds be of Gagné for Williams + Quick + 2nd/decent prospect, then Holmgren waiving Williams? I don't know why salary would be a determining factor with LA, given their cap space, but ...

This has been such a crazy off-season, I don't know what Holmgren is going to pull out of an orifice.

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Giroux competes defensively (which Briere does not do), but he isn't "good" defensively. Some of that is that he isn't a true center... dude didn't start playing it until he got here. Sure, he looks good with the puck going forward, but he's behind the ball as far as muscle memory instincts on the other side of the puck.
I didn't say Giroux was good, I said hes reliable. Briere is completely clueless sometimes though.

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...Well, Mike Richards is exceptional defensively, just not that big a dude. Briere and Giroux are both midgets... and neither is very good defensively. Personally, I'd prefer a third line C, but Richards, Carter, Briere/Giroux, and Betts is pretty damn good depth down the middle. It just gets small fast if you put Carter on the wing. Additionally, Carter is a quality two-way player.
With Richards being the only C that plays any real defense, then just how "deep" are we at C? And most of them can't win a faceoff with any regularity. So we're deep with talent, but not overall talent at C.

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What would the odds be of Gagné for Williams + Quick + 2nd/decent prospect, then Holmgren waiving Williams?

Roughly 5,000,000 to 1, and that might be low.

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One of these things is not like the other.
Facing Leighton 6 times a year the definition of goal scorer drops

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If Eklund is correct -- BIG IF -- that would mean another big contract would have to be moved... The $1.75M wouldn't bring the Flyers up to being Cap compliant, let alone allow them to sign Powe... and forget another goalie.

I agree that it make no sense whatsoever.
That $1.75 would put them just a shade over the cap. Like within $100,000.

Move Carcillo in the deal for any entry level contract and you are cap compliant. Bonus points if you re-sign Powe for $700k and use him as your 13th forward.

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Doubtful. It can't possibly be true.

Even if Homer flirts dangerously close to the cap to the point where he's forced to forgo other pieces, he can't possibly go over. It's a league rule.

So no, the rumor is completely false on grounds that it is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
No **** it's a league rule. He can trade Gagne for Williams and NOT go over the cap by only making a small deal with Carcillo, Lappy or Shelley.

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Roughly 5,000,000 to 1, and that might be low.
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=327880

Just thought I'd throw a link up.

Now, what does Gagne and Homer do from here.... kinda scary.
Gagne value should be up because he went to NJ.

LA, Leafs, Tampa, NYR still interested.

P.S I wonder if Devils waive Elias?

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No **** it's a league rule. He can trade Gagne for Williams and NOT go over the cap by only making a small deal with Carcillo, Lappy or Shelley.
And then not have enough money to sign another player for a full roster?

No. A league rule is still a league rule.

It won't happen.

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With Richards being the only C that plays any real defense, then just how "deep" are we at C? And most of them can't win a faceoff with any regularity. So we're deep with talent, but not overall talent at C.
Ah, Jeff Carter has developed into a quality defensive C. He's not a world beater, but he's better than most. He also has the size and reach to play defensively against bigger guys, which is something that even Richards struggles with.

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What would the odds be of Gagné for Williams + Quick + 2nd/decent prospect, then Holmgren waiving Williams? I don't know why salary would be a determining factor with LA, given their cap space, but ...

This has been such a crazy off-season, I don't know what Holmgren is going to pull out of an orifice.
Don't be silly, our backs are to the wall.

What's Williams' cap hit? If trading him for Gagne and maybe a pick left us room to sign Turco, it would probably be worth it, much as it hurts to say it.

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...Well, Mike Richards is exceptional defensively, just not that big a dude. Briere and Giroux are both midgets... and neither is very good defensively. Personally, I'd prefer a third line C, but Richards, Carter, Briere/Giroux, and Betts is pretty damn good depth down the middle. It just gets small fast if you put Carter on the wing. Additionally, Carter is a quality two-way player.
I wouldn't call Giroux a midget. He's 5'11, 185 pounds. He's about 10 pounds lighter than Richards. And when you consider that he's still only 22, he should be able to add another 10 to 15 pounds and that's a solid center.

Joe Sakic wasn't the biggest of centers either and Giroux is about the same size as Joe. And Sakic was one of the best in the game at one time and his size wasn't an issue.

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