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07-13-2010, 10:09 AM
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Nice idea, but Souray wasn't sent down, and won't go through re-entry waivers.
ahh i thought he was placed on waivers then brought back up un-claimed thus making him pass through re-entry. i dont think souray is worth 9million plus all the headaches associated with him, however, if he played 75 or more games he could be very useful manning the pp with streit.

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07-13-2010, 10:21 AM
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I think Tambellini wants something back for Souray, not just scraps. If the Isles put a second rounder in this deal, I'm sure Tambellini would think about it though.
I think Tambi has exhausted all possibilities of getting anything of value though, otherwise he wouldn't have waived Souray and sent the message he would lose him for no assets in return. Now he has two choices IMO - take a bad contract back in return that he can bury in the minors cheaper than what it would cost to keep Souray or demote him and have a team claim Souray on re-entry waivers and be stuck paying half Souray's salary. Witt is on his last year.

The actual cost of keeping Souray for the remaining 2 years of his contract is $9m.

The actual cost of letting Souray go on re-entry waivers for the remaining 2 years of his contract is $4.5m.

The actual cost of acquiring Witt is $2.5m for 1 year.


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07-13-2010, 11:22 AM
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If what the NTC is true that he can name 8 teams... he essentially can't be moved. Why would he want to leave a cup winner to go play for the isles... if he gets paid the same.

Campbells's 8 teams: Washington, Pittsburgh, Philly, NYR, Detroit, Vancouver, San Jose, Calgary.

No reasonible deal could ever be made with those teams.
You know this for a fact?

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07-13-2010, 11:23 AM
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The actual cost of keeping Souray for the remaining 2 years of his contract is $9m.

The actual cost of letting Souray go on re-entry waivers for the remaining 2 years of his contract is $4.5m.

The actual cost of acquiring Witt is $2.5m for 1 year.
Actually I think what would make sense is Witt + Gervais for Souray. Yeah, it's not fun for Edmonton.

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07-13-2010, 11:44 AM
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If what the NTC is true that he can name 8 teams... he essentially can't be moved. Why would he want to leave a cup winner to go play for the isles... if he gets paid the same.

Campbells's 8 teams: Washington, Pittsburgh, Philly, NYR, Detroit, Vancouver, San Jose, Calgary.

No reasonible deal could ever be made with those teams.
You said cup contender and at least 3 of teams are not cup contenders so .......whats your point

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07-13-2010, 11:50 AM
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If what the NTC is true that he can name 8 teams... he essentially can't be moved. Why would he want to leave a cup winner to go play for the isles... if he gets paid the same.

Campbells's 8 teams: Washington, Pittsburgh, Philly, NYR, Detroit, Vancouver, San Jose, Calgary.

No reasonible deal could ever be made with those teams.
Those 3 would not be happening

Campbell would only go East ,,, No western conference teams

When he chose the Hawks he did so because Chicago is not terribly far from Ontario/Northeast where he prefers to live

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As for my offer

Campbell + Beach for Dipietro

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07-13-2010, 12:07 PM
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You said cup contender and at least 3 of teams are not cup contenders so .......whats your point


My point is those teams dont have the cap space or contracts to make a deal for cambell. Please dont tell me that the the flames will trade iggy for campbell or something stupid like that.

Campbell would know that there are atleast 8 teams out there that under no reasonible circumstances, the team wouldnt trade for him. He just has to select a bunch of teams that could never make the trade, then bam; full no trade clause. If he doesnt want to be moved he doesnt have to is my point.

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Those 3 would not be happening

Campbell would only go East ,,, No western conference teams

When he chose the Hawks he did so because Chicago is not terribly far from Ontario/Northeast where he prefers to live


Your missing the point... i just selected teams that could not possibly make a logical/reasonible trade for him. If he want to stay a blawkhawk he pretty much can just by selecting 8 teams that can't trade for him.

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07-13-2010, 12:19 PM
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As for my offer

Campbell + Beach for Dipietro
In all honestly I don't do this deal. Call me crazy, but I've been a HUGE DP supporter all along. But at this point, I can't see the guy playing past this year. I see yet another injury riddled season, and after all the rehab this guy has been through to get his knees and hips back to where they need to be, he's probably mentally fried. I see him retiring, coming off the books completely, getting his insurance checks, then coming to work for the Islanders in the next 2 years or so.

Or hell, he may even be getting groomed as we speak to be the Asst. GM since Ryan Jankowskis contact wasn't renewed.

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Campbell + Beach for Dipietro
So the Hawks take on another unnecessarily long contract that will hurt them eventually?

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07-13-2010, 12:32 PM
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I would think Snow would deal sooner for Kevin Bieksa instead of Campbell.

Isles no doubt would take Sharp off the Hawks hands......but don't see Campbell at all.


With Streit, Hillen, Andy Mac, Eaton, Jurcina, Martinek, Gervais.....and De Haan and Hamonic knocking at the door why would the Isles cut off the air by dealing for Campbell?

now Kevin Bieksa....makes sense..... I like Campbell but not his contract...

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07-13-2010, 12:42 PM
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Nyi have a few RFA's which will be around 5 mil and few more pieces so it doesnt look like reaching the cap floor is an issue for them.

Besides NYI in a rebuild will keep space if the cap ever comes down and has lots of room for steals.

Campbell is a 4th dman(who is an excellent PMD) making elite money.


Campbell has value unlike a Redden who is on an equally bad contract.......and Chi is in a bind...dont think you receive anything worthwhile back and the pot has to be sweetened for a deal to go through.NYI dont have to make this deal.......Chi does or face other extreme choices.

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07-13-2010, 12:46 PM
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I would think Snow would deal sooner for Kevin Bieksa instead of Campbell.

Isles no doubt would take Sharp off the Hawks hands......but don't see Campbell at all.


With Streit, Hillen, Andy Mac, Eaton, Jurcina, Martinek, Gervais.....and De Haan and Hamonic knocking at the door why would the Isles cut off the air by dealing for Campbell?

now Kevin Bieksa....makes sense..... I like Campbell but not his contract...
You could pick up Bieksa 3.75 and still pick up another 3.3 mil dman for better term..so 2 dmen good length/affordibilty or a cement shoes of a contract for 1 dman

The bieksa and/or other makes more sense.

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The '8 team' NTC is stupid. If he doesn't want to be traded, he would just pick 8 teams that he knows would never trade for him.

EDIT: Boy, that was petulant.

I think the Islanders would trade for Campbell if they're deciding it's time to go for it, but I don't really think they've hit that point yet.

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I know full well that the Campbell contract is not cap friendly. But the Islanders MUST add salary.

A deal could be something like this...

To Chicago:
Brendan Witt
Bruno Gervais
David Toews
Isles 4th round pick in 2011

To Isles:
Brian Campbell
Christobol Huet

Toews plays with hid brother, Gervais gets a chance at a new direction. Witt gets a likely shot back in the NHL and can finish out his deal.

The Isles get a top 4 defenseman, and a reasonable back-up.
Cap floor is no longer an issue, and Huet's deal is only for two seasons. The defense will remain solid for the next 2 seasons with Campbell, Streit and Eaton, as De Haan and Hamonic filter in with Hillen and Andy MacDonald.

I KNOW…I know....a big cap hit and it makes little sense from a money stand point. But it does help the team on the ice, and with the cap.

It may not be popular, but I have been a supporter of bringing both players to Long Island.

Problem is—it wont happen.
The Islanders most likely won't be a team Campbell will go for with the NTC.

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07-13-2010, 01:30 PM
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Worth mentioning that the Islanders need a big contract to even get to the cap floor, that's with over 4 million given to yashin this season. Over the next couple years, the yashin buyout will come off the books. Tavares is tts only player they have right now who will get big money in the next two years.

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If the Rangers help keep the Isles on the Island, will you take Redden instead?


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ahh i thought he was placed on waivers then brought back up un-claimed thus making him pass through re-entry. i dont think souray is worth 9million plus all the headaches associated with him, however, if he played 75 or more games he could be very useful manning the pp with streit.
IMO, Isles should trade Witt for Souray.

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Worth mentioning that the Islanders need a big contract to even get to the cap floor, that's with over 4 million given to yashin this season. Over the next couple years, the yashin buyout will come off the books. Tavares is tts only player they have right now who will get big money in the next two years.
The Islanders will make the cap floor. not by much but they will. It just would be easier if we traded for a bigger contract. Between the remaining 3 RFA's and wieght and maybe another UFA signing, they will make the floor.


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If the Rangers help keep the Isles on the Island, will you take Redden instead?
There is a new plan coming out that will be a partnership with Wang, the Shinnicock Indians and the County to build a new Building/convention center/resort and casino.

http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2...nment-complex/

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i want to see this trade go down soooo badly. isles can throw in a 4th rounder too
i hope not, the last thing I want is to antagonize Streit and I'd have to think Snow wouldnt either

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I know full well that the Campbell contract is not cap friendly. But the Islanders MUST add salary.

A deal could be something like this...

To Chicago:
Brendan Witt
Bruno Gervais
David Toews
Isles 4th round pick in 2011

To Isles:
Brian Campbell
Christobol Huet

Toews plays with hid brother, Gervais gets a chance at a new direction. Witt gets a likely shot back in the NHL and can finish out his deal.

The Isles get a top 4 defenseman, and a reasonable back-up.
Cap floor is no longer an issue, and Huet's deal is only for two seasons. The defense will remain solid for the next 2 seasons with Campbell, Streit and Eaton, as De Haan and Hamonic filter in with Hillen and Andy MacDonald.

I KNOW…I know....a big cap hit and it makes little sense from a money stand point. But it does help the team on the ice, and with the cap.

It may not be popular, but I have been a supporter of bringing both players to Long Island.

Problem is—it wont happen.
The Islanders most likely won't be a team Campbell will go for with the NTC.
Hye, you can have Olsen and Beach for taking Campbell alone and youd do that deal ??????????????

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The Islanders will find a way to spend the money necessary to reach the floor without being fiscally irresponsible.

They'll not take on Campbell and Huet, much less give up something in the process, to do this.

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Campbell and Huet for Roloson and a late pick and/or lower tier prospect?
Why would you include Huet in that deal? Aren't you and Isles fan?

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Campbell + Beach for Dipietro
Sold.

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There is a new plan coming out that will be a partnership with Wang, the Shinnicock Indians and the County to build a new Building/convention center/resort and casino.

http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2...nment-complex/
On Long Island, there's always a new plan and it's always blocked by someone....

There was a new plan to build a state of the art power plant in Shoreham, there was a new plan to build a casino in Shinecock, there was a new plan to build a casino in Mastic. There was a new plan to build windmills in the ocean, now there's a new new plan to build windmills in the ocean. There's a new plan for Kings Park, there's a new plan for Pilgrim state, there's a new plan for the Grumman's property in Riverhead,....that was going to be a shopping mall, then there was a new plan to make it a NASCAR track, then there was a new plan to make it an amusement park, heck there was even a new plan to make it an airport for freight shipping to alleviate the demand at JFK and LaGuardia. There was a new plan to build a bridge from Nassau to CT.

...have I made my point or shall I keep going??? LI has a horrible history of "New Plans" that never happen.

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