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07-26-2010, 11:26 AM
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Turning around Goal Differential

Great article over at the NHL Fanhouse
http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/07/26/g...teams-must-do/

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Of the 160 playoff teams since the 1999-00 season, only 12 have finished the regular season with a negative differential, and only three have been worse than minus-10. The magic number over that time period to get into the playoffs has been right around plus-20. Of the 102 teams that have finished with such a mark, 100 of them (98 percent) have qualified for the postseason.
The Jackets finished last season -43.

We've tried the defensive minded system, and are now moving to a more open free-wheeling system, but seeing that -43 scares me. Is the team going to be able to increase by 63 to overcome that?

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If you're a Thrashers, Hurricanes, Wild, Panthers, Islanders, Lightning or Blue Jackets fan, you can probably find some optimism from the fact we saw some incredible one-year turnarounds this season, including the Avalanche (plus-69), Coyotes (plus-67) and Los Angeles (plus-49). In other words: it can be done. Even if it is a long shot.
Solving that big of a deficit is bigger than signing one #1 center, or one #1 D-man. What do you think the Jackets need to do to overcome this difference?

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07-26-2010, 11:32 AM
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Solving that big of a deficit is bigger than signing one #1 center, or one #1 D-man.
Are you sure about that? Trickle down affect and getting players into their natural role can play great dividends.

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What do you think the Jackets need to do to overcome this difference?
The players need to dig in and support each other.

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07-26-2010, 11:39 AM
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The players need to dig in and support each other.
For a start a little "Fire in the Belly".

And that's the first thing I see coming from the coaching staff.

See Hinote.....

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For a start a little "Fire in the Belly".

And that's the first thing I see coming from the coaching staff.

See Hinote.....
Hinote was an interesting hire. Coaching staff might be able to help with the younger crowd, as the veterans didn't seem to lead last year. But at the end of the day it has to come from the players. If the player leadership is still lacking, it will continue to show on the ice.

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Actually not sure where the -43 comes from. According to NHL.com's Goals For and Goals Against

Year GF Rank GA Rank Goal Dif
2009-2010 214 20 249 24 -35
2008-2009 220 21 223 9 -3
2007-2008 190 29 210 8 -20
2006-2007 196 28 244 16 -48
2005-2006 216 28 276 26 -60
2003-2004 177 29 238 24 -61
2002-2003 213 16 263 29 -50
2001-2002 164 30 255 28 -91
2000-2001 190 26 233 19 -43
Average 197.7 25.2 243.4 20.3 -45.6

Man those numbers are frightening.

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07-26-2010, 11:59 AM
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Don't know where you got that graph from but we were -43 last year. 216/259.

Maybe it has something to do with SO goals.

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We certainly don't have to score 43 more goals, we just have to let in 20-30 less (can be done because Mason should be better) and score Maybe 20-30 more (can be done because our young guys should be better). I like our chances that everything can't go wrong again.

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Don't know where you got that graph from but we were -43 last year. 216/259.

Maybe it has something to do with SO goals.
NHL.com.

Goals for http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...wName=goalsFor Total 214

Goals against http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...e=goalsAgainst Total 249

no it does not include Shootout goals.

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We certainly don't have to score 43 more goals, we just have to let in 20-30 less (can be done because Mason should be better) and score Maybe 20-30 more (can be done because our young guys should be better). I like our chances that everything can't go wrong again.
Bingo!

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Man those numbers are frightening.
We're focused on the blueline and on Mason's play, but the stat that smacks you in the face is the historic lack of offense.

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For me it's all about puck possession. I'm hoping that the idea of a more "uptempo" game actually translates into "puck control", which usually starts from the backend. Getting the puck out of our zone quicker and using our defensemen in the attacking zone to hold the puck in goes a long way in terms of time of possession. It seems natural to me that the team that has the puck on their stick the most is going to have more chances then the team they are up against.

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NHL.com.

Goals for http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...wName=goalsFor Total 214

Goals against http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...e=goalsAgainst Total 249

no it does not include Shootout goals.
Yeah, I think it's SO goals. I was noticing that last year. If you look there is no column for SO goal. Then again you might be conceding that.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/standings
http://tsn.ca/nhl/standings/

Notice they both show 216/259. We were probably 2-10 in SO's last year.

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We're focused on the blueline and on Mason's play, but the stat that smacks you in the face is the historic lack of offense.
Yep, never once in the history of the team have we been in the top half of the league in goals scored.

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For me it's all about puck possession. I'm hoping that the idea of a more "uptempo" game actually translates into "puck control", which usually starts from the backend. Getting the puck out of our zone quicker and using our defensemen in the attacking zone to hold the puck in goes a long way in terms of time of possession. It seems natural to me that the team that has the puck on their stick the most is going to have more chances then the team they are up against.
Agreed. The last coach promoted Checking as a way of generating offense.

Arniel's quote on the subject "If you don't have the puck, get it back"

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We were probably 2-10 in SO's last year.
That's scary in itself, and explains why we lost so many games in overtime.

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Agreed. The last coach promoted Checking as a way of generating offense.

Arniel's quote on the subject "If you don't have the puck, get it back"
Meh. Every coach preaches getting the puck back. It's just how aggressively you go about doing it. Checking is one of the primary methods of getting puck possession, thus creating transition.

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That's scary in itself, and explains why we lost so many games in overtime.
True enough. One of the moves that Howson didn't do that would have helped. Jussie Jokinen. I bemoaned it at the time, now the jerk is a 30 goal scorer. One of the reason(s) I would like to smack Howson around a little. The other. Bryzgalov.

You just had to remind me didn't you? My skin is turning green....

But this isn't another beat up on Howson thread.

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I think with a more offense-minded coach, the goals will happen. We saw what having a defense-minded coach brings, and the players didn't like playing that way anyway. So hopefully Arniel's program will catch on and the team will score a lot more goals. The last couple of years, it has seemed like the Jackets had much more offensive talent than they showed.

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I think with a more offense-minded coach, the goals will happen. We saw what having a defense-minded coach brings, and the players didn't like playing that way anyway. So hopefully Arniel's program will catch on and the team will score a lot more goals. The last couple of years, it has seemed like the Jackets had much more offensive talent than they showed.
Anything more to add then "Hitch was a defensive coach, therefore the players must have hated his dumb task-master ass?"

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I'm sorry, should I PM you my posts first to make sure you agree with them before posting?

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Just asking if you have anything to add other then the party line.

I don't think Skraut posted this thread for another Arniel = offensive Hitch = defensive discussion.

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Sorry, but it is the obvious assumption at present. If they don't score more goals this year, then the problem is more deep-seeded than we could imagine. Maybe the arena is built on an ancient Native burial ground?

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Just asking if you have anything to add other then the party line.

I don't think Skraut posted this thread for another Arniel = offensive Hitch = defensive discussion.
It's open for whatever. I was pretty shocked by the numbers, and what was curious what people thought the fix was.

I think it's more than just a player or two, because as the numbers show, the entire history of the team, the goal differential has been negative, yet look how many players we've swapped in/out.

It seems the core of the problem is much deeper. I only hope cleaning the coaching staff is enough.

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It seems the core of the problem is much deeper. I only hope cleaning the coaching staff is enough.
Enough? That will depend on the players.

What is interesting is that we were on a steady 4 year improvement until last year. The first two months were continued improvement and then we ran into a 10 game stretch were we couldn't score more then a goal or two per game.

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Enough? That will depend on the players.

What is interesting is that we were on a steady 4 year improvement until last year. The first two months were continued improvement and then we ran into a 10 game stretch were we couldn't score more then a goal or two per game.
Hey, wow, yeah, there was! And folks wonder why I think there's reasons for optimism.

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