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07-14-2010, 11:16 PM
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I thought Stralman rejected the offer today?

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I thought Stralman rejected the offer today?
The date is the 26th of July Cougar.....oh, 20,000 is my goal...

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Welcome to the new NHL, where people pay for potential. It's not like we're handing him a lifetime contract.
Ask the Oilers how that works out when you hand a bunch of guys contracts just on potential and only a couple pan out.

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Power play point. As in point shot. Remember those? Remember how well we did without one?
Would you like to change your reasoning again?

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"I watched John Moore as an underage player and I knew he was a must see player for this year; he hasn’t disappointed me one bit. His first two strides are like Paul Coffey and he has been labeled as a world-class skater. He is poised with the puck, he gets his shots through to the net and he has gotten a lot stronger this season.
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I've seen the Blue Jackets play. I haven't seen a puck-moving defenseman like John Moore or somebody on defense who can shoot the puck like he can, not in Columbus.
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Has a quick and accurate release from the backend. Likes to shoot and prefers to slide into the high slot and pull the trigger.

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07-15-2010, 12:54 AM
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The date is the 26th of July Cougar.....oh, 20,000 is my goal...
Yes, dear, I am aware of the date, but thanks for the whisper in my ear. I am pretty sure there was a Twitter post about it today. Tweet, if you will. Let me check...

Per the Coulmbus Blue Jackets Twitter: "Stralman not close to new deal." I don't think it's going well.

Cougar advice: take the 2 mil and feel the Union Blue love...OR we will remove the offer.

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07-15-2010, 12:58 AM
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Ask the Oilers how that works out when you hand a bunch of guys contracts just on potential and only a couple pan out.



Would you like to change your reasoning again?


--NHL Central Scouting’s Jack Barzee


--McKeen's Hockey scouting coordinator Gus Katsaros

Hey, what did Hockey's Future have to say?
Capn, did you just scold Viqsi on handing out contracts based upon potential...but then turn around and preach the value of Moore, based upon potential?

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07-15-2010, 01:01 AM
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Ask the Oilers how that works out when you hand a bunch of guys contracts just on potential and only a couple pan out.
How many of those problematic Oilers contracts lasted six years or more? Now how many of our contracts have been anywhere near that long? How long, maximum, would Stralman's contract be?

EDIT: Scratch the "or more". I'd forgotten Horcoff's was an early extension and thought it was more than 6 years.

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Would you like to change your reasoning again?


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--McKeen's Hockey scouting coordinator Gus Katsaros

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"Get into high slot" sounds to me like a wrister. I thought we wanted someone with a halfway decent slapshot. If he's got one of those, then
1) somehow it hasn't been mentioned before ('cause I'd looked before), and
2) all the more reason to have him develop properly, rather than throwing him to the wolves.

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Cougar advice: take the 2 mil and feel the Union Blue love...OR we will remove the offer.
That's correct.... if the CBJ are as broke as some say 2 million for a PP QB is all we can afford. The dude stinks on defense and I don't care what anyone says.

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07-15-2010, 01:17 AM
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That's correct.... if the CBJ are as broke as some say 2 million for a PP QB is all we can afford. The dude stinks on defense and I don't care what anyone says.
I ain't sold on him either but that is based upon the season from hell performance we got last year so I'm open for impression. He is a tad too vanilla for me, though. You can take vanilla and jazz it up with other toppings but by itself...nuthin.

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Anyone consider maybe Stralman wants OUT ??? If Howson loses arbitration Antoine can walk and I believe we get compensated.
1)Like Robert said, we won't get compensation. I think Howson has a week to decide to accept or reject the offer. I am not sure if Howson can trade Stralman before he decides or not.

2)Why would Stralman want out? We are lacking a PP specialist and he is one of our best PP specialist that we have sadly. He didn't get a shot in Toronto and Calgary. If he wants to establish himself as a legit NHL player, being in Columbus is the best opportunity for him to do that in my opinion.

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Just hope Stralman goes easy on his best man. Anybody remember this? http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...ushes+to+altar

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Leafs fan here. I always wondered, with his size, speed, reach and complete lack of defensive awareness, why we never gave him a try on the wing.

Though I can admit having him now would make the impending Kaberle trade that's been three years in the making more palatable.

I'd give him 2 years at 2. That's a very fair rate for 40 points and no D.

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"Get into high slot" sounds to me like a wrister. I thought we wanted someone with a halfway decent slapshot. If he's got one of those, then
1) somehow it hasn't been mentioned before ('cause I'd looked before), and
2) all the more reason to have him develop properly, rather than throwing him to the wolves.
Moore has a killer slapshot. Won the CHL skills competition's hardest slapshot event with a shot that was like 98 mph.

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Moore has a killer slapshot. Won the CHL skills competition's hardest slapshot event with a shot that was like 98 mph.
Yeah, when I was reading this thread I was wondering why people were questioning his shot. He displayed an above average slap shot last camp. Better then anything we had (have). Plus he was pretty good on the one timer. Stralman is the best we have on D with the one timer and he's still not spectacular.

Puck moving, he already displayed in camp he's the best puck mover we have on the team. Even better then Stralman.

Moore already has all the offensive tools to be a NHL player. They are superior to what we have by anyone on the team now. He's not as mobile as Russ, but really how many are?

The question is what's he going to do in his own zone over the course of a season and what his decision making will be with the speed of the game at the NHL level.

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Capn, did you just scold Viqsi on handing out contracts based upon potential...but then turn around and preach the value of Moore, based upon potential?
Moore is already on a contract...and it don't pay $2 million. See the difference?

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How many of those problematic Oilers contracts lasted six years or more? Now how many of our contracts have been anywhere near that long? How long, maximum, would Stralman's contract be?

EDIT: Scratch the "or more". I'd forgotten Horcoff's was an early extension and thought it was more than 6 years.
So now six years is a magical number? Look at Klesla's contract and Brassard's. If Rusty continues to be injury prone and Brassard doesn't improve under the new system, 6 years or not, I think we'll be kicking ourselves over the length of those contracts. I can think of a certain 5 year deal that we're kicking ourselves over right now--Mike Commodore.

As for Stralman, with the number of guys we already have signed past this year and the number of guys in the minors who will be looking to move up, I'm hoping that he and his agent opt for the one year option in arbitration.

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"Get into high slot" sounds to me like a wrister. I thought we wanted someone with a halfway decent slapshot. If he's got one of those, then
1) somehow it hasn't been mentioned before ('cause I'd looked before), and
2) all the more reason to have him develop properly, rather than throwing him to the wolves.
Well, looks like its been mentioned now...

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Moore has a killer slapshot. Won the CHL skills competition's hardest slapshot event with a shot that was like 98 mph.


How is giving a kid third pairing minutes "throwing him to the wolves"?

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07-16-2010, 01:08 PM
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imo, anything over $2mil..... don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

I would like to know of his 28 assists, how many of those were 1st or 2nd assists???

if he has a ton of 2nds, he's worth even less, imo.

anyone know how the assist points for him break down???

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This helps to show that Howson wasted on Boll money he may need later.


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This helps to show that Howson wasted money he may need later on Boll.
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Ohhhhh, sorry, SL, I did not know you were reading this thread. (insert smiley).

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Oh you're the same guy?? cntrl/alt/F4

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And you also are apparently the same !!!!

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And my fever's down. Thanks for asking. You know 750 is a fair price, given any Dman acceptable to this crowd would cost 2M+. Of course we all know this a small fishbowl dollar-wise.

All things considered Stahlman to me seems like a reasonable gamble at 2. To rely on this O to invest large on a proven entity (Souray at half money?) is a longshot. It's best we channel our energy hoping Moore is the answer, at least eventually.

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So now six years is a magical number? Look at Klesla's contract and Brassard's. If Rusty continues to be injury prone and Brassard doesn't improve under the new system, 6 years or not, I think we'll be kicking ourselves over the length of those contracts. I can think of a certain 5 year deal that we're kicking ourselves over right now--Mike Commodore.
I see no problem with Brassard's - even if he only turns out to be a halfway decent second line center, that's an OK contract. I sincerely believe that this season is a major aberration.

As for Rusty's... weren't you the one advocating the joys of insured LTIR contracts when we were discussing trading for Savard?

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As for Stralman, with the number of guys we already have signed past this year and the number of guys in the minors who will be looking to move up, I'm hoping that he and his agent opt for the one year option in arbitration.
I'd rather he opt for two years and less money overall, such that he can be insurance if folks aren't ready in that time and tradable if they are. But, hey, different folks.

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How is giving a kid third pairing minutes "throwing him to the wolves"?
Ask Rusty Klesla and his failed development.

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Ask Rusty Klesla and his failed development.
In fairness to the CBJ, it's kinda hard for a kid to develop when he doesn't play half the games.

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In fairness to the CBJ, it's kinda hard for a kid to develop when he doesn't play half the games.
True, but he should have spent more time in the minors. He was expected to take on way too much way too soon and that hurt his development in a big way.

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True, but he should have spent more time in the minors. He was expected to take on way too much way too soon and that hurt his development in a big way.
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