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07-13-2010, 06:32 PM
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Campbell and Huet for Roloson and a late pick and/or lower tier prospect?
lol why would the Isles do the Hawks such a favor?

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07-13-2010, 09:30 PM
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Garth Snow gave an interview on ITV this weekend. He said that his plans were to acquire another top 4 defenseman.

If logic serves me right, and where there is smoke is fire phrase applies, it looks like the Isles and Hawks could make a deal involving Campbell.

Let's try to have an intelligent conversation on what a possible deal could look like. Although the Islanders are still a ways under the salary cap floor, I imagine that Snow will want compensation in the form of a top 6 forward and/or draft picks.


I'm glad to hear Snow's going to add another top 4.I doubt it's Campbell though.

With Okposo and Bailey due raises next summer,then Tavares due a raise in the summer of 2012,I can't see Snow adding Campbell and his 6 yr/$42m deal.

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On Long Island, there's always a new plan and it's always blocked by someone....

There was a new plan to build a state of the art power plant in Shoreham, there was a new plan to build a casino in Shinecock, there was a new plan to build a casino in Mastic. There was a new plan to build windmills in the ocean, now there's a new new plan to build windmills in the ocean. There's a new plan for Kings Park, there's a new plan for Pilgrim state, there's a new plan for the Grumman's property in Riverhead,....that was going to be a shopping mall, then there was a new plan to make it a NASCAR track, then there was a new plan to make it an amusement park, heck there was even a new plan to make it an airport for freight shipping to alleviate the demand at JFK and LaGuardia. There was a new plan to build a bridge from Nassau to CT.

...have I made my point or shall I keep going??? LI has a horrible history of "New Plans" that never happen.
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from a neutral perspective (calgary fan) 4 1st rounder seems quite a lot. also I have a feeling these presumably are of a more worth to Blackhawks than to the Isles (NYI needs to fill up on nhl ready or potential superstar prospects to build a core rather than those sort of high risk or role player prospects which seem to be available in the late 1st round). it would be better for both teams if chicago gave up 2-3 nhl ready players (Beach + Skille maybe Lalonde) with Campbell rather than sweetening the deal with picks.

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Isles think Nino,Petrov,Martin and Hamonic are close to being nhl ready.Maybe as soon as the 2010-2011 season.I'd rather see them adding their own prospects,while avoiding getting into the cap hell the hawks are in.

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Any truth to the rumours that the Islanders are kicking the tires on Brian Campbell?
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That would be a dream come true for Hawks fans, but I don't think there's any truth to it. Easy to see where this starts -- Chicago needs to dump salary and the Isles need to add some dollars just to get to the cap floor -- but it doesn't add up. Campbell is clearly a useful player and he'd make a great short-term acquisition. But dealing for him would only create a long-term headache for New York.

Campbell counts for $7.143 million against the cap (second-most among defenders) and he'll do it for the next six years. That's okay for this season, but what about next summer when the Isles have to re-sign franchise building blocks Kyle Okposo and Josh Bailey? And the summer after that, when John Tavares comes due? If GM Garth Snow has been paying attention, he's seen the havoc that Campbell's contract has caused in Chicago. Hard to imagine he'd ignore that lesson without significant sweeteners attached.

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07-13-2010, 10:10 PM
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As for my offer

Campbell + Beach for Dipietro
No thanks.I'm a huge DiPietro fan,but it's looking more and more likely that he's gonna end up retiring because of his injuries.Insurance and the isles will both end up paying part of his $49m deal.

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Garth Snow gave an interview on ITV this weekend. He said that his plans were to acquire another top 4 defenseman.

If logic serves me right, and where there is smoke is fire phrase applies, it looks like the Isles and Hawks could make a deal involving Campbell.

Let's try to have an intelligent conversation on what a possible deal could look like. Although the Islanders are still a ways under the salary cap floor, I imagine that Snow will want compensation in the form of a top 6 forward and/or draft picks.
TOP SIX FORWARD!!!!???? you must be high, chicago would be lucky if they took him for a 7th round pick, just his salary alone is such a burden for what he brings to the table, chicago is just trying to give him away at this point. and they still might have to send something back in return

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Why would you include Huet in that deal? Aren't you and Isles fan?
His screen name is RangerFan10.He doesn't sound like an isle fan.

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They are probably talking about Souray or Bieksa

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The Islanders will find a way to spend the money necessary to reach the floor without being fiscally irresponsible.
Thank you. Got to question the logic espoused elsewhere in this thread: team is under the cap floor...so take on lousy contract that is an albatross for the next six years! (Note: this is not a commentary on the player; strictly economic$.)

Guess the contracts of Goalie 2021 and the Russian Carcass (the gift that keeps on giving to NYI's capspace through 2014) isn't enough deadwood for some.

As someone else stated, this is not play money.

How about just a little bit of foresight? If this glorious team is as stacked a pipeline of young talent as the NYI summer interns want us to believe, would you not want to have the capspace flexibility available to make moves down the road, once the current core demonstrates it is worthy and capable of competing? Or is the preference to eat up cap space now with another huge, long-term albatross contract?

Campbell is a contributing player. But he is miscast as a top minutes eating dman. No coincidence that his team won once he no longer had that role and instead was slotted appropriately BEHIND Seabrooke and Keith. He will be miscast as a top dman on Long Island, alongside Streit.


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Garth Snow gave an interview on ITV this weekend. He said that his plans were to acquire another top 4 defenseman.

If logic serves me right, and where there is smoke is fire phrase applies, it looks like the Isles and Hawks could make a deal involving Campbell.

Let's try to have an intelligent conversation on what a possible deal could look like. Although the Islanders are still a ways under the salary cap floor, I imagine that Snow will want compensation in the form of a top 6 forward and/or draft picks.
I listened to the Snow ITV interview. Unless there were multiple interviews, he never once mentioned the term "top 4 defenseman". He did mention that if the Isles could improve their D via trade, he would look at and consider a move. Nothing more specific to that.

For those blasting the idea of the Hawks having to add significant prospects and/or picks to any deal involvoing Brian Campbell, you need to look deeper here.

A 7M dollar cap hit for a 2nd pairing Dman. FOR THE NEXT 6 YEARS!!!!!

The cap problem that Campbell adds to will only get considerably worse over time. Cap ceiling may/may not increase, but player salaries certainly will... likely at a greater pace.

Hawks will desparately attempt to make Campbell someone else's problem. Not going to happen for a few years IMHO as no GM wants that problem (regardless of the compensation) for 6 more years.

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I can't imagine Campbell's contract would really be a "burden" on the Islanders. They's barely hit the FLOOR with his deal. Any contracts due to Bailey, Okposo, Tavares...wouldn't take them anywhere NEAR the cap. Not only that, but even modest increases in the cap will only further diminish his impact on the overall cap.

The guy is clearly overpaid. That being said, the guy isn't useless. Not even close. He'll do best on a club that isn't loaded to the gills in salary. Truth is, until the Islanders get their **** together, they're not even a risk of having a REASON to spend to the cap.

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I can't imagine Campbell's contract would really be a "burden" on the Islanders. They's barely hit the FLOOR with his deal. Any contracts due to Bailey, Okposo, Tavares...wouldn't take them anywhere NEAR the cap. Not only that, but even modest increases in the cap will only further diminish his impact on the overall cap.

The guy is clearly overpaid. That being said, the guy isn't useless. Not even close. He'll do best on a club that isn't loaded to the gills in salary. Truth is, until the Islanders get their **** together, they're not even a risk of having a REASON to spend to the cap.
that may be true, but unless we get a major return there is no REASON to take on Campbell,

and that for me Starts with Beach and Olsen and a 1st


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To Phi: Campbell (7.14x6), Huet (5.6x2), 2011 1st, 2011 3rd

To Chi: Roloson (2.5x1), Witt (3.0x1)

Net cap difference = 7.24

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Out of curiosity, has anyone seen how the Capitals run their organization? Home grown: OV, Semin, Backstrom, Green, Fehr, Flaishmann, Alzner, Carlson, Neivurth, Varlamov. What did they do this off-season? Grab that big time Dman? No. Gave jobs to Alzner and Carlson full time. Sorry, but ill stick it out with the D we have this year and let DeHann and Hamonic step up to the plate when they're ready. I don't want your trash.

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To Phi: Campbell (7.14x6), Huet (5.6x2), 2011 1st, 2011 3rd

To Chi: Roloson (2.5x1), Witt (3.0x1)

Net cap difference = 7.24
not even close

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that may be true, but unless we get a major return there is no REASON to take on Campbell,

and that for me Starts with Beach and Olsen and a 1st
I think a lot of Hawk fans would call me crazy or stupid, but I'd throw in Beach, Olsen and a #1 to move Soupy. There's a lot at stake for the Hawks right now. The reason I would do it is the alternative is probably having to trade Sharp this offseason and very possibly Seabrook next offseason as well.

If the Hawks can move Campbell and as a result sign Seabrook longterm, I would be VERY comfortable with a Keith/Seabrook/Hjalmarsson top 3 for the next 4+ years. The Hawks have plenty of other prospects to fill the #4-6 defensemen roles over the next many years (Vishnevskiy, Lalonde, Leddy and a few promising defensemen that were drafted this year). Yes Olsen is our best D prospect, but considering this scenerio would leave the Hawks rock solid for the top 3, I think we could afford to give him up to save the cap.


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why would snow try and acquire campbell?
yes, NYI is under the salary ceiling and needs to take on salary, but why wouldn't they attempt in signing a few free agents defensive men (the likes of mottau, sutton, morrisonn) or trade for a more reasonable cap hit? personally, i would rather try and sign kovalchuk than campbell at 7 mill per.

already chicago has given up more than half a dozen of its cup winning team. i'm no pro scout, but i'm sure any possible campbell movements have not been overlooked, as if anything was possible, those players traded would still been wearing the 'hawks jerseys.

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why would snow try and acquire campbell?
yes, NYI is under the salary ceiling and needs to take on salary, but why wouldn't they attempt in signing a few free agents defensive men (the likes of mottau, sutton, morrisonn) or trade for a more reasonable cap hit? personally, i would rather try and sign kovalchuk than campbell at 7 mill per.

already chicago has given up more than half a dozen of its cup winning team. i'm no pro scout, but i'm sure any possible campbell movements have not been overlooked, as if anything was possible, those players traded would still been wearing the 'hawks jerseys.
It would give them the top 4 defensemen they want. Sure, Soupy is far from the ideal top 4 defensemen due to his contract, but at least with the trade I said I would do, you have 2 very good prospects and a #1 coming back with Campbell. Beach and Olsen are the Hawks top 2 prospects and it's not like the Hawks prospect pool is weak. Far from it.

The Islanders already have some nice prospects and adding 3 more makes it all the more likely their team will really take off within the next few years.

Also I don't think Soupy's bad contract would be the hinderance to the Islanders that it has been to the Hawks. While I certainly regret the day Dale Tallon signed Campbell... at the same time, I'm not sure anyone could have realistically expected that Keith, Kane and Toews would be getting these huge contracts this early on in the process.

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Also I don't think Soupy's bad contract would be the hinderance to the Islanders that it has been to the Hawks. While I certainly regret the day Dale Tallon signed Campbell... at the same time, I'm not sure anyone could have realistically expected that Keith, Kane and Toews would be getting these huge contracts this early on in the process.
Repeat: the cap has nothing to do with it, the cap has nothing to do with it, the cap has nothing to do with it.

The Islanders just won't spend that kind of money on one player unless it's going to achieve a specific end - either winning, or a lame attempt to draw attention in order to further a real estate project (i.e. the Kovalchuck rationale). It's not going to happen.

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Out of curiosity, has anyone seen how the Capitals run their organization? Home grown: OV, Semin, Backstrom, Green, Fehr, Flaishmann, Alzner, Carlson, Neivurth, Varlamov. What did they do this off-season? Grab that big time Dman? No. Gave jobs to Alzner and Carlson full time. Sorry, but ill stick it out with the D we have this year and let DeHann and Hamonic step up to the plate when they're ready. I don't want your trash.
this is truly the only way to completely rebuild post lockout in a salary cap world..

are you listening leaf and flames fans?

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this is truly the only way to completely rebuild post lockout in a salary cap world..

are you listening leaf and flames fans?
Which is exactly what you just ragged on the Hawks for doing.

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Which is exactly what you just ragged on the Hawks for doing.
Hm.. Maybe I missed it, but the Caps vet goalie was 3mil per season. And their biggest FA acquisition was Knuble at 2.2mil. I don't see any similarities.

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Perhaps, but the way I see it, they may not have a choice.

This year (and likely in the future), which teams can afford his cap hit?

There are teams with capspace, but once you eliminate the teams that are entering or in a period where they can't waste capspace (COL, LAK, ANA, etc.), the teams that have low internal budgets (TBL, NSH, PHX, etc,), and teams that have players due big raises (DAL), you get three teams:

New York Islanders
St. Louis Blues
Edmonton Oilers

Edmonton just tried to get rid of Souray, a cheaper player on a shorter contract. Don't think they will want to take Campbell. St. Louis has plenty of defensive depth and still has to sign Johnson.
Blues have an internal budget as their primary investor (70%) is pulling out of the ownership group and will keep us intact until Checketts can replace them.

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I think a lot of Hawk fans would call me crazy or stupid, but I'd throw in Beach, Olsen and a #1 to move Soupy. There's a lot at stake for the Hawks right now. The reason I would do it is the alternative is probably having to trade Sharp this offseason and very possibly Seabrook next offseason as well.
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what would you want in Return?

from the Isles I would want Streit + Nino


sorry but it would be stupid to trade that much to get rid of something we don't have to get rid.

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what would you want in Return?

from the Isles I would want Streit + Nino


sorry but it would be stupid to trade that much to get rid of something we don't have to get rid.
You do realize the Hawks have at least 5 players to sign and only have $113,000 in cap space, right?

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