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07-14-2010, 03:10 PM
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That's not the reason, I see him as being consistent is his inconsistency. Plays well for a while, plays poorly for long periods of time, then picks it up some at the end. I am truly hoping that the change he experienced this past season carries forward, if not he could lose his job mid-season to a more consistent player.
this, you're absolutely right. I'm hoping Shattenkirk can really make him trade bait at the deadline.

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07-14-2010, 03:15 PM
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this, you're absolutely right. I'm hoping Shattenkirk can really make him trade bait at the deadline.
He's been trade bait ever since he singed his 4 year deal. Why do you think all of the sudden he'll be moved? Nobody has wanted him up to this point.

The only time JML will be dealt is at the 2012 deadline. We all know that deep down, so lets just see what he can bring for the next ~2 seasons, and hope he can regain his form for us.

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07-14-2010, 03:35 PM
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He's been trade bait ever since he singed his 4 year deal. Why do you think all of the sudden he'll be moved? Nobody has wanted him up to this point.

The only time JML will be dealt is at the 2012 deadline. We all know that deep down, so lets just see what he can bring for the next ~2 seasons, and hope he can regain his form for us.
How do you know he's been trade bait for the last 2 season? I'm sure there were times, but I don't think they were ever at a time that made sense. I think his value is actually pretty decent right now. He finished strong, and there's a lot of teams needing PMD/PPQB guys. I could definitely see him being moved now or at the deadline this year.

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07-14-2010, 04:57 PM
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Screw the original proposal, bad idea. Would any Avs fans do:

To Boston:
COL 4th Round Pick

To COL
Ryder

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07-14-2010, 05:06 PM
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No. Colorado has zero need for Ryder.

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07-14-2010, 05:11 PM
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Screw the original proposal, bad idea. Would any Avs fans do:

To Boston:
COL 4th Round Pick

To COL
Ryder
We don't need Ryder. You're better off finding a match elsewhere.

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07-14-2010, 05:37 PM
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Screw the original proposal, bad idea. Would any Avs fans do:

To Boston:
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Ryder
No dude. The only way someone* will take Ryder is if you pay them.

* definition may or may not include Thrashers GM

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07-14-2010, 10:22 PM
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Screw the original proposal, bad idea. Would any Avs fans do:

To Boston:
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To COL
Ryder

I sure would. A 30 goal guy when on for a 4th. I mean put him with Stastny and he could hit 35(maybe). He has had 4 really good years and 2 really bad ones. Try him out what is there to lose? If it works out we have a 30 goal guy if not he has 1 year left on his contract.

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07-14-2010, 10:47 PM
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I sure would. A 30 goal guy when on for a 4th. I mean put him with Stastny and he could hit 35(maybe). He has had 4 really good years and 2 really bad ones. Try him out what is there to lose? If it works out we have a 30 goal guy if not he has 1 year left on his contract.
Marek Svatos called, he says hi.

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07-14-2010, 11:07 PM
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I sure would. A 30 goal guy when on for a 4th. I mean put him with Stastny and he could hit 35(maybe). He has had 4 really good years and 2 really bad ones. Try him out what is there to lose? If it works out we have a 30 goal guy if not he has 1 year left on his contract.
there's no way i want to see ryder bringing stastny down in his inconsitent play,specially if stastny is taking the night off offensively.

chris stewart and david jones are more more viable options.

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07-15-2010, 12:23 AM
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Marek Svatos called, he says hi.
He also said call an ambulance for me cuz I dislocated my shoulder while dialing the phone.

The Avs are sticking with a strategy of building from within. I doubt we'll see any vets brought in through UFA or trade to play prominent roles for at least 2 years. After the next two seasons where they evaluate how good the kids really are we'll see some trades or signings to fill holes. Until then no dice on high salaried vets.

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07-15-2010, 10:32 AM
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Marek Svatos called, he says hi.
Svatos hit 30 goals once. Ryder has hit it twice and 25 goals four times. It's not like I'm dying to get him or anything but for just a 4th I would say it's a worth the gamble.

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07-15-2010, 10:44 AM
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Svatos hit 30 goals once. Ryder has hit it twice and 25 goals four times. It's not like I'm dying to get him or anything but for just a 4th I would say it's a worth the gamble.
Ryder also makes twice what Svatos did for the the same rate of inconsistency. No. Way.

Ryder has negative value.

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07-16-2010, 07:05 AM
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Ryder also makes twice what Svatos did for the the same rate of inconsistency. No. Way.

Ryder has negative value.
Not saying I want Ryder, but when you're sitting at the Cap floor, and talking about a one-year contract, it really doesn't mean squat whether Ryder makes twice what Svatos did.

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07-16-2010, 07:40 AM
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Not saying I want Ryder, but when you're sitting at the Cap floor, and talking about a one-year contract, it really doesn't mean squat whether Ryder makes twice what Svatos did.
It may not mean much to us fans however, to management that's a **** load you're paying for someone that'll probably be scratched half the season.

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07-16-2010, 07:55 AM
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It may not mean much to us fans however, to management that's a **** load you're paying for someone that'll probably be scratched half the season.
LOL, you're bringing logic in to debate my blathering?!??

FAIL!

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The only reason to get rid of Liles in a trade right now (unless we get a great deal, which we won't) is if Sacco has no faith in him. I'd rather sell him cheaply than having him benched for no apparent reason (like the second benching last season).

This is the same reason I wanted Budaj traded. Not because I think he is a bad player but simply because if the coach is afraid to use him, he is not functioning very well as a backup.

I think Liles played well towards the end of the season and was fine in the playoffs. I wouldn't be in a rush to ship him off for 'assets' such as Ference and Ryder.

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07-18-2010, 01:32 PM
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Screw the original proposal, bad idea. Would any Avs fans do:

To Boston:
COL 4th Round Pick

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Ryder
It's fair value.....That's an accomplishment in itself on these boards.

But I'd rather have other players than Ryder. Not bad though. People hated the Mueller trade when it first happened and now they claim he's untradeable So I wouldn't take it personal...

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07-18-2010, 09:49 PM
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The only reason to get rid of Liles in a trade right now (unless we get a great deal, which we won't) is if Sacco has no faith in him.
That's not the only reason, though it's a valid one.

There are other reasons to move Liles:

1) He's not worth his salary.

2) The Avs are better off opening up that roster spot for a young player with similar skills (the Avs have several of these).

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That's not the only reason, though it's a valid one.

There are other reasons to move Liles:

1) He's not worth his salary.

2) The Avs are better off opening up that roster spot for a young player with similar skills (the Avs have several of these).

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Why are we better off doing that, instead of letting these kids get some development time in the minors?

I mean other than Holos and Shatty have any of these guys played pro hockey? Even Shatty only had a handful of games last year.

Give them some time to hone their games down in the minors for a little bit. Why rush it when you don't have too?

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Why are we better off doing that, instead of letting these kids get some development time in the minors?
I'm not saying the Avs are better off trading Liles and moving the guys up. I was just making the point that there is potentially more than one good reason to move Liles.

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07-18-2010, 10:26 PM
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Why are we better off doing that, instead of letting these kids get some development time in the minors?

I mean other than Holos and Shatty have any of these guys played pro hockey? Even Shatty only had a handful of games last year.

Give them some time to hone their games down in the minors for a little bit. Why rush it when you don't have too?
Cohen played the same number of games Shattenkirk did.

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Your not alone I still want Liles here(at least for now).

Good proposal but I wouldn't make the trade if I were Sherman.
Me too, he really saved face this year and stepped up during a few key moments. Still not where we thought he'd be when he got that contract, but a step in the right direction.

Besides, him and Mueller on the point for the PP worked pretty nicely. Hate to give that up so quickly

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