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07-11-2010, 12:10 AM
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If you want to judge his play in the Playoffs thats fine, but don't give me the goal scoring pace he was on because thats meaningless in such a small sample size.
Nah dude you're wrong. This one game against the Rangers this year he had a hat trick and was on pace for 246 goals. Just think about that. 246 goals. We can't trade that.

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07-11-2010, 12:43 AM
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If you want to judge his play in the Playoffs thats fine, but don't give me the goal scoring pace he was on because thats meaningless in such a small sample size.
Send him to the glue factory, he's done.

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07-11-2010, 04:57 AM
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If you want to judge his play in the Playoffs thats fine, but don't give me the goal scoring pace he was on because thats meaningless in such a small sample size.
What is a good sample size?

Gagne has averaged X amount of goals, per year, since the lock out. What is X? That is what counts. Regressing towards the mean.

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07-11-2010, 06:25 AM
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Zherdev is going to light the lamp, it's just a shame that we're going to lose a key piece of the puzzle.

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07-11-2010, 06:57 AM
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Ranger fan here. I was thrilled when the Rangers traded for Z, and of the majority in the Rangers fan community, I was one of those who gave him the benefit of the doubt for the longest time, while others in turn were turning against him.

Bottom line is that the guy has the talent, but he's selfish, plain and simple. He absolutely disappeared in the playoffs, and I mean like almost literally. Absolutely worthless in the playoffs.

That said, he'll score some highlight-reel regular season goals for you guys, and he's a very underrated passer as well. The issue I see is his attitude compared to the rest of the Flyers, at least as I perceive them. Polar opposite to the team mentality the Flyers thrive in, I think. He's a floater, he barely if ever backchecks, and he was 'satisfied' with his season with the Rangers. And while he led the team in points, that's not saying much at all considering we couldn't score goals that season.

I see Z either totally and completely thriving in Philly and becoming the steal of the decade for you guys, or I see him completely falling off and get basically run out of the locker room. There's no grey areas with this guy, it's one extreme or the other.

Good luck with him, and btw, if anyone is interested in any valuable Zherdev cards, I have quite a few I'd be willing to sell cheap that I bought thinking he was going to be a long-time Ranger.

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07-11-2010, 09:03 AM
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Send him to the glue factory, he's done.
Hes not done, but I just don't understand the logic of hanging on to a player whose on the downside of his career when theres a trade market for him and we need to free up cap room. I understand a lot of people love Gagne, but theres no need to be irrational over the situation.

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07-11-2010, 09:05 AM
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What is a good sample size?

Gagne has averaged X amount of goals, per year, since the lock out. What is X? That is what counts. Regressing towards the mean.
40 games usually tells a pretty fair story. 19 however, doesn't

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07-11-2010, 01:58 PM
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Ranger fan here. I was thrilled when the Rangers traded for Z, and of the majority in the Rangers fan community, I was one of those who gave him the benefit of the doubt for the longest time, while others in turn were turning against him.

Bottom line is that the guy has the talent, but he's selfish, plain and simple. He absolutely disappeared in the playoffs, and I mean like almost literally. Absolutely worthless in the playoffs.

That said, he'll score some highlight-reel regular season goals for you guys, and he's a very underrated passer as well. The issue I see is his attitude compared to the rest of the Flyers, at least as I perceive them. Polar opposite to the team mentality the Flyers thrive in, I think. He's a floater, he barely if ever backchecks, and he was 'satisfied' with his season with the Rangers. And while he led the team in points, that's not saying much at all considering we couldn't score goals that season.

I see Z either totally and completely thriving in Philly and becoming the steal of the decade for you guys, or I see him completely falling off and get basically run out of the locker room. There's no grey areas with this guy, it's one extreme or the other.

Good luck with him, and btw, if anyone is interested in any valuable Zherdev cards, I have quite a few I'd be willing to sell cheap that I bought thinking he was going to be a long-time Ranger.
If he plays like an uninspired piece of garbage it won't hurt the Flyers because they have another 7 very solid forwards. Plus, Zherdev knows what he's getting into and the locker room and the coach that he'll be playing for. He could have chosen a lot of teams for that price but he chose this one. He knows what his reputation is and he's going to a team with very strong leadership and he wants to resurrect his career so I think he'll be fine. He's still a young guy and he's going into the perfect situation really, a strong team with strong forwards where he won't be relied on for scoring. He could be anywhere from the 1st to the 3rd line but I'm excited to see him play.

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07-11-2010, 02:35 PM
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Is there going to be a press conference?

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07-11-2010, 03:08 PM
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There is some statistical evidence that baseball free agents that resign with their original club outperform free agents that change teams, The theory is that there is informational asymmetry, that is the players team choose not to keep have issues that only their current team knows.

Could that possibly be the case with Gagne? Could it be that the Flyers have information that makes them think he's too big a risk that we or other teams don't have.
Eh, he's clearly a risk going forward... and there's no way we should be interested in another big, long contract with him. However, I'm not sure creating a cap situation where you basically have to move him makes a whole lot of sense either... especially when he was out built in cap space for next year.

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07-12-2010, 12:50 AM
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And you're kidding yourself.
Without hesitation, Zherdev could possibly be one of the most talented players in the league. The problem is that he just doesn't have it on display 24/7 like Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin. He's also not as much of a physical specimen as much as those guys are.

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Without hesitation, Zherdev could possibly be one of the most talented players in the league. The problem is that he just doesn't have it on display 24/7 like Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin. He's also not as much of a physical specimen as much as those guys are.
...then you're not one of the most talented players in the league. It isn't a skills competition, it's a game where substance matters more than how you look in warmups. He has a career high of 27 goals (a good total), that's not getting you into the "most talented players in the league" conversation.

Especially when you're an empty shirt in the other direction.

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07-12-2010, 01:14 AM
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Something tells me Carter and Zherdev won't get along well on ice.

Don't know why, just a feeling.

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07-12-2010, 01:21 AM
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does anyone get along with carter on the ice?

edit: or even off the ice?

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does anyone get along with carter on the ice?

edit: or even off the ice?
Yep, everyone hates him.

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If he was a dick to me at the trial on the isle, I would've harrassed the **** out of him

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If he was a dick to me at the trial on the isle, I would've harrassed the **** out of him


Bet you wouldn't have, but whatever. Personally, I couldn't care less about what these guys are like off the ice as long as they aren't assaulting people.

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07-12-2010, 02:10 AM
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I definitely would. He's gotta be too smart to like take a swing at me, even if he did what a great story it would be, might get some money too.

Jester, was it you that said something about liking to get Zherdev like a month ago. I didn't think it was at all a possibility but good call.


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07-12-2010, 02:34 AM
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I definitely would. He's gotta be too smart to like take a swing at me, even if he did what a great story it would be, might get some money too.

Jester, was it you that said something about liking to get Zherdev like a month ago. I didn't think it was at all a possibility but good call.
You're pretty lame for this.

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Bet you wouldn't have, but whatever. Personally, I couldn't care less about what these guys are like off the ice as long as they aren't assaulting people.
briere must be really fat or something

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07-12-2010, 03:11 AM
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Assuming we trade Gagne for picks or he gets waived:

JVR-Richards-Zherdev
Leino-Briere-Hartnell
Nodl-Carter-Giroux
Lappy-Betts-Carcillo/Powe (one or the other)
Shelley

Pronger-Mezaros
Timonen-Coburn
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briere must be really fat or something
or pale lol

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pronger will smack him around if he doesnt listen.

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Something tells me Carter and Zherdev won't get along well on ice.

Don't know why, just a feeling.
Because their games are too similar offensively? Zherdev likes to be the man, as does Carter, and there can usually only be one man.

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Because their games are too similar offensively? Zherdev likes to be the man, as does Carter, and there can usually only be one man.
Good point. It might be my perception, but it seems as though Carter really shines when Richards is out of the lineup.

If Zherdev needs to be THE guy, he's waiting in line behind Richards, Carter, and potentially (hopefully) Giroux and JVR.

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