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07-09-2010, 07:53 PM
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Not a chance. Roy is on one of the best contracts in the NHL and is a 70-ish point threat every season, not to mention center not being a deep position for the Sabres.
Very, very true - all one needs to do is go back to the press conference the Sabres held in the wake of that Roy signing and see how much Quinn was glowing with pride and the "see, we know what we're doing" smirks he gave the media.

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Until the Boston Series, the sabres were like 30-1 going into the 3rd with a lead. They didn't hang on to those leads by 'preaching defense', they did it with 5 guys lined up in the neutral zone.
mostly 4, but hey that is splitting hairs I guess

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07-09-2010, 07:54 PM
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If Ruff and Co. are absolutely convinced that Ennis is a center in the NHL and think he's ready to handle the duty this year, then I'd be all over a Regehr for Connolly+ swap.

Would leave out top 6 awfully thin if one of them gets injured, but I'd LOVE to pair Regehr with Myers for the next few years....
Which they aren't. He played LW pretty exclusively at camp this past week.

Regardless of this deal, which is lacking in logic, we need another Top 6 center.

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07-09-2010, 07:57 PM
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Which they aren't. He played LW pretty exclusively at camp this past week.
In which case, then Regehr for a C makes no sense on this end

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07-09-2010, 08:01 PM
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Until the Boston Series, the sabres were like 30-1 going into the 3rd with a lead. They didn't hang on to those leads by 'preaching defense', they did it with 5 guys lined up in the neutral zone.
a) It was an undefeated record going into the playoffs.

b) The 06-07 Sabres were undefeated with a 2 goal lead at any point in the game. Did they trap? That record alone means nothing.

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07-09-2010, 08:13 PM
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WTF happened in the playoffs then? I think we lost 3 games we had the lead in.
What the hell does that have to do with what is being discussed?

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07-09-2010, 08:21 PM
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No he didn't. Not even close.

I expect your negativity. Its as predictable as the sun rising But at least know what your taling about. They never played a Lemaire like system.

It is, he was quoted as saying Minnesota was his favorite team to watch. He picked up the system completely at the Team canada summer camp last year. He and Lemaire were both assistants.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.

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07-09-2010, 08:25 PM
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It is, he was quoted as saying Minnesota was his favorite team to watch. He picked up the system completely at the Team canada summer camp last year. He and Lemaire were both assistants.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.
That is so incredibly false. The real quote is how the coaches for Canada learned from each other - including the head coach, who happened to be Mike Babcock, whose system was much closer to what Ruff employed in Buffalo.

But have fun twisting reality.


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07-09-2010, 08:34 PM
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a) It was an undefeated record going into the playoffs.

b) The 06-07 Sabres were undefeated with a 2 goal lead at any point in the game. Did they trap? That record alone means nothing.
I'm sorry, are you really saying that the sabres didn't trap with a lead last season?

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07-09-2010, 08:41 PM
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I'm sorry, are you really saying that the sabres didn't trap with a lead last season?
I'm saying that posting a record and using it as evidence that the Sabres trapped is BS. I have a statistics degree. I HATE seeing statistics abused. Sorry.

With the lead, yes, the Sabres played very defensively. As most NHL teams do. Hardly a basis of accusing them of ape-ing Lemaire.

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I'm saying that posting a record and using it as evidence that the Sabres trapped is BS. I have a statistics degree. I HATE seeing statistics abused. Sorry.

With the lead, yes, the Sabres played very defensively. As most NHL teams do. Hardly a basis of accusing them of ape-ing Lemaire.
Got the wrong guy. I never claimed they were 'ape-ing' Lemaire. I just said they used a trap last year a lot of the time. It's not like Lemaire invented the trap.

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Got the wrong guy. I never claimed they were 'ape-ing' Lemaire. I just said they used a trap last year a lot of the time. It's not like Lemaire invented the trap.
Doesn't change the fact that just quoting a record says nothing - which is why my original comment was made.

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Doesn't change the fact that just quoting a record says nothing - which is why my original comment was made.
I'll have to remember you do this. You don't want to be wrong about the trap so you're right about the application of statistics?

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I'll have to remember you do this. You don't want to be wrong about the trap so you're right about the application of statistics?


The original comment was made about the application of the stat. There's a reason I quoted YOU instead of the original poster who commented about the trap with that.

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07-09-2010, 09:43 PM
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Regehr certainly is appealing for his toughness and character - qualities the Sabres are short on. However, if Regier makes a trade for him, the odds of him getting a PP defenseman or scoring winger basically go from slim to nil - and those are greater needs to address IMO.

On top of that, just as many have said on the boards, it does not seem at all likely that Regier plans to give up on either of his "top 20" centers.

After the signings of Jokinen & Tanguay, I saw on TSN that the Flames are in serious cap trouble at the moment - so, while I can see Sutter in all his genius being willing to deal Regehr and his $5M contract to save money, taking back a $4M center isn't going to help his payroll situation much.

Add it all up and it's yet another one of Eklund's doozies lacking any logic.
Not sure what Regher's contract length is, but if they took on Connolly it would only be for a year then he'd be off the books. Connolly and a prospect would get them out of trouble going into next year and help them down the road.

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The original comment was made about the application of the stat. There's a reason I quoted YOU instead of the original poster who commented about the trap with that.
OK. But do the sabres trap?

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07-09-2010, 10:12 PM
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OK. But do the sabres trap?
Yet again, totally irrelevant to my point. And yes, I'm anal about the mis-use of statistics. It comes from statements like "90% of statistics are lies" which is competely untrue. Statistics never lie. The people who use them do.


But if you must ask, I hesitate to use the word "trap" for a team that's protecting a lead.

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Roy+ for Regehr? It should be Roy for Regehr+.

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even if we could get Regehr for Connolly, i dont know if id do it...
unreal.

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unreal.
i dont care how good your backend is, you cant win anything with 1 top 6 center.

see Nashville

Id love to have Regehr. but you are being a fool if you think trading Connolly for Regehr and going into the season with one top 6 NHL center makes the Sabres a better team.

sometimes your vitriol blocks the flow of blood to your brain

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Not sure what Regher's contract length is, but if they took on Connolly it would only be for a year then he'd be off the books. Connolly and a prospect would get them out of trouble going into next year and help them down the road.
I was incorrect - I thought Regehr was at $5M but he's only due $4M for 3 more seasons so Connolly's contract, even for just a year, would actually represent a higher cost for the Flames.

Maybe if Langkow's neck injury ends up being career-ending or if he's forced into long-term IR, and Conroy retires, the Flames will need another center behind Stajan and Jokinen.

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Something is coming very soon.
Didn't you say that when the Zherdev rumors popped up?

Oh wait, they signed Niedermayer & Lalime.....

If there is something coming, it will be a smaller move and not a sizable add like Regehr in all likelihood.

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Which they aren't. He played LW pretty exclusively at camp this past week.

Regardless of this deal, which is lacking in logic, we need another Top 6 center.
Regier doesn't believe so.

He thinks he has two of the top 20 centers in the NHL right now.....

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i dont care how good your backend is, you cant win anything with 1 top 6 center.

see Nashville

Id love to have Regehr. but you are being a fool if you think trading Connolly for Regehr and going into the season with one top 6 NHL center makes the Sabres a better team.

sometimes your vitriol blocks the flow of blood to your brain
The Sabres only have 1 top-6 center as it stands now. Don't pretend that Connolly is somehow a difference-maker. You sound like Sabres' management; retaining an inconsequential player at the expense of the team simply because it's easier, cheaper, or more convenient. If you think you need another center after this deal, then get one.

You're better off letting this thread fade to the bottom of the page than trying to defend that nonsense.

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The Sabres only have 1 top-6 center as it stands now. Don't pretend that Connolly is somehow a difference-maker. You sound like Sabres' management; retaining an inconsequential player at the expense of the team simply because it's easier, cheaper, or more convenient. If you think you need another center after this deal, then get one.

You're better off letting this thread fade to the bottom of the page than trying to defend that nonsense.
i cant let the thread fade to the bottom, your statement is so absurd it needs a full day in the sun. despite monumental flaws and injury history... denying Connolly is a top 6 center is the ultimate hater remark...

led the team in scoring for over 3 months...

outscored Jeff Carter and Mike Richards... with better pt per game #s as well

his pt per game #'s were top 15 among NHL centers. even his +/- was top 10 among centers.

assists? 11th in the league among centers.

hating a player, their style, their lack of... whatever.... fine. we all get that.

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